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14:58:01 <TomB> rrsagent, bookmark
14:58:01 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-swd-irc#T14-58-01
14:58:05 <TomB> zakim, this will be swd
14:58:05 <Zakim> ok, TomB, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started
14:58:11 <Zakim> + +0122427aaaa
14:58:11 <TomB> zakim, who is on the call?
14:58:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tom_Baker, +0122427aaaa
14:58:26 <TomB> zakim, aaaa is Quentin
14:58:26 <Zakim> +Quentin; got it
14:58:27 <Qreul> zakim, +0122427aaaa is Qreul
14:58:27 <Zakim> +[LC]
14:58:28 <Zakim> sorry, Qreul, I do not recognize a party named '+0122427aaaa'
14:58:32 <Clay> zakim, LC is Clay
14:58:32 <Zakim> +Clay; got it
14:58:41 <TomB> Meeting: SWD WG
14:58:45 <TomB> Chair: Tom
14:59:03 <TomB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Apr/0055.html
14:59:05 <Zakim> +??P26
14:59:20 <Zakim> +Ralph
14:59:21 <vit> zakim, +P26
14:59:22 <Zakim> I wonder where P26 is
14:59:22 <TomB> Regrets: Sean, Alistair
14:59:27 <vit> zakim, +P26 is me
14:59:27 <Zakim> sorry, vit, I do not recognize a party named '+P26'
14:59:31 <Ralph> zakim, ??p26 is Vit
14:59:31 <Zakim> +Vit; got it
14:59:44 <TomB> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/04/08-swd-minutes.html
15:00:02 <TomB> rrsagent, please make record public
15:00:04 <Ralph> Regrets+ Michael
15:00:09 <TomB> scribe: Vit
15:00:12 <TomB> scribenick: vit
15:00:27 <Zakim> +??P30
15:00:44 <Ralph> zakim, ??p30 is Daniel_Rubin
15:00:46 <Zakim> +Daniel_Rubin; got it
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15:01:32 <Zakim> +[LC]
15:02:07 <edsu> Zakim, LC is edsu
15:02:07 <Zakim> +edsu; got it
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15:02:50 <Zakim> +nacho
15:02:57 <berrueta> zakim, nacho is me
15:02:57 <Zakim> +berrueta; got it
15:03:19 <Zakim> +Guus
15:03:41 <Zakim> +JonP
15:03:51 <Zakim> +Margherita_Sini
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15:05:27 <vit> ACTION: Chairs to draft charter extension proposal for SKOS until July 1st [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action01]
15:05:33 <vit> --continues
15:06:30 <vit> tomb: ed & clay go on and add instructions related to f2f
15:06:46 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/WashingtonAgenda Washington F2F agenda
15:06:49 <vit> clay: writing up a page about logistics
15:06:57 <vit> ready by tomorrow
15:07:10 <vit> add it to wiki and post to list
15:07:51 <vit> wifi should be working
15:07:57 <edsu> Clay++
15:08:00 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
15:08:22 <Clay> de nada
15:08:33 <vit> tomb: update list of F2F participants if needed
15:08:45 <vit> .. edit wiki or drop a line
15:09:14 <vit> ACTION: Guus and Tom draft an agenda for the May f2f [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/08-swd-minutes.html#action02]
15:09:17 <vit> --done
15:09:27 <vit> TOPIC: SKOS
15:09:30 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Apr/0062.html "SKOS Reference editors' update" [Alistair 2008-04-14]
15:10:03 <vit> antoine: concerns related to semantics of OWL imports
15:10:03 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Apr/0063.html "SKOS-XL & label relations" [Alistair 2008-04-14]
15:10:30 <vit> ... implementation of imports may vary in OWL
15:10:45 <Zakim> -Guus
15:10:58 <vit> ... OWL spec is not clear in this respect
15:11:18 <vit> ... we can say that we recommend OWL imports 
15:11:22 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Apr/0056.html "primer on relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies" [Alistair 2008-04-14]
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15:11:40 <vit> ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer on relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies.  [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13]
15:11:44 <vit> --done
15:11:57 <vit> ACTION: Guus to write primer text re: broaderGeneric and equivalence w/r/t subclass [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08]
15:12:02 <vit> --continues
15:12:15 <vit> ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of rdfs isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10]
15:12:18 <vit> --continues
15:12:18 <Ralph> Regrets+ Simone
15:12:30 <Zakim> +??P62
15:12:47 <Guus> zakim, ??p62 is me
15:12:47 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
15:12:56 <vit> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action06
15:13:25 <vit> antoine: relations between label objects unclear... alistair proposed reification n-ary relation
15:13:46 <vit> ... solution: get all the possible patterns for this into the document
15:13:57 <vit> ... don't make a preferred choice
15:14:04 <vit> ACTION: Antoine will review Alistair's proposals w/r/t the relationship between the existing solution and the extension [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action06]
15:14:13 <vit> --continues
15:14:47 <vit> open skos issues
15:14:51 <vit> ACTION: Alistair to make a proposal for Issue 40 (Concept Coordination) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action09]
15:14:53 <vit> --continues
15:14:59 <vit> ACTION: Alistair to review Antoine and Guus' emails to move ISSUE-71 and -74 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action09]
15:15:02 <vit> --continues
15:15:49 <vit> tomb: agenda for the f2f - document editors should propose a way how to make use of the f2f time
15:16:05 <vit> ... look at the wiki and possibly change the agenda/topics
15:16:10 <vit> TOPIC: RDFa
15:16:18 <vit> ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] 
15:16:21 <vit> --continues
15:16:56 <vit> ben: small changes, but new editor's draft still needed
15:17:05 <vit> ...mark working on that
15:17:22 <vit> feedback would be welcome after the implementation and draft will be ready
15:18:10 <vit> ... get a draft out before the next meeting
15:18:17 <vit> ... depends on the TF approving this
15:18:35 <vit> ... primer draft looking pretty good, positive comments received
15:19:06 <vit> ... this week incorporating small changes to the syntax
15:19:15 <vit> ... primer draft by the next week
15:19:38 <vit> guus: w.r.t. charter extension proposal - what should we plan?
