IRC log of bpwg on 2008-05-13

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13:58:31 [RRSAgent]

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-bpwg-irc

13:58:33 [trackbot-ng]

RRSAgent, make logs public

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13:58:35 [trackbot-ng]

Zakim, this will be BPWG

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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot-ng

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Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

13:58:36 [trackbot-ng]

Date: 13 May 2008

13:58:53 [francois]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2008May/0016.html

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Chair: fd

13:59:06 [francois]

Regrets: jo, MartinJ, Bryan, Murari

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Present: rob, Pontus, francois

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14:05:49 [francois]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:05:49 [Zakim]

sorry, francois, I don't know what conference this is

14:05:51 [Zakim]

On IRC I see andrews, Pontus2, rob, Zakim, RRSAgent, matt, trackbot-ng, francois, dom

14:05:59 [matt]

Present- Matt

14:06:33 [francois]

Present+ andrews

14:06:48 [francois]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-bpwg-minutes.html francois

14:08:26 [francois]

Scribe: Andrew

14:08:42 [francois]

ScribeNick: andrews

14:09:43 [andrews]

Pontus2: Part of devices team in Ericsson for last 2 years. Working in mobile internet for 8 years. Replacing Magnus.

14:10:18 [francois]

Topic: XHR last call comment

14:11:38 [francois]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008May/0064.html last call comment

14:12:17 [andrews]

francois: HR is just one case. iFrame is another example.

14:13:15 [andrews]

... Explaining explicitly what is wanted (eg no-transform) is better than identifying origin of request.

14:13:20 [francois]

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: don't go any further with the XHR topic.

14:13:38 [andrews]

+1

14:13:44 [francois]

+1

14:14:00 [Pontus2]

+1

14:14:18 [andrews]

RESOLUTION: don't go any further with the XHR topic.

14:14:47 [francois]

Topic: Consistency in the behavior of the CT-proxy

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14:15:49 [andrews]

francois: No guidelines about handling of sessions

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...CT-proxies should be consistent within a session but how do we define a session?

14:17:07 [francois]

Present+ SeanP

14:18:54 [andrews]

Rob: Example - content is being transformed and then a style sheet says no-transform

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...links may contain URLs pointing back to CT-proxy

14:21:08 [andrews]

francois: may be we don't need to make any recommendations in the guidelines.

14:21:10 [francois]

ACTION: daoust to summarize the issue that may be raised by sessions

14:21:10 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-755 - Summarize the issue that may be raised by sessions [on François Daoust - due 2008-05-20].

14:23:08 [francois]

Topic: Examination of URIs

14:23:28 [francois]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2008May/0000.html Sean's point

14:24:22 [andrews]

francois: Reference discussions about URIs indicating mobile content e.g. mobile.site.com.

14:24:54 [andrews]

...some content providers use such URIs already.

14:25:56 [andrews]

...However, URIs should not necessarily relate to the content.

14:26:21 [SeanP]

q+

14:26:29 [francois]

ack SeanP

14:26:31 [andrews]

...Guidelines should not specify specific URI patterns.

14:27:09 [andrews]

Sean: Agree should just be a heuristic.

14:27:32 [andrews]

...until there is a better way.

14:28:01 [francois]

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Mention examination of URIs in the list of heuristics in 4.4 (transformation of the response) and mention Sean's list (wap.*, m.*, ...) as examples

14:28:17 [andrews]

francois: We can not come up with a comprehensive list of URI patterns that would indicate a mobile aware site.

14:28:56 [SeanP]

+1

14:28:57 [andrews]

...suggest that we just site this as ah heuristic and give examples

14:28:59 [francois]

+1

14:29:06 [rob]

+1

14:29:06 [andrews]

+1

14:29:12 [Pontus2]

+1

14:30:17 [francois]

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Mention examination of URIs in the list of heuristics in 4.4 (transformation of the response) and mention Sean's list (wap.*, m.*, ...) as examples

14:30:24 [andrews]

RESOLUTION: Mention examination of URIs in the list of heuristics in 4.4 (transformation of the response) and mention Sean's list (wap.*, m.*, ...) as examples

14:30:31 [francois]

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Mention examination of URIs as a bullet point in 4.1.2 (transformation of the request) to complete the list "the proxy SHOULD analyze whether it intends to offer transformation services by referring to [...]".

14:30:43 [andrews]

s/Sean/SeanP/

14:31:55 [SeanP]

q+

14:32:01 [francois]

ack SeanP

14:32:43 [andrews]

SeanP: Should say this in the request section.

14:33:44 [andrews]

francois: URI is one of the only indicators of mobile content at request time.

14:35:32 [francois]

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Mention examination of URIs also in 4.1.2 (transformation of the request) to complete the list after "the proxy SHOULD analyze whether it intends to offer transformation services by referring to:".

14:35:42 [francois]

+1

14:35:51 [SeanP]

+1

14:35:53 [andrews]

+1

14:35:58 [rob]

+1

14:36:05 [andrews]

RESOLUTION: Mention examination of URIs also in 4.1.2 (transformation of the request) to complete the list after "the proxy SHOULD analyze whether it intends to offer transformation services by referring to:".

14:37:52 [SeanP]

q+

14:38:25 [andrews]

francois: Aim is to publish guidelines at end June after face-to-face meeting.

14:38:30 [francois]

ack SeanP

14:38:42 [andrews]

SeanP: Dates for face-to-face?

14:39:43 [andrews]

francois: 16, 17, 18 June in SE France

14:40:48 [andrews]

...moving to "last call" indicates that we, the task force, think that we have solved all problems.

14:42:00 [francois]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-bpwg-minutes.html francois

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14:43:18 [francois]

i/Pontus2: Part of devices team/Topic: Introducing Pontus/

14:43:20 [francois]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-bpwg-minutes.html francois

14:46:53 [francois]

Regrets+ hgerlach

14:46:55 [francois]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-bpwg-minutes.html francois

14:51:57 [francois]

RRSAgent, bye

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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-bpwg-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: daoust to summarize the issue that may be raised by sessions [1]

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