IRC log of xmlsec on 2008-06-03
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-xmlsec-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
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- ok, trackbot-ng; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 23 minutes
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- Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 03 June 2008
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- zakim, who is here?
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- T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has not yet started, fjh
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- On IRC I see fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng
- 12:45:01 [jwray]
- jwray has joined #xmlsec
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- Chair: Frederick Hirsch
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- trackbot-ng, start telcon
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
- 12:47:39 [Zakim]
- ok, trackbot-ng; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
- 12:47:40 [trackbot-ng]
- Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference
- 12:47:40 [trackbot-ng]
- Date: 03 June 2008
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- Chair: Frederick Hirsch
- 12:48:55 [Zakim]
- T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started
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- Regrets: Juan Carlos Cruellas, Rob Miller
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- +jwray
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- Scribe: John Wray
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- Yes, I'm ready.
- 12:52:53 [jcc]
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- Frederic, I do not know if the emails that I sent to you and thomas on the meeting in Barcelona have arrived: I have been told that our mail server is experiencing problems for sending emails....
- 12:53:53 [tlr]
- jcc, they have arrived
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/Group/barcelona.html
- 12:54:26 [jcc]
- OK... I forgot to look at the archive... sorry...thanks..see you
- 12:54:40 [tlr]
- sure
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- yep
- 12:55:39 [sean]
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- zakim, what is the code?
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- the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), fjh
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- +Frederick_Hirsch
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- zakim, who is here?
- 12:58:28 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see jwray, Frederick_Hirsch
- 12:58:29 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see sean, jcc, jwray, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng
- 12:58:55 [shivaram]
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- + +1.408.907.aaaa
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- zakim, aaaa is shivaram
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- +shivaram; got it
- 12:59:39 [pdatta]
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- +sean
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- zakim, call thomas-781
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- ok, tlr; the call is being made
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- +Thomas
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- +Ed_Simon
- 13:00:20 [shivaram]
- zakim, mute me
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- shivaram should now be muted
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- +James_Nurthen
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- zakim, James_Nurthen is Pratik
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- +Pratik; got it
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- zakim, who is here?
- 13:01:50 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see jwray, Frederick_Hirsch, shivaram (muted), sean, Thomas, Ed_Simon, Pratik
- 13:01:52 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see EdS, pdatta, shivaram, sean, jcc, jwray, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng
- 13:03:35 [fjh]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0001.html
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- Topic: Administrative
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- zakim, who is here?
- 13:04:47 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see jwray, Frederick_Hirsch, shivaram (muted), sean, Thomas, Ed_Simon, Pratik
- 13:04:50 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see klanz2, EdS, pdatta, shivaram, sean, jcc, jwray, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng
- 13:05:57 [Zakim]
- + +1.781.904.aabb
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- zakim, aabb is klanz2
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- +klanz2; got it
- 13:06:17 [jwray]
- fjh: Next meeting June 17th, Bruce to scribe.
- 13:06:37 [jwray]
- TOPIC: Minutes from 2008-05-20
- 13:06:48 [fjh]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/05/20-xmlsec-minutes.html
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- +Hal
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- RESOLUTION: Minutes approved
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- TOPIC: Upcoming XML Security WG
- 13:07:53 [fjh]
- instructions for joining http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/42458/instructions
- 13:07:55 [jwray]
- fjh: Register for F2F RSN, instructions in agenda.
- 13:08:21 [fjh]
- F2F for next WG planned. 16-17 July, Barcelona.
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- logistics http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/Group/barcelona.html
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- Technical Plenary / Advisory Committee Meetings Week, 20 - 24 October 2008
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- XML Security scheduled Monday 20 October - Tuesday 21 October.
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- Schedule: http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Schedule
- 13:10:22 [jwray]
- TOPIC: XML Signature, Syntax and Processing (Second Edition) Proposed Edited Recommendation
- 13:11:34 [tlr]
- q+
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- +1
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- ... to keep this slot
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- q+
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- ack tlr
- 13:12:54 [klanz2]
- q-
- 13:13:25 [PHB2]
- zakim, code?
