IRC log of swd on 2008-04-01

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rrsagent, bookmark
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See http://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-irc#T14-52-45
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rrsagent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html marghe
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Meeting: SWD WG
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Chair: Tom Baker
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Scribe: Margherita Sini
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Scribenick: marghe
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0093.html
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Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html
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Regrets: Sean, Vit
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rrsagent, please make record public
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+ +039065705aaaa
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+Ralph
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Zakim, +39065705aaaa is Marghe
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sorry, marghe, I do not recognize a party named '+39065705aaaa'
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+??P9
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see +039065705aaaa, Ralph
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On IRC I see qreul, aliman, edsu, berrueta, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ralph, TomB, marghe
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+??P10
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Zakim, aaaa is marghe
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+marghe; got it
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+ +0122427aabb
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+Tom_Baker
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Zakim, +0122427aabb is qreul
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+qreul; got it
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zakim, who's here
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marghe, you need to end that query with '?'
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zakim, ??p10 is Alistair
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+Alistair; got it
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+[LC]
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+??P43
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+Jon_Phipps
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zakim, lc is EdSu
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+EdSu; got it
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zakim, ??p43 is DLRubin
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+DLRubin; got it
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zakim, Jon_Phipps is me
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+JonP; got it
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Regrets+ Simone
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TOPIC: ADMIN
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+Antoine_Isaac
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Tom: Summertime started --> back to usual time
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... March 18 conference: propose to accept
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no objections
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RESOLUTION: Minutes from March 18 accepted.
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ACTION: Chairs to draft charter extension proposal for SKOS until July 1st [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action01]
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--continues
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Tom: Face-to-face meeting
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... looks is Washington a good choice except for Alistar
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... so maybe better in Europe?
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Tom: we come back to that later
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TOPIC: SKOS primer
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ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer on relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13]
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ACTION: Guus to write primer text re: broaderGeneric and equivalence w/r/t subclass [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08]
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--continues
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topic: SKOS Reference
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Tom: raised issues regarding NL definition
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... if SKOS no use NL --> join 2005 definition?
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Alistar: on one hand having short definition is good for translation
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... however no in the current skos because need revision (?)
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... maybe we can add 2005 definition
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... wonder if we can put the NL definition as comments?
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Tom: possible to move NL def to primer?
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Alistar: same challenge...
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Antoine: will be the same problem
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... if we agree we can use old definitions
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+??P42
15:14:32 [edsu]
david booth's email -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0047.html
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Tom: i prefere to have definitions so seems an editorial / technical issue
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... short definitions like owl will be good. Can we have an agreement ?
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zakim, ??p42 is me
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+Guus; got it
15:15:51 [aliman]
I think tom said owl has *no* per-term definitions
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sorry, seem to be muted
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+Encarna
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s/will be good/has no per-term definitions
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one sec
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zakim, Encarna is me
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+berrueta; got it
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+Ben_Adida
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??: in favour of descritpion of short paragraph with one example
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... including definition
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s/descritpion/description
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Alistar: in addition to the text of the reference will have a RDFS comment / URI
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Guus: we threw out the "comments" in OWL
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...would be in favor of putting short descriptions into an appendix
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Alistair: rdfs:comment is an annotation property in OWL
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Alistair: agrees with Guus that schema is for a machine so doesn't really need comments
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Alistair: Guus says we can have links to fragment identifiers
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Tom: are we in agreement? or should we have an issue?
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yes, link to frag id of the definition
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short text is necessary but point is wehere to put it?
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s/wehere/where
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Alistar: I support multilinguality possiblities
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-Guus
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+Elisa_Kendall
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ACTION: Sean to propose a way to handle deprecated properties
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ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of rdfs isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html
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topic: Relationships between labels
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[action] eXtension for Labels
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topic: "Open" SKOS Issues
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[action] Issue-40
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--conitnue
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--continue
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ACTION: Alistair to make a proposal for Issue 40
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--continues
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Alistar: due to multiple dimension ...