15:19:47 <vit> ben: let's be pesimistic
15:20:02 <vit> ... would go to CR in june
15:20:32 <vit> guus: depends on the implementation report
15:20:41 <vit> ben: no need to be pesimistic about that
15:21:49 <TomB> CR is just for implementation - for demonstrating that your spec can be implemented by two independent developers
15:22:20 <vit> guus: the main conversation happens when you go from last call to CR
15:22:31 <TomB> Guus: in OWL, from Last Call to CR - consider issues raised
15:22:35 <vit> ... in case of objections, can be a difficult discussion
15:23:14 <vit> ben: once the editor's draft is ready, we'll re-notify the previously contacted places
15:23:31 <vit> ... in pesimistic case CR end of june
15:23:37 <vit> ... period can be short
15:23:45 <vit> ... the implementations are already there
15:24:32 <vit> guus: so that will be in the charter extension proposal then
15:25:01 <vit> TOPIC: recipes
15:25:20 <vit> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] 
15:25:25 <vit> --continues
15:25:29 <vit> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
15:25:32 <vit> --continues
15:26:38 <Ralph> scribenick: ralph
15:26:47 <Ralph> Topic: Vocab Management
15:26:53 <Ralph> Guus: we have 4 reviews
15:27:26 <Ralph> ... all 4 agree it's worthwhile to publish.  Editor's should respond to comments and indicate changes to the document
15:27:52 <Ralph> ... if changes are major, may be a good idea to discuss with reviewers first
15:28:05 <Ralph> Vit: one of the major points raised in the reviews concerns the Research Topics section
15:28:27 <Ralph> ... I proposed options to Elisa; we could either remove it or shorten it to two or three sentences
15:28:38 <Ralph> ... cite some references in case readers are interested
15:28:56 <Ralph> ... Tom seems to prefer to drop it
15:29:11 <Ralph> ... Ralph thought it interesting to keep
15:29:30 <Ralph> ... shortening may be the right compromise
15:29:44 <Ralph> Ralph: I'd be happy with shortening the Research Topics section to a couple of sentences
15:30:23 <Ralph> Tom: one point I raised was a connection between this document and our discussion on the policies regarding the SKOS vocabulary
15:30:43 <Ralph> ... issues with changes to the namespace and deprecated terms
15:31:12 <Ralph> ... if we're going to discuss this in Washington then whatever consensus we reach in Washington should be recorded in this VM notes
15:31:51 <vit> ralph: pretty much the same point as tom
15:32:15 <Ralph> Ralph: I absolutely agree that this VM Note is the place to document our design rationale for the SKOS namespace changes
15:32:22 <Ralph> ... will Vit and Elisa do that?
15:32:36 <Ralph> Vit: I agree it should go in this document
15:32:47 <Ralph> scribenick: vit
15:32:53 <vit> guus: suggestion for agenda next week
15:33:08 <vit> ... distribute the preparation tasks for various SKOS issues for the f2f
15:33:31 <vit> ... ask all the issue owners 
15:33:46 <vit> tomb: just walk through the issues and make sure they'll be covered
15:34:15 <vit> guus: all the issues should have the proposal ready in two weeks from now
15:34:21 <vit> ... 30 april would be ok
15:34:50 <vit> tomb: next week we'll walk through all the issues 
15:35:05 <vit> guus: distribute all the related material on time
15:35:14 <Ralph> s/30 april/29 april/
15:35:21 <vit> tomb: every open issues?
15:35:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-swd-minutes.html Ralph
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15:36:35 <Ralph> zakim, list attendees
15:36:36 <Zakim> -Margherita_Sini
15:36:43 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Tom_Baker, +0122427aaaa, Quentin, Clay, Ralph, Vit, Daniel_Rubin, edsu, berrueta, Guus, JonP, Margherita_Sini, Antoine_Isaac, Ben_Adida
15:36:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-swd-minutes.html Ralph
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15:37:55 <Zakim> Attendees were Tom_Baker, +0122427aaaa, Quentin, Clay, Ralph, Vit, Daniel_Rubin, edsu, berrueta, Guus, JonP, Margherita_Sini, Antoine_Isaac, Ben_Adida
15:38:21 <Ralph> zakim, bye
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