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17:52:51 <MSM> johnarwe, an automotive problem has come up that I have to take care of right now; I'll be late for the call.  Hopefully not too late, but late.
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17:56:34 <Jim> Meeting: SML WG Teleconference 22 May 2008
17:56:50 <Jim> Chair: John Arwe
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17:58:59 <Jim> Regrets: Kirk
18:00:48 <johnarwe> zakim, this is sml
18:00:48 <Zakim> ok, johnarwe; that matches XML_SMLWG()2:00PM
18:01:05 <Jim> Regrets: Jordan
18:03:32 <Jim> Scribe: James Lynn
18:03:38 <Jim> scribenick: Jim
18:05:21 <pratul> I will be representing Microsoft until Kumar shows up
18:05:43 <Jim> Topic: Approval of Minutes
18:05:45 <Zakim> +Sandy
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18:06:44 <johnarwe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008May/att-0078/20080515-sml-minutes.html
18:07:19 <Jim> No objections or updates noted.
18:07:38 <Jim> Resolution: Minutes approved.
18:08:13 <Jim> Topic: Register for Edinburgh
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18:08:28 <Jim> register whether attending in person or by phone.
18:09:10 <Zakim> +ginny
18:09:26 <Jim> The CG is gravitating toward the week that we selected (Oct 27-31).
18:10:14 <Jim> Topic: F2F in October
18:10:28 <Zakim> +kumar
18:10:52 <pratul> Switching back to co-chair role now that Kumar is here
18:11:01 <Jim> Topic: Action Items
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18:11:58 <Jim> Pratul: No ETA on his item.
18:12:49 <Jim> Kumar: No update.
18:13:10 <Jim> Topic: Bugs with no keywords or target
18:13:39 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5678
18:14:35 <MSM> zakim, please call MSM-617
18:14:35 <Zakim> ok, MSM; the call is being made
18:14:37 <Zakim> +MSM
18:14:54 <Jim> Close this bug as this was due to a technical problem on the server.
18:15:14 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5710
18:16:23 <Jim> Sections 4.1.3 and 4.1.1 definitions do not match.
18:17:19 <Jim> Action: Julia to propose a change. 
18:17:19 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-186 - Propose a change.  [on Julia McCarthy - due 2008-05-29].
18:19:27 <Jim> Actioin 186 = Propose a text change for Bug 5710
18:19:39 <johnarwe> first sentence of 4.3 probably supplies the info missing per bug 5710
18:19:54 <Jim> Action 186 = Propose a text change for Bug 5710
18:20:45 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5711 Fuzzy phrase: "essentially the same"
18:23:39 <Jim> Resolution: Mark as editorial, does not need review.
18:24:15 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5712 Missing word "global" in schema annotation
18:29:35 <Jim> Kumar requested that we defer this to the next meeting to give him time to research whether the "global" restriction makes sense.
18:30:11 <Jim> Action: Kumar to research issue in Bug 5712.
18:30:11 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-187 - Research issue in Bug 5712. [on Kumar Pandit - due 2008-05-29].
18:30:52 <Jim> Resolution: Mark as needsAgreement.
18:31:34 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5713 Wording issues in Appendix E
18:31:49 <Jim> Resolution: Mark as editorial, does not need agreement.
18:32:15 <Jim> Topic: Decided Bugs
18:32:53 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5513 Why does SML define sml:ref...
18:33:01 <Jim> Need to wait one more week.
18:33:17 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5520
18:33:28 <Jim> Need to wait one more week.
18:33:38 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5529
18:33:45 <Jim> Need to wait one more week.
18:33:56 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5562
18:34:03 <Jim> Need to wait one more week.
18:34:20 <Jim> Topic: Bugs which need review
18:36:06 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5549 Explanation of notation for { },  [ ]
18:38:05 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5505 wrong type for schemaBinding
18:38:50 <Jim> Resolution: Mark as FIXED
18:40:01 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5506 Update spec to clarify SML reference resolution
18:43:44 <johnarwe> first step: any objs to diff in comment 1?
