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12:10:58 <Christophe> zakim, what teleconferences?
12:10:58 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Christophe.
12:11:04 <Christophe> zakim, teleconferences
12:11:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'teleconferences', Christophe
12:11:12 <Christophe> zakim, what conferences?
12:11:12 <Zakim> I see ARCH_Team()8:00AM active
12:11:14 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time is UW_Team()8:00AM
12:11:52 <Christophe> zakim, this will be WAI_TSDTF
12:11:52 <Zakim> ok, Christophe; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 19 minutes
12:12:31 <Christophe> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Apr/0004.html
12:12:52 <Christophe> Meeting: TSD TF
12:13:01 <Christophe> Chair: Christophe, CarlosV
12:13:14 <Christophe> Agenda+ Naming convention and test suite ID in metadata
12:13:27 <Christophe> Agenda+ Review of test samples
12:13:47 <Christophe> Agenda+ Next steps for current repository content
12:14:03 <Christophe> Agenda+ Review of action items
12:32:38 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started
12:32:44 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
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12:33:21 <Zakim> +Cooper
12:34:34 <Zakim> +Shadi
12:35:04 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
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12:37:32 <Zakim> +Johannes
12:38:20 <CarlosV> zakim, Johannes is really CarlosV
12:38:20 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
12:38:48 <Christophe> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:38:48 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Naming convention and test suite ID in metadata" taken up [from Christophe]
12:39:17 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
12:40:05 <MichaelC> cs: We didn't finish discussion of naming convention; no further discussion online
12:41:07 <MichaelC> mc: taking a lot of time to discuss, will take more to implement, let's just move forward
12:41:35 <MichaelC> ci: worried some test cases will end up in wrong SC
12:41:39 <MichaelC> mc: trust in metadata
12:41:45 <MichaelC> ... if that's wrong, then we need to make change
12:41:49 <shadi> s/ci:/cv:
12:41:51 <MichaelC> ... has been months of discussion though
12:42:33 <MichaelC> saz: ask for summary of issue
12:42:44 <MichaelC> cs: Bentoweb planned to have test suites for different technologies
12:43:09 <MichaelC> ... needed way to distinguish test suites in ids
12:43:20 <MichaelC> ... at moment we only have one so it's not really relevant
12:43:28 <MichaelC> ... but there's nothing scripts can acton
12:43:34 <MichaelC> s/acton/act on/
12:44:27 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2008/04/08-tsdtf-minutes.html#item02
12:44:46 <MichaelC> saz: reviewing previous discussion (above link)
12:45:33 <shadi>  xhtml1_text-equiv-all_002
12:45:42 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Apr/0002.html
12:45:52 <MichaelC> ... ID like above sample was proposal
12:46:14 <MichaelC> ... we agreed it was beneficial, but didn't close on how much work it would be to migrate
12:46:54 <MichaelC> cs: bulk of work is moving from numbers to ids
12:47:40 <MichaelC> mc: is it the task of making the change, or making the mapping from number to id mapping?
12:47:46 <MichaelC> cs: it's the renaming of files
12:49:29 <MichaelC> cv: not sure about resources for making change
12:50:41 <MichaelC> saz: cs and cv should work out whether we have resources to make change and make it, or decide we can live with it
12:51:38 <MichaelC> ACTION: cs and cv to work out whether we have resources to make change and make it, or decide we can live with it
12:52:37 <Christophe> zakim, take up agendum 2
12:52:37 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review of test samples" taken up [from Christophe]
12:54:13 <MichaelC> cs: tb has finished review
12:55:08 <MichaelC> ... status for ci?
