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14:52:45 <marghe> rrsagent, bookmark
14:52:45 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-irc#T14-52-45
14:52:54 <marghe> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:52:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html marghe
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14:53:36 <marghe> Meeting: SWD WG
14:53:43 <marghe> Chair: Tom Baker
14:53:49 <marghe> Scribe: Margherita Sini
14:53:55 <marghe> Scribenick: marghe
14:54:02 <marghe> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0093.html
14:54:09 <marghe> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html
14:54:14 <marghe> Regrets: Sean, Vit
14:55:17 <marghe> rrsagent, please make record public
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14:56:21 <marghe> Zakim, +39065705aaaa is Marghe
14:56:23 <Zakim> sorry, marghe, I do not recognize a party named '+39065705aaaa'
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14:59:37 <marghe> zakim, who's here?
14:59:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see +039065705aaaa, Ralph
14:59:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see qreul, aliman, edsu, berrueta, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ralph, TomB, marghe
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15:00:18 <marghe> Zakim, aaaa is marghe
15:00:18 <Zakim> +marghe; got it
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15:00:35 <Zakim> +Tom_Baker
15:00:56 <qreul> Zakim, +0122427aabb is qreul
15:00:56 <Zakim> +qreul; got it
15:01:05 <marghe> zakim, who's here
15:01:08 <Zakim> marghe, you need to end that query with '?'
15:01:13 <Ralph> zakim, ??p10 is Alistair
15:01:13 <Zakim> +Alistair; got it
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15:02:55 <Zakim> +[LC]
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15:03:15 <Ralph> zakim, lc is EdSu
15:03:22 <Zakim> +EdSu; got it
15:03:27 <Ralph> zakim, ??p43 is DLRubin
15:03:34 <Zakim> +DLRubin; got it
15:03:39 <JonP> zakim, Jon_Phipps is me
15:03:44 <Zakim> +JonP; got it
15:04:44 <Ralph> Regrets+ Simone
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15:06:01 <marghe> TOPIC: ADMIN
15:06:06 <Zakim> +Antoine_Isaac
15:06:17 <marghe> Tom: Summertime started --> back to usual time
15:06:43 <marghe> ... March 18 conference: propose to accept
15:06:52 <marghe> no objections
15:07:00 <marghe> RESOLUTION: Minutes from March 18 accepted. 
15:07:28 <marghe> ACTION: Chairs to draft charter extension proposal for SKOS until July 1st [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action01]
15:07:31 <marghe> --continues
15:07:46 <marghe> Tom: Face-to-face meeting
15:08:10 <marghe> ... looks is Washington a good choice except for Alistar
15:08:39 <marghe> ... so maybe better in Europe?
15:09:20 <marghe> Tom: we come back to that later
15:09:26 <marghe> TOPIC: SKOS primer
15:09:36 <marghe> ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer on relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies.  [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13]
15:09:40 <marghe> --continues
15:09:49 <marghe> ACTION: Guus to write primer text re: broaderGeneric and equivalence w/r/t subclass [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08]
15:09:52 <marghe> --continues
15:10:09 <marghe> topic: SKOS Reference
15:10:25 <marghe> Tom: raised issues regarding NL definition
15:10:44 <marghe> ... if SKOS no use NL --> join 2005 definition?
15:11:19 <marghe> Alistar: on one hand having short definition is good for translation
15:12:01 <marghe> ... however no in the current skos because need revision (?)
15:12:14 <marghe> ... maybe we can add 2005 definition
15:12:35 <marghe> ... wonder if we can put the NL definition as comments?
15:12:53 <marghe> Tom: possible to move NL def to primer?
15:13:05 <marghe> Alistar: same challenge... 
15:13:13 <marghe> Antoine: will be the same problem
15:13:23 <marghe> ... if we agree we can use old definitions
15:13:32 <Zakim> +??P42
15:14:32 <edsu> david booth's email -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0047.html
15:14:42 <marghe> Tom: i prefere to have definitions so seems an editorial / technical issue
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15:15:14 <marghe> ... short definitions like owl will be good. Can we have an agreement ?
