IRC log of swd on 2008-04-15

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14:58:01 [TomB]

rrsagent, bookmark

14:58:01 [RRSAgent]

See http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-swd-irc#T14-58-01

14:58:05 [TomB]

zakim, this will be swd

14:58:05 [Zakim]

ok, TomB, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started

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+ +0122427aaaa

14:58:11 [TomB]

zakim, who is on the call?

14:58:12 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Tom_Baker, +0122427aaaa

14:58:26 [TomB]

zakim, aaaa is Quentin

14:58:26 [Zakim]

+Quentin; got it

14:58:27 [Qreul]

zakim, +0122427aaaa is Qreul

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+[LC]

14:58:28 [Zakim]

sorry, Qreul, I do not recognize a party named '+0122427aaaa'

14:58:32 [Clay]

zakim, LC is Clay

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+Clay; got it

14:58:41 [TomB]

Meeting: SWD WG

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Chair: Tom

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Apr/0055.html

14:59:05 [Zakim]

+??P26

14:59:20 [Zakim]

+Ralph

14:59:21 [vit]

zakim, +P26

14:59:22 [Zakim]

I wonder where P26 is

14:59:22 [TomB]

Regrets: Sean, Alistair

14:59:27 [vit]

zakim, +P26 is me

14:59:27 [Zakim]

sorry, vit, I do not recognize a party named '+P26'

14:59:31 [Ralph]

zakim, ??p26 is Vit

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+Vit; got it

14:59:44 [TomB]

Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/04/08-swd-minutes.html

15:00:02 [TomB]

rrsagent, please make record public

15:00:04 [Ralph]

Regrets+ Michael

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scribe: Vit

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scribenick: vit

15:00:27 [Zakim]

+??P30

15:00:44 [Ralph]

zakim, ??p30 is Daniel_Rubin

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+Daniel_Rubin; got it

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+[LC]

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Zakim, LC is edsu

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+edsu; got it

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+nacho

15:02:57 [berrueta]

zakim, nacho is me

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+berrueta; got it

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+Guus

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+JonP

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+Margherita_Sini

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+Antoine_Isaac

15:05:27 [vit]

ACTION: Chairs to draft charter extension proposal for SKOS until July 1st [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action01]

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--continues

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tomb: ed & clay go on and add instructions related to f2f

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/WashingtonAgenda Washington F2F agenda

15:06:49 [vit]

clay: writing up a page about logistics

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ready by tomorrow

15:07:10 [vit]

add it to wiki and post to list

15:07:51 [vit]

wifi should be working

15:07:57 [edsu]

Clay++

15:08:00 [Zakim]

+Ben_Adida

15:08:22 [Clay]

de nada

15:08:33 [vit]

tomb: update list of F2F participants if needed

15:08:45 [vit]

.. edit wiki or drop a line

15:09:14 [vit]

ACTION: Guus and Tom draft an agenda for the May f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/08-swd-minutes.html#action02]

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--done

15:09:27 [vit]

TOPIC: SKOS

15:09:30 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Apr/0062.html "SKOS Reference editors' update" [Alistair 2008-04-14]

15:10:03 [vit]

antoine: concerns related to semantics of OWL imports

15:10:03 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Apr/0063.html "SKOS-XL & label relations" [Alistair 2008-04-14]

15:10:30 [vit]

... implementation of imports may vary in OWL

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-Guus

15:10:58 [vit]

... OWL spec is not clear in this respect

15:11:18 [vit]

... we can say that we recommend OWL imports

15:11:22 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Apr/0056.html "primer on relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies" [Alistair 2008-04-14]

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ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer on relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13]

15:11:44 [vit]

--done

15:11:57 [vit]

ACTION: Guus to write primer text re: broaderGeneric and equivalence w/r/t subclass [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08]

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--continues

15:12:15 [vit]

ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of rdfs isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10]

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--continues

15:12:18 [Ralph]

Regrets+ Simone

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+??P62

15:12:47 [Guus]

zakim, ??p62 is me

15:12:47 [Zakim]

+Guus; got it

15:12:56 [vit]

-> http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action06

15:13:25 [vit]

antoine: relations between label objects unclear... alistair proposed reification n-ary relation

15:13:46 [vit]

... solution: get all the possible patterns for this into the document

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... don't make a preferred choice

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ACTION: Antoine will review Alistair's proposals w/r/t the relationship between the existing solution and the extension [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action06]

15:14:13 [vit]

--continues

15:14:47 [vit]

open skos issues

15:14:51 [vit]

ACTION: Alistair to make a proposal for Issue 40 (Concept Coordination) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action09]

15:14:53 [vit]

--continues

15:14:59 [vit]

ACTION: Alistair to review Antoine and Guus' emails to move ISSUE-71 and -74 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action09]

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--continues

15:15:49 [vit]

tomb: agenda for the f2f - document editors should propose a way how to make use of the f2f time

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... look at the wiki and possibly change the agenda/topics

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TOPIC: RDFa

15:16:18 [vit]

ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]

15:16:21 [vit]

--continues

15:16:56 [vit]

ben: small changes, but new editor's draft still needed

15:17:05 [vit]

...mark working on that

15:17:22 [vit]

feedback would be welcome after the implementation and draft will be ready

15:18:10 [vit]

... get a draft out before the next meeting

15:18:17 [vit]

... depends on the TF approving this

15:18:35 [vit]

... primer draft looking pretty good, positive comments received

15:19:06 [vit]

... this week incorporating small changes to the syntax

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... primer draft by the next week

15:19:38 [vit]

guus: w.r.t. charter extension proposal - what should we plan?