18:44:18 <johnarwe> second step will be: assess agreement on proposal in comment 2
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18:51:53 <Jim> WG agrees on the changes shown in the diff file in sections 4.1.3 and 4.1.4.
18:52:52 <Jim> WG agrees to the changes in Comment #2.
18:53:19 <Jim> Resolution: Mark as editorial, no need for review.
18:54:55 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5635 impl-define and impl dependent not defined
18:55:43 <Jim> Resolution: Mark as FIXED. Open a new bug to address "processor" per comment #5
18:56:10 <Jim> Topic: HasProposal Bugs
18:56:54 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5658 Restore accidental change to smlif:identityType
18:57:56 <Jim> Resolution: Mark as editorial, no review needed.
18:58:38 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5659 schemaComplete default value
18:59:29 <Jim> Proposal to have schemaComplete='false'
18:59:48 <Jim> Resolution: Mark as editorial, does not need review.
19:00:28 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5676 schemaComplete in 1 location
19:01:35 <Jim> Proposal is to mov schemaComplete to modelType and update spec as per bug description.
19:02:52 <Jim> Resolution: Mark as editorial, needs no review.
19:03:39 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5679 SML ref targets in SML and SML-IF do not agree
19:04:59 <Jim> Resolution: Mark as editorial per proposal in description, needs no review.
19:05:38 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5680 Fix errors in schematron example
19:11:14 <Jim> Resolution: Mark as needs agreement.
19:11:45 <Jim> Action: Julia to discuss Bug 5680 with Valentina.
19:11:45 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-188 - Discuss Bug 5680 with Valentina. [on Julia McCarthy - due 2008-05-29].
19:12:36 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5707 clarify SML reference resolution
19:15:28 <johnarwe> this comes up I think because of the first sentence in the bug - we already talk about fragment-only uris
19:16:31 <johnarwe> MSM suggests that, to the degree we need to state anything, we note that it is a consequence of other normative documents, not a normative stmt promulgated by our specs
19:22:04 <johnarwe> the other sticky point about what I'll call this "transitive closure" issue of dependencies, is that if you (as we did with sml) want to say that it supports _either_ schema 1.0 or 1.1, you must choose between non-overlapping RFC numbers (because newer ones superseded older)
19:28:47 <pratul> John - we should do the ext comments bugs first
19:29:00 <pratul> due to the 2 week mandatory wait period
19:39:31 <Jim> Action: Kumar to draft a proposal for Bug 5707.
19:39:31 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-189 - Draft a proposal for Bug 5707. [on Kumar Pandit - due 2008-05-29].
19:39:50 <Jim> Resolution: Mark as needsAgreement.
19:40:37 <Jim> Topic: Bug 5519 Relationship between SML validity and XSD validity
19:53:26 <MSM> the lady or the tiger?
20:00:17 <Zakim> - +1.919.227.aaaa
20:00:34 <johnarwe> zakim, aaaa is julia
20:00:34 <Zakim> sorry, johnarwe, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
20:01:15 <johnarwe> time check - have to wrap soon
20:01:54 <Jim> Resolution: Remains needsAgreement. Pick up discussion on next call.
20:03:10 <MSM> test cases for lax fallback
20:03:18 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
20:03:21 <Jim> Action: MSM to draft test case for lax falback.
20:03:21 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-190 - Draft test case for lax falback. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2008-05-29].
20:03:26 <Zakim> -kumar
20:03:36 <Zakim> -johnarwe
20:03:40 <Jim> RRSAgent, create minutes
20:03:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/22-sml-minutes.html Jim
20:03:46 <Zakim> -Sandy
20:05:54 <Zakim> -MSM
20:05:56 <Zakim> -ginny
20:05:57 <Zakim> XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended
20:05:58 <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], +1.919.227.aaaa, jim, johnarwe, Sandy, ginny, kumar, MSM
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