15:15:33 <Guus> zakim, ??p42 is me
15:15:33 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
15:15:51 <aliman> I think tom said owl has *no* per-term definitions
15:16:15 <Guus> sorry, seem to be muted
15:16:18 <Zakim> +Encarna
15:16:20 <marghe> s/will be good/has no per-term definitions
15:16:21 <Guus> one sec
15:16:23 <berrueta> zakim, Encarna is me
15:16:23 <Zakim> +berrueta; got it
15:16:52 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
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15:18:48 <marghe> ??: in favour of descritpion of short paragraph with one example
15:18:57 <marghe> ... including definition
15:19:29 <marghe> s/descritpion/description
15:21:18 <marghe> Alistar: in addition to the text of the reference will have a RDFS comment / URI
15:21:40 <TomB> Guus: we threw out the "comments" in OWL
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15:22:00 <TomB> ...would be in favor of putting short descriptions into an appendix
15:22:28 <TomB> Alistair: rdfs:comment is an annotation property in OWL
15:23:03 <TomB> Alistair: agrees with Guus that schema is for a machine so doesn't really need comments
15:23:49 <TomB> Alistair: Guus says we can have links to fragment identifiers
15:24:23 <marghe> Tom: are we in agreement? or should we have an issue?
15:24:29 <Guus> yes, link to frag id of the definition
15:24:38 <marghe> short text is necessary but point is wehere to put it?
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15:24:47 <marghe> s/wehere/where
15:25:20 <marghe> Alistar: I support multilinguality possiblities
15:25:21 <Zakim> -Guus
15:25:28 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
15:26:01 <marghe> ACTION: Sean to propose a way to handle deprecated properties
15:26:04 <marghe> --continues
15:26:16 <marghe> ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of rdfs isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html
15:26:20 <marghe> --continues
15:26:27 <marghe> topic: Relationships between labels
15:26:39 <marghe> [action] eXtension for Labels
15:26:45 <marghe> --continues
15:26:53 <marghe> topic: "Open" SKOS Issues
15:27:05 <marghe> [action] Issue-40
15:27:08 <marghe> --conitnue
15:27:12 <marghe> --continue
15:27:21 <marghe> ACTION: Alistair to make a proposal for Issue 40
15:27:26 <marghe> --continues
15:27:55 <marghe> Alistar: due to multiple dimension ...
15:28:00 <edsu> Graham Klyne's comments -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0092.html
15:28:10 <Zakim> +??P40
15:28:12 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0092.html "Comment on OWL formalism used in SKOS core" [Graham Klyne 2008-03-31]
15:28:22 <marghe> topic: RDFa
15:28:28 <Guus> zakim, ??p40 is me
15:28:28 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
15:28:41 <marghe> ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa 
15:28:48 <marghe> --continues
15:29:46 <marghe> ??:implementation report easy to put it together
15:29:50 <Ralph> s/??/Ben/
15:30:20 <marghe> .. primer is going to be put together, revised approch--> keep it simple, draft in the wiki
15:30:36 <marghe> s/approch/approach
15:31:22 <marghe> ??: got a review from yahoo
15:31:33 <marghe> ... got good comments, no significant change
15:31:47 <marghe> topic: RECIPES
15:31:57 <Ralph> s/??/Ben/
15:31:59 <edsu> benadida: have you seen the recent tag minutes re: CURIE?
15:32:07 <marghe> ACTION: Diego, Jon and Ralph to coordinate Recipes examples for w3c site [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html#action09]
15:32:08 <Ralph> s/adida:/adida,/
15:32:40 <marghe> --done
15:33:33 <marghe> Diego?: will be good have a uri containing the date? to have examples consistent with the document
15:33:56 <JonP> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/recipes/examples/
15:34:58 <marghe> agreed in principle
15:35:27 <marghe> Diego?: changes will effect this files
15:35:35 <berrueta> s/Diego?/Diego
15:36:43 <marghe> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] 
15:36:48 <marghe> --continues
15:36:52 <marghe> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
15:36:57 <marghe> --continues
15:37:05 <marghe> ACTION: Recipes editors to clarify and write some sentences for the title that spells out points Ed made for .htaccess and Apache [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action13]
15:38:05 <marghe> --continues
15:38:40 <marghe> Jon?: plan a new editor draft release today
15:38:57 <marghe> ... should we wait we solve other issues first?
15:39:26 <marghe> Diego: prefer wait a week, to fix typos, etc.