- 13:13:25 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), PHB2
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- +PHB
- 13:13:35 [jwray]
- tlr: Charter for current WG expires June30
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- +deastlak
- 13:15:18 [klanz2]
- I'm fine
- 13:15:25 [shivaram]
- I am ok
- 13:15:40 [jwray]
- RESOLUTION: Additional call next week
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- 13:16:35 [klanz2]
- I should be signed up already, tlr can you confirm that?
- 13:16:44 [tlr]
- klanz2, yep
- 13:16:53 [fjh]
- q?
- 13:17:02 [jwray]
- TOPIC: XML Signature, Syntax and Processing (Second Edition) Proposed Edited Recommendation
- 13:18:23 [tlr]
- we can carry on the best practices into the new group, no problem with that
- 13:18:36 [jwray]
- fjh: Deliverables completed, Best Practices still in-progress
- 13:18:56 [klanz2]
- whirlpool?
- 13:19:52 [klanz2]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Mar/0002.html
- 13:20:04 [fjh]
- Topic: Signature Second Edition RFC
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- q+
- 13:20:37 [fjh]
- ietf internet draft produced and posted by Donald, then WG can review
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- ack tlr
- 13:20:54 [klanz2]
- q+
- 13:22:12 [fjh]
- ack klanz
- 13:22:16 [jwray]
- Donald will send draft ID to list prior to publication for short mail review. by WG.
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- s/mail/email/
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- ID)
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- s/ID/Internet Draft/
- 13:24:05 [jwray]
- TOPIC: Relax NG Schema Update
- 13:24:35 [fjh]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008May/0033.html
- 13:25:11 [fjh]
- Object can have mixed content
- 13:25:21 [fjh]
- the optional KeyInfo doesn't seem to actually work
- 13:26:08 [fjh]
- I have contacted Norm Walsh with this additional information
- 13:26:35 [jwray]
- TOPIC: Best Practices
- 13:27:49 [klanz2]
- JCC seems to be on the chat however
- 13:28:28 [fjh]
- sean: organize by audience
- 13:28:58 [jwray]
- Organize by 3 audiences: Implementors, validators, Signers
- 13:30:00 [fjh]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008May/0038.html
- 13:31:10 [fjh]
- implementors implies security library, validators and signers refers to application level
- 13:32:32 [fjh]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008May/0036.html
- 13:33:22 [fjh]
- pratik comment http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008May/0037.html
- 13:33:39 [fjh]
- sean - we should say why we give advice in addition to advice
- 13:34:07 [fjh]
- ... issues less serious if validate sig first, give earlier in doc that advice
- 13:34:51 [Zakim]
- -klanz2
- 13:35:20 [fjh]
- pratik: implementers first, order of operations first, most important
- 13:37:16 [jwray]
- ACTION: pratik to update doc
- 13:37:16 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-162 - Update doc [on Pratik Datta - due 2008-06-10].
- 13:38:31 [jwray]
- ...based on changes in email conversation
- 13:39:37 [jwray]
- RESOLUTION: BP doc should be re-organized baed on email discussion; Pratik to edit doc.
- 13:39:46 [Zakim]
- +??P0
- 13:39:48 [jwray]
- s/baed/based/
- 13:40:08 [fjh]
- zakim, p0 is klanz
- 13:40:08 [Zakim]
- sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'p0'
- 13:40:13 [klanz2]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:40:13 [Zakim]
- sorry, klanz2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
- 13:40:20 [tlr]
- zakim, ??P0 is klanz2
- 13:40:20 [Zakim]
- +klanz2; got it
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- zakim, mute klanz2
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- klanz2 should now be muted
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- not yet ...
- 13:42:09 [fjh]
- Discussion of whether denial of service tests were in fact effective denial of service - not clear yet to others.
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- discussion re see what you sign...
- 13:42:53 [fjh]
- some implementations cache what is signed, and can then compare...
- 13:43:04 [fjh]
- sean - ability to re-digest input
- 13:43:21 [klanz2]
- q+
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- ack klanz
- 13:44:54 [fjh]
- pratik message http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0004.html
- 13:45:24 [klanz2]
- zakim, mute me
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- klanz2 should now be muted
- 13:45:35 [klanz2]
- I redail
- 13:45:40 [fjh]
- zakim, who is making noise?
