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14:44:43 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
14:44:45 <John_Boyer> Chair:John
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14:44:49 <John_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh
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14:44:55 <John_Boyer> scribenick: Leigh_Klotz
14:44:59 <Zakim> +[IBM]
14:45:05 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0126.html
14:45:07 <Charlie> zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
14:45:07 <Zakim> +Charlie; got it
14:45:20 <Zakim> +wellsk
14:45:50 <Zakim> +unl
14:46:07 <unl> zakim, mute me
14:46:07 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
14:46:10 <Zakim> +John_Boyer
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14:47:25 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
14:47:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
14:47:58 <Zakim> +??P4
14:48:03 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
14:48:03 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
14:48:50 <Zakim> +??P5
14:49:01 <ebruchez> zakim, ??P5 is ebruchez
14:49:01 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
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14:49:44 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
14:49:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Charlie, wellsk, unl (muted), John_Boyer, markbirbeck, ebruchez, Leigh_Klotz
14:49:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see klotz, Roger, ebruchez, Charlie, unl, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng
14:50:19 <Zakim> + +03491211aaaa
14:50:30 <Roger> zakim, 211aaaa is Roger
14:50:30 <Zakim> sorry, Roger, I do not recognize a party named '211aaaa'
14:50:57 <Roger> zakim, +03491211aaaa is Roger
14:50:57 <Zakim> +Roger; got it
14:52:45 <John_Boyer> Regrets: Steven, Nick
14:53:03 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0126.html
14:55:46 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/FtF_2008_06
15:00:40 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0125.html
15:03:20 <klotz> "An important principle of Web architecture is that all important resources be identifiable by URI. The finding discusses the relationship between the URI addressability of a resource and the choice between HTTP GET and POST methods with HTTP URIs."
15:03:24 <klotz> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/whenToUseGet.html
15:16:23 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0107.html
15:16:46 <klotz> ACTION: Mark Birbeck to raise issue of leaving XForms submission resource attribute alone and perhaps having RDFa document its semantics in a future version.
15:16:46 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Mark
15:16:46 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. mseaborn, mbirbeck)
15:22:17 <John_Boyer> <submission ..
15:22:27 <John_Boyer> <instance value="blah"/>
15:22:43 <John_Boyer> gets the value of blah and uses as IDREF overload of instance attr
15:22:44 <John_Boyer> but
15:22:52 <John_Boyer> <instance ref="blah"/>
15:23:04 <John_Boyer> would instead overload by pointing to actual instance data
15:23:42 <ebruchez> if we had 'response-body' on xforms-submit-done, we could write <setvalue ev:event="xforms-submit-done" ref="/foo/bar" value="event('response-body')"/>
15:25:06 <klotz> <submission replace="instance" instance="foo" response="/foo/bar" />
15:25:48 <klotz> <submission replace="instance" instance="instance('foo')/foo/bar" />
15:31:29 <klotz> <submission replace="instance('foo')/foo/bar" />
15:32:39 <klotz> <submission replace="instance" response="instance('foo')/foo/bar" />
15:34:57 <klotz> <submission replace="instance" return="instance('foo')/foo/bar" />
15:35:41 <klotz> <submission replace="instance" desto="instance('foo')/foo/bar" />
15:36:03 <klotz> <submission replace="instance" atari="instance('foo')/foo/bar" />
15:36:14 <Roger> destino is destination in Spanish
15:36:22 <Roger> ;-)
15:37:17 <ebruchez> cible="..."
15:37:54 <klotz> target1
15:38:11 <wellsk> instance-target
15:38:34 <klotz> <submission replace="instance" instance='foo' instance-target="instance('foo')/foo/bar" />
15:38:52 <klotz> <submission replace="instance" instance='foo' instance-target="/foo/bar" />
15:39:54 <wellsk> from spec: By default, the target node is the document element of the instance indicated by the instance attribute.
15:39:55 <unl> leigh, instance('foo')/foo/bar and /foo/bar are not equivalent
15:40:08 <markbirbeck> <submission replace="target"  target="_blank" />
15:40:12 <klotz> yes, beacuse of the first child rule, but i"m being lazy typing.
15:40:45 <wellsk> xforms-target
15:40:55 <klotz> xf:target
15:40:58 <ebruchez> oouch
15:40:59 <unl> xf:target
15:44:01 <John_Boyer> <submission replace="instance" target="xpath"
15:44:21 <John_Boyer> <submission replace="all" target not used
15:44:32 <John_Boyer> <submission replace="target" target="IDREF"
15:44:32 <wellsk> <submission replace="target"
15:46:00 <John_Boyer> or <submission replace="all" which is default and target="IDREF"
15:54:15 <klotz> "'foo'"
15:58:23 <Charlie> sounds like too much magic
15:59:16 <unl> why not rename replace="all" to replace="document"? when target is given, interpret it as IDREF, otherwise use document root.
16:02:16 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We revoke our previous resolution and keep submission/@target as is, since we now understand that in the future we may take advantage of other attributes and XSLT 2.0 doc() function to refer to parts of the host document.
16:02:23 <John_Boyer> 28<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0118.html>
16:06:58 <Charlie> wasn't it for form startup?
16:21:34 <Charlie> think so
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16:23:50 <Zakim> Attendees were Charlie, wellsk, unl, John_Boyer, markbirbeck, ebruchez, Leigh_Klotz, Roger
16:24:07 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:24:12 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-forms-actions.rdf :
16:24:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark Birbeck to raise issue of leaving XForms submission resource attribute alone and perhaps having RDFa document its semantics in a future version. [1]
16:24:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/30-forms-irc#T15-16-46
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