15:39:49 <marghe> topic: VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT 
15:40:06 <Guus> [i can hear]
15:40:09 <Ralph> Topic: F2F Meeting
15:40:19 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39408/FTF-May-2008-poll/results May F2F poll results
15:40:42 <Guus> availability of key editors
15:40:51 <Guus> ?
15:41:11 <marghe> Tom: problem of a US f-2-f meeting is Alistar participation
15:41:15 <Guus> alistair, antoine, ed, sean
15:41:19 <marghe> ... but can join remotely
15:41:33 <Guus> alistair has to be there, I think, in person
15:41:49 <Ralph> Ralph: yes, having Alistair in person seems critical to me
15:41:52 <marghe> ??: Sean cannot make that week
15:41:58 <Ralph> s/??/Alistair
15:42:12 <marghe> Alistar: telecon may be one option
15:42:35 <Guus> if sean cannot make it, alistair has to be there in person
15:43:02 <marghe> Tom: EU option for 6-7 are reasonable, but 7-8 only few people can be there
15:43:25 <Guus> I propose Tue-Wed 6-7 in A'dam
15:43:33 <marghe> ... Amsterdam Tuesd + wed seems better than 7-8
15:43:49 <marghe> Alistar: will look for US feasibility
15:43:55 <Guus> let's decide 6-7, venue either Adam or Wash
15:44:19 <Guus> we should fix at least the date
15:44:33 <marghe> Clay and Jon cannot do Amsterdam (?)
15:44:44 <marghe> decision: 6-7 Amsterdam ?
15:44:59 <Guus> first pref Washinton, 2nd pref A'dam
15:45:24 <marghe> Tom: either Amst or Wash on 6-7
15:45:41 <Guus> [alistair: US is very cheap now :-)]
15:47:24 <marghe> Jon, Ralph and Clay no in Amsterdam --> pref. remote or in person Alistar in Wash
15:47:35 <Guus> Propose to fix date 6-7
15:48:12 <Guus> agre with Tom
15:48:27 <marghe> TOPIC: VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT
15:48:48 <marghe> Tom: last week 2 reviewers (Diego and Marc)
15:49:01 <Guus> [i'm calling Mark now]
15:49:32 <marghe> Ton: we need Marc review as well
15:50:25 <marghe> ... in terms of process will be good to have signs at f-2-f meeting
15:50:56 <edsu> aliman: not sure if it'll make any difference but BWI is a possible destination airport for DC area
15:51:03 <marghe> Elisa: can go in W'ton 6-7 
15:51:25 <marghe> ... hard if Am'dam
15:51:35 <Guus> mark has agreed
15:51:37 <marghe> ... can do remotely in Am'dam
15:51:53 <Guus> hopefully in a week; t most 2 weeks
15:52:10 <marghe> RESOLVED: Mark will do the review
15:52:55 <Guus> [sry, have to go]
15:52:59 <marghe> Elisa: situation is good
15:53:03 <Ralph> ACTION: Guus to ask Mark van Assem to review VM Editor's Draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action17]
15:53:04 <Ralph> -- done
15:53:13 <TomB> [thanks Guus]
15:53:21 <marghe> ... will appreciate attention to v1.1 
15:53:55 <marghe> ... is time for other people to have a look
15:54:00 <Zakim> -Guus
15:54:22 <marghe> Tom: meeting adjourned.
15:54:22 <Ralph> Elisa: for those who care about OWL Full -- and I think this WG does -- it's time to look more closely at the OWL WG
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15:54:39 <Zakim> -berrueta
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15:54:42 <Zakim> -Alistair
15:54:42 <Zakim> -EdSu
15:54:44 <Zakim> -Antoine_Isaac
15:55:57 <Ralph> zakim, list attendees
15:55:57 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +039065705aaaa, Ralph, marghe, Tom_Baker, qreul, Alistair, EdSu, DLRubin, JonP, Antoine_Isaac, Guus, berrueta, Ben_Adida, Elisa_Kendall
15:56:05 <Ralph> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:56:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html Ralph
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16:02:26 <Zakim> Attendees were +039065705aaaa, Ralph, marghe, Tom_Baker, qreul, Alistair, EdSu, DLRubin, JonP, Antoine_Isaac, Guus, berrueta, Ben_Adida, Elisa_Kendall
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