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- -klanz2
- 13:45:51 [Zakim]
- fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jwray (14%), Frederick_Hirsch (23%), sean (13%), deastlak (60%)
- 13:46:13 [fjh]
- zakim, mute deastlak
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- deastlak should now be muted
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- + +1.857.362.aacc
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- - +1.857.362.aacc
- 13:46:40 [Zakim]
- +??P0
- 13:46:53 [fjh]
- zakim, p0 is klanz
- 13:46:53 [Zakim]
- sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'p0'
- 13:47:06 [fjh]
- zakim ??P0 is klanz
- 13:47:18 [fjh]
- zakim, ??P0 is klan
- 13:47:18 [Zakim]
- +klan; got it
- 13:47:28 [fjh]
- zakim, klan is klanz2
- 13:47:28 [Zakim]
- +klanz2; got it
- 13:49:39 [sean]
- still lots of noise on phone
- 13:50:45 [fjh]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 13:51:03 [Zakim]
- fjh, listening for 15 seconds I heard sound from the following: klanz2 (97%), jwray (100%), Frederick_Hirsch (14%)
- 13:52:15 [fjh]
- may need APIs for accessing nodeset information...
- 13:52:26 [klanz2]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:52:26 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should now be muted
- 13:52:28 [tlr]
- zakim, mute klanz2
- 13:52:28 [Zakim]
- klanz2 was already muted, tlr
- 13:53:20 [fjh]
- Time Stamp comments from Juan Carlos
- 13:53:40 [fjh]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008May/0030.html
- 13:54:05 [klanz2]
- I need to leave in a minute anyway, so if we want to talk about streaming we may want to that next week
- 13:54:07 [klanz2]
- q+
- 13:54:19 [fjh]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0005.html
- 13:55:30 [fjh]
- ack klanz
- 13:58:05 [tlr]
- zakim, mute klanz2
- 13:58:06 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should now be muted
- 13:58:13 [klanz2]
- zakim, mute me
- 13:58:13 [Zakim]
- klanz2 was already muted, klanz2
- 13:58:48 [klanz2]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:58:48 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should no longer be muted
- 13:58:51 [jwray]
- Klanz: streaming discussion. Digest can't be checked until message has been completely processed.
- 13:59:10 [tlr]
- +1 to moving it to the new group
- 13:59:28 [tlr]
- TLS would be an example
- 13:59:29 [fjh]
- suggest discussing in next XMLSec WG.
- 14:00:36 [tlr]
- zakim, mute klanz2
- 14:00:36 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should now be muted
- 14:00:54 [klanz2]
- zakim, unmute me
- 14:00:54 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should no longer be muted
- 14:01:42 [pdatta]
- +q
- 14:01:57 [tlr]
- zakim, mute klanz2
- 14:01:57 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should now be muted
- 14:01:58 [fjh]
- ack pdatta
- 14:02:02 [Zakim]
- -PHB
- 14:02:34 [fjh]
- pratik: streaming big topic, had presentation at workshop, should be in next WG.
- 14:02:41 [hal]
- q+
- 14:03:19 [jwray]
- fjh: Defer streaming discussion to next WG.
- 14:04:04 [fjh]
- ack hal
- 14:05:02 [klanz2]
- zakim, unmute me
- 14:05:02 [Zakim]
- klanz2 should no longer be muted
- 14:05:49 [klanz2]
- q-
- 14:05:52 [klanz2]
- bye
- 14:06:15 [Zakim]
- -klanz2
- 14:06:23 [fjh]
- hal: need to have reasonable reachable problem, e.g. better define problem, e.g. process linearly, chunks etc, define assumptions
- 14:06:50 [fjh]
- Time Stamp comments from Juan Carlos
- 14:06:57 [fjh]
- Topic: Time Stamp comments from Juan Carlos
- 14:07:08 [fjh]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008May/0030.html
- 14:08:48 [jwray]
- fjh: First comment is editorial - suggest accepting, second needs more discussion.
- 14:09:48 [jwray]
- RESOLUTION: Accept first change in Juan-carlos' message.
- 14:10:01 [jwray]
- ACTION: pratik to add to doc.
- 14:10:02 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-163 - Add to doc. [on Pratik Datta - due 2008-06-10].