15:19:47 [vit]

ben: let's be pesimistic

15:20:02 [vit]

... would go to CR in june

15:20:32 [vit]

guus: depends on the implementation report

15:20:41 [vit]

ben: no need to be pesimistic about that

15:21:49 [TomB]

CR is just for implementation - for demonstrating that your spec can be implemented by two independent developers

15:22:20 [vit]

guus: the main conversation happens when you go from last call to CR

15:22:31 [TomB]

Guus: in OWL, from Last Call to CR - consider issues raised

15:22:35 [vit]

... in case of objections, can be a difficult discussion

15:23:14 [vit]

ben: once the editor's draft is ready, we'll re-notify the previously contacted places

15:23:31 [vit]

... in pesimistic case CR end of june

15:23:37 [vit]

... period can be short

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... the implementations are already there

15:24:32 [vit]

guus: so that will be in the charter extension proposal then

15:25:01 [vit]

TOPIC: recipes

15:25:20 [vit]

ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]

15:25:25 [vit]

--continues

15:25:29 [vit]

ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]

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--continues

15:26:38 [Ralph]

scribenick: ralph

15:26:47 [Ralph]

Topic: Vocab Management

15:26:53 [Ralph]

Guus: we have 4 reviews

15:27:26 [Ralph]

... all 4 agree it's worthwhile to publish. Editor's should respond to comments and indicate changes to the document

15:27:52 [Ralph]

... if changes are major, may be a good idea to discuss with reviewers first

15:28:05 [Ralph]

Vit: one of the major points raised in the reviews concerns the Research Topics section

15:28:27 [Ralph]

... I proposed options to Elisa; we could either remove it or shorten it to two or three sentences

15:28:38 [Ralph]

... cite some references in case readers are interested

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... Tom seems to prefer to drop it

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... Ralph thought it interesting to keep

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... shortening may be the right compromise

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Ralph: I'd be happy with shortening the Research Topics section to a couple of sentences

15:30:23 [Ralph]

Tom: one point I raised was a connection between this document and our discussion on the policies regarding the SKOS vocabulary

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... issues with changes to the namespace and deprecated terms

15:31:12 [Ralph]

... if we're going to discuss this in Washington then whatever consensus we reach in Washington should be recorded in this VM notes

15:31:51 [vit]

ralph: pretty much the same point as tom

15:32:15 [Ralph]

Ralph: I absolutely agree that this VM Note is the place to document our design rationale for the SKOS namespace changes

15:32:22 [Ralph]

... will Vit and Elisa do that?

15:32:36 [Ralph]

Vit: I agree it should go in this document

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scribenick: vit

15:32:53 [vit]

guus: suggestion for agenda next week

15:33:08 [vit]

... distribute the preparation tasks for various SKOS issues for the f2f

15:33:31 [vit]

... ask all the issue owners

15:33:46 [vit]

tomb: just walk through the issues and make sure they'll be covered

15:34:15 [vit]

guus: all the issues should have the proposal ready in two weeks from now

15:34:21 [vit]

... 30 april would be ok

15:34:50 [vit]

tomb: next week we'll walk through all the issues

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guus: distribute all the related material on time

15:35:14 [Ralph]

s/30 april/29 april/

15:35:21 [vit]

tomb: every open issues?

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-swd-minutes.html Ralph

15:36:18 [Zakim]

-Ben_Adida

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-Daniel_Rubin

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-Quentin

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-Clay

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-berrueta

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-edsu

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-Guus

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-Antoine_Isaac

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-JonP

15:36:35 [Ralph]

zakim, list attendees

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-Margherita_Sini

15:36:43 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been Tom_Baker, +0122427aaaa, Quentin, Clay, Ralph, Vit, Daniel_Rubin, edsu, berrueta, Guus, JonP, Margherita_Sini, Antoine_Isaac, Ben_Adida

15:36:47 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-swd-minutes.html Ralph

15:37:37 [Zakim]

-Vit

15:37:45 [Zakim]

-Ralph

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-Tom_Baker

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SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Tom_Baker, +0122427aaaa, Quentin, Clay, Ralph, Vit, Daniel_Rubin, edsu, berrueta, Guus, JonP, Margherita_Sini, Antoine_Isaac, Ben_Adida

15:38:21 [Ralph]

zakim, bye

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