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Graham Klyne's comments -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0092.html
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+??P40
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0092.html "Comment on OWL formalism used in SKOS core" [Graham Klyne 2008-03-31]
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topic: RDFa
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zakim, ??p40 is me
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+Guus; got it
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ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa
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??:implementation report easy to put it together
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s/??/Ben/
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.. primer is going to be put together, revised approch--> keep it simple, draft in the wiki
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s/approch/approach
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??: got a review from yahoo
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... got good comments, no significant change
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topic: RECIPES
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s/??/Ben/
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benadida: have you seen the recent tag minutes re: CURIE?
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ACTION: Diego, Jon and Ralph to coordinate Recipes examples for w3c site [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html#action09]
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s/adida:/adida,/
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--done
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Diego?: will be good have a uri containing the date? to have examples consistent with the document
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http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/recipes/examples/
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agreed in principle
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Diego?: changes will effect this files
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s/Diego?/Diego
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ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
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ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
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--continues
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ACTION: Recipes editors to clarify and write some sentences for the title that spells out points Ed made for .htaccess and Apache [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action13]
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Jon?: plan a new editor draft release today
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... should we wait we solve other issues first?
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Diego: prefer wait a week, to fix typos, etc.
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topic: VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT
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[i can hear]
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Topic: F2F Meeting
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-> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39408/FTF-May-2008-poll/results May F2F poll results
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availability of key editors
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?
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Tom: problem of a US f-2-f meeting is Alistar participation
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alistair, antoine, ed, sean
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... but can join remotely
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alistair has to be there, I think, in person
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Ralph: yes, having Alistair in person seems critical to me
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??: Sean cannot make that week
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s/??/Alistair
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Alistar: telecon may be one option
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if sean cannot make it, alistair has to be there in person
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Tom: EU option for 6-7 are reasonable, but 7-8 only few people can be there
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I propose Tue-Wed 6-7 in A'dam
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... Amsterdam Tuesd + wed seems better than 7-8
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Alistar: will look for US feasibility
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let's decide 6-7, venue either Adam or Wash
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we should fix at least the date
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Clay and Jon cannot do Amsterdam (?)
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decision: 6-7 Amsterdam ?
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first pref Washinton, 2nd pref A'dam
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Tom: either Amst or Wash on 6-7
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[alistair: US is very cheap now :-)]
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Jon, Ralph and Clay no in Amsterdam --> pref. remote or in person Alistar in Wash
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Propose to fix date 6-7
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agre with Tom
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TOPIC: VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT
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Tom: last week 2 reviewers (Diego and Marc)
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[i'm calling Mark now]
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Ton: we need Marc review as well
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... in terms of process will be good to have signs at f-2-f meeting
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aliman: not sure if it'll make any difference but BWI is a possible destination airport for DC area
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Elisa: can go in W'ton 6-7
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... hard if Am'dam
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mark has agreed
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... can do remotely in Am'dam
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hopefully in a week; t most 2 weeks
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RESOLVED: Mark will do the review
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[sry, have to go]
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Elisa: situation is good
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ACTION: Guus to ask Mark van Assem to review VM Editor's Draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action17]
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-- done
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[thanks Guus]
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... will appreciate attention to v1.1
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... is time for other people to have a look
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-Guus
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Tom: meeting adjourned.
15:54:22 [Ralph]
Elisa: for those who care about OWL Full -- and I think this WG does -- it's time to look more closely at the OWL WG
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-DLRubin
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-qreul
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-Elisa_Kendall
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-JonP
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-berrueta
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-Ben_Adida
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-Alistair
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-EdSu
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-Antoine_Isaac
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zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been +039065705aaaa, Ralph, marghe, Tom_Baker, qreul, Alistair, EdSu, DLRubin, JonP, Antoine_Isaac, Guus, berrueta, Ben_Adida, Elisa_Kendall
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/01-swd-minutes.html Ralph
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-Ralph
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-marghe
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-Tom_Baker
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Attendees were +039065705aaaa, Ralph, marghe, Tom_Baker, qreul, Alistair, EdSu, DLRubin, JonP, Antoine_Isaac, Guus, berrueta, Ben_Adida, Elisa_Kendall
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