- 14:12:10 [jwray]
- TOPIC: Action item review
- 14:12:33 [jwray]
- ACTION-151 closed
- 14:12:38 [jwray]
- ACTION-151: closed
- 14:12:39 [trackbot-ng]
- ACTION-151 Implement don Eastlake's changes to xml signature home page notes added
- 14:12:53 [fjh]
- see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0000.html
- 14:13:21 [jwray]
- ACTION-154: closed
- 14:13:21 [trackbot-ng]
- ACTION-154 Make transition request for test case document notes added
- 14:13:24 [fjh]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0000.html
- 14:14:14 [fjh]
- action 153 open
- 14:14:15 [tlr]
- ACTION-154 closed
- 14:14:52 [shivaram]
- Sorry, I have to drop off for another meeting. Bye
- 14:15:02 [Zakim]
- -shivaram
- 14:15:08 [jwray]
- ACTION 159 open
- 14:15:28 [jwray]
- ACTION 160 closed
- 14:15:39 [jwray]
- ACTION 161 closed
- 14:15:46 [tlr]
- ACTION-160 closed
- 14:15:46 [fjh]
- see http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/Overview.html
- 14:15:48 [tlr]
- ACTION-161 closed
- 14:16:11 [tlr]
- ACTION-158?
- 14:16:11 [trackbot-ng]
- ACTION-158 -- Frederick Hirsch to check on status with customer. -- due 2008-05-27 -- OPEN
- 14:16:11 [trackbot-ng]
- http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/track/actions/158
- 14:16:32 [tlr]
- ACTION-158: on thomas
- 14:16:32 [trackbot-ng]
- ACTION-158 Check on status with customer. notes added
- 14:16:32 [jwray]
- ACTION 158 reassigned to tlr
- 14:18:00 [Zakim]
- -Hal
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- -sean
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- -Pratik
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- -Ed_Simon
- 14:18:17 [pdatta]
- pdatta has left #xmlsec
- 14:18:38 [tlr]
- trackbot-ng, close ACTION-154
- 14:18:38 [trackbot-ng]
- ACTION-154 Make transition request for test case document closed
- 14:18:47 [tlr]
- trackbot-ng, close ACTION-160
- 14:18:47 [trackbot-ng]
- ACTION-160 Add more documentation to the Best Practices document for his examples closed
- 14:18:51 [tlr]
- trackbot-ng, close ACTION-161
- 14:18:51 [trackbot-ng]
- ACTION-161 Add link to best practices example directory to WG administrative page closed
- 14:19:05 [tlr]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:19:05 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr
- 14:19:07 [fjh]
- Zakim, list participants
- 14:19:07 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been jwray, Frederick_Hirsch, +1.408.907.aaaa, shivaram, sean, Thomas, Ed_Simon, Pratik, +1.781.904.aabb, klanz2, Hal, PHB, deastlak,
- 14:19:10 [Zakim]
- ... +1.857.362.aacc
- 14:19:11 [tlr]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:19:11 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr
- 14:20:25 [fjh]
- Present: Frederick Hirsch, Donald Eastlake, Thomas Roessler, Shivaram Mysore, Ed Simon, Phill Hallam Baker, Hal Lockhart, Sean Mullan, Konrad Lanz, Pratik
- 14:20:30 [tlr]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:20:30 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr
- 14:20:31 [fjh]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:20:31 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh
- 14:20:51 [Zakim]
- -deastlak
- 14:21:07 [tlr]
- Present: JohnWray
- 14:21:10 [tlr]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:21:10 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr
- 14:21:21 [tlr]
- argh
- 14:21:31 [tlr]
- present: Frederick Hirsch, Donald Eastlake, Thomas Roessler, Shivaram Mysore, Ed Simon, Phill Hallam Baker, Hal Lockhart, Sean Mullan, Konrad Lanz, Pratik, JohnWray
- 14:21:36 [tlr]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:21:36 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr
- 14:22:16 [Zakim]
- -Frederick_Hirsch
- 14:22:26 [Zakim]
- -jwray
- 14:23:07 [Zakim]
- -Thomas
- 14:23:08 [Zakim]
- T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended
- 14:23:09 [Zakim]
- Attendees were jwray, Frederick_Hirsch, +1.408.907.aaaa, shivaram, sean, Thomas, Ed_Simon, Pratik, +1.781.904.aabb, klanz2, Hal, PHB, deastlak, +1.857.362.aacc