12:55:19 <MichaelC> ci: were responses to Tim's comments
12:55:33 <MichaelC> cs: will summarize changes made and send to list
12:56:17 <MichaelC> saz: issue with test samples that have video or audio format
12:56:52 <Christophe> Resolution from 8 april was to ignore the files that have been uploaded in the wrong directory and follow the process for future uploads
12:58:27 <MichaelC> saz: should migrate from focus on what files in CVS, to using an interface that doesn't worry about structure underneath
13:00:31 <MichaelC> cv: there are other W3C test suites that are purely CVS based
13:00:51 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
13:01:03 <MichaelC> saz: W3C persistency policy is about any Web resource, not just HTML
13:01:27 <MichaelC> ... CVS Web front end is not recommended, is resource intensive
13:01:39 <Tim> Tim has joined #tsdtf
13:01:49 <MichaelC> ... suggest we focus on HTML view of test suite
13:02:31 <MichaelC> ... don't think we can break persistency policy and remove just because it ended up somewhere wrong
13:02:52 <MichaelC> ... if we rename test samples, we will have a whole slew of tests that are obsolete
13:03:16 <MichaelC> mc: can set up redirects, but that might not be the easiest path
13:03:31 <MichaelC> tb: how determine how a test is obsolete?
13:03:40 <MichaelC> saz: mostly the renaming
13:04:46 <MichaelC> cs: test samples for audio and video don't list all the technologies used in the metadata
13:04:51 <MichaelC> ... need volunteers to scrub
13:05:15 <MichaelC> mc: can help in a week or two
13:05:20 <MichaelC> cs: will send instructions to list
13:06:17 <MichaelC> ... we have one that uses wmv
13:06:43 <MichaelC> ... there are 3 ways of identifying; should make them more consistent
13:07:08 <MichaelC> mc: not just using MIME type?
13:07:13 <MichaelC> cs: metadata uses more than MIME
13:09:58 <MichaelC> cs: recommendations?
13:10:09 <MichaelC> mc: people should get to it when they get to it on a scrubbing pass
13:10:42 <MichaelC> tb: are there standardized identification mechanisms for media we're using?
13:10:56 <MichaelC> cs: W3C formats have stable mechanisms, but not sure for external formats
13:11:12 <MichaelC> ... Wikipedia entry perhaps our best bet
13:11:37 <MichaelC> cv: suggest supplement with MIME type in case URL of recommendation disappears
13:13:37 <MichaelC> cs: where should it go?
13:13:45 <MichaelC> cv: new attribute
13:14:55 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL
13:15:15 <Christophe> MIME Media Types: http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/
13:18:14 <MichaelC> action: Christophe to add MIME type to TCDL schema
13:18:31 <Christophe> zakim, take up agendum 3
13:18:31 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Next steps for current repository content" taken up [from Christophe]
13:19:10 <MichaelC> cs: question whether to update test samples to new draft
13:19:16 <MichaelC> ... wanted to identify which SC are stable
13:19:36 <MichaelC> q+
13:20:05 <MichaelC> saz: should focus on doing a diff
13:20:17 <shadi> ack m
13:21:16 <MichaelC> mc: when CR comes out, anything not listed as "at risk" is stable because can't change without bouncing back to WD
13:22:46 <MichaelC> saz: reviewing action, CV was to look at diffs
13:22:53 <MichaelC> cv: pending, have documents, need to do comparison
13:23:15 <Christophe> zakim, take up agendum 4
13:23:15 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Review of action items" taken up [from Christophe]
13:24:04 <MichaelC> cs: reviews probably have to wait until migrate to new draft
13:24:09 <MichaelC> saz: and new naming convention
13:25:55 <MichaelC> NEXT MEETING: 13 May 2008
13:26:38 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
13:26:43 <Zakim> -Cooper
13:26:46 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:26:48 <Zakim> -CarlosV
13:26:50 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
13:26:52 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
13:26:53 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended
13:26:54 <Zakim> Attendees were Christophe_Strobbe, Cooper, Shadi, Carlos_Iglesias, CarlosV, Tim_Boland
13:26:58 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
13:26:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/29-tsdtf-minutes.html MichaelC
13:32:52 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
13:33:24 <MichaelC> zakim, bye
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13:33:26 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
13:33:26 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/29-tsdtf-actions.rdf :
13:33:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: cs and cv to work out whether we have resources to make change and make it, or decide we can live with it [1]
13:33:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/29-tsdtf-irc#T12-51-38
13:33:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Christophe to add MIME type to TCDL schema [2]
13:33:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/29-tsdtf-irc#T13-18-14
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