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14:36:26 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
14:36:37 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0076.html
14:36:48 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
14:36:52 <John_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh
14:36:56 <John_Boyer> Regrets: Uli
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14:41:54 <John_Boyer> John_Boyer has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0076.html
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14:44:03 <Zakim> +[IBM]
14:44:06 <nic1> zakim, code?
14:44:06 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), nic1
14:44:07 <Charlie> zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
14:44:08 <Zakim> +Charlie; got it
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14:44:52 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
14:44:57 <Zakim> +John_Boyer
14:45:02 <Roger> zakim, code?
14:45:02 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Roger
14:45:30 <Zakim> +wellsk
14:45:40 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
14:45:40 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
14:45:42 <Zakim> +Steven
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14:47:37 <ebruchez> zakim, [IP is ebruchez
14:47:37 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
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14:47:43 <wellsk> zakim, who is here?
14:47:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Charlie, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, John_Boyer, wellsk, Steven, ebruchez
14:47:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see klotz, ebruchez, wellsk, nick, Charlie, SusanB, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, Steven, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng, shepazu
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14:49:30 <Zakim> +Leigh_Klotz
14:50:27 <John_Boyer> scribenick: Leigh_Klotz
14:50:47 <Zakim> +??P6
14:50:56 <Roger> zakim, P6 is Roger
14:50:56 <Zakim> sorry, Roger, I do not recognize a party named 'P6'
14:51:06 <Roger> zakim, ??P6 is Roger
14:51:06 <Zakim> +Roger; got it
14:52:15 <John_Boyer> agenda link http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0076.html
14:52:57 <nick> zakim, mute mee
14:52:57 <Zakim> sorry, nick, I do not know which phone connection belongs to mee
14:53:05 <Zakim> +Susan_Borgrink
14:53:23 <nick> zakim, mute me
14:53:23 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
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14:55:39 <nick> hmm, I have forgotten to add the actions from last week I guess
14:55:53 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
14:55:53 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
14:57:20 <Zakim> +markbirbeck
14:57:31 <markbirbeck> zakim, mute me
14:57:31 <Zakim> markbirbeck should now be muted
14:57:55 <markbirbeck> zakim, unmute me
14:57:55 <Zakim> markbirbeck should no longer be muted
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15:13:23 <John_Boyer> Erik's email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0077.html
15:14:01 <John_Boyer> MarkB's email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0079.html
15:18:20 <nick> target-node ;)
15:20:33 <Charlie> ref would seem to imply a binding behavior
15:21:05 <Charlie> but i guess we already do that on setvalue
15:21:06 <klotz> cf. upload/filename and upload/mediatype
15:23:33 <nick> value is never a ref
15:24:29 <nick> zakim, unmute me
15:24:29 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should no longer be muted
15:25:48 <nick> why not keep target as attribute, but also allow target child, and say that if replace is instance or text it should be an xpath expression 
15:26:11 <nick> then we can use target attribute for repelaece all
15:26:26 <John_Boyer> because target attribute makes no sense for replace instance.
15:26:28 <nick> and there is no need to invent another name
15:26:45 <John_Boyer> in all cases where we have a matcing attr and child elem, they get at the same thing
15:27:08 <Roger> s/matcing/matching
15:27:17 <nick> zakim, mute me
15:27:17 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:27:40 <klotz> <submission><resource>http://foo</resource></submission>
15:27:52 <klotz> <submission><resource>http://foo</resource></submission>
15:28:16 <klotz> <submission><resource value="abc" /></submission>
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15:30:28 <Rafael> Zakim, Roger has Rafael
15:30:28 <Zakim> +Rafael; got it
15:30:38 <Rafael> Sorry to be so late
15:34:04 <Charlie> are we sure that's required?
15:34:15 <John_Boyer> Are we resolved to take 1.1 to a short LC to rename the functionality currently known as submission/@target?
15:37:44 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We resolve to rename submission/@target for XForms 1..
15:38:03 <klotz> s/1../1.1/
15:39:00 <Steven> +1
15:39:30 <klotz> <response ref="...">?
15:40:04 <nick> I think it iss a bit confusing
15:40:21 <nick> Ok lets keep it target then
15:40:55 <klotz> <replace ref="..." />
15:42:48 <nick> minutes is fine
15:42:55 <klotz> ACTION: Steven Pemberton to propose name for submission attribute or child element to replace submssion/@target
15:42:55 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-456 - Pemberton to propose name for submission attribute or child element to replace submssion/@target [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-04-23].
15:48:09 <klotz> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to propose a last-call comment to group in response to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0001.html
15:48:09 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-457 - Klotz to propose a last-call comment to group in response to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0001.html [on Leigh Klotz, Jr. - due 2008-04-23].
15:48:48 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0068.html
15:51:17 <nick> Does this include form, fieldset, button, option,..?
15:52:58 <nick> So we are not talking about incorporating those element names in the XForms language but only defining a mapping?
15:53:17 <nick> zakim, unmute me
15:53:17 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should no longer be muted
15:59:12 <markbirbeck> q+
15:59:39 <John_Boyer> ack markbirbeck
16:09:52 <markbirbeck> zakim, mute me
16:09:52 <Zakim> markbirbeck should now be muted
16:10:19 <markbirbeck> zakim, unmute me
16:10:19 <Zakim> markbirbeck should no longer be muted
16:11:18 <ebruchez> I have to leave now, talk to you next week.
16:11:24 <Zakim> -ebruchez
16:16:58 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
16:16:58 <Roger> bye
16:17:00 <Zakim> -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
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16:17:13 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()10:45AM has ended
16:17:14 <Zakim> Attendees were Charlie, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, John_Boyer, wellsk, Steven, [IPcaller], ebruchez, Leigh_Klotz, Susan_Borgrink, markbirbeck, Rafael
16:17:22 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
16:17:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/16-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
16:17:25 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
16:17:25 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/16-forms-actions.rdf :
16:17:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven Pemberton to propose name for submission attribute or child element to replace submssion/@target [1]
16:17:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/16-forms-irc#T15-42-55
16:17:25 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to propose a last-call comment to group in response to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0001.html [2]
16:17:25 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/16-forms-irc#T15-48-09
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