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09:44:18 <PhilA> Meeting: mobileOK Pro Task Force
09:44:23 <PhilA> Chair: Kai
09:44:32 <PhilA> Present+ Kai, Alan, Phil
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09:45:49 <PhilA> scribeNick: Phil
09:45:57 <PhilA> scribeNick: PhilA
09:46:29 <PhilA> Phil: Proposed model that had mobileOK Basic as is plus recording the values for individual tests - i.e. not always pass/fail
09:46:36 <PhilA> Kai: What's the point?
09:47:05 <PhilA> Phil: It is achiveable and avoids placing a pass/fail threshhold on a subjective decision
09:47:18 <PhilA> ... mOK Pro therefore becomes true in the eye of the beholder
09:48:17 <PhilA> Kai: Then there is no sich thing as mOK Pro
09:48:40 <PhilA> Kai: Also last night we discussed... mOK Pro doesn't need to be a Rec Track doc, it can be a Note
09:49:28 <PhilA> Kai: We could give people a target to aim for
09:50:04 <PhilA> Alan: Is it not better to have a subset of the tests?
09:52:48 <PhilA> Kai: Even providing values as outcomes we still need to be more deterministic and to set goals for what we want people to do
09:53:14 <PhilA> Kai: So should we think about different levels of mOK Pro?
09:56:23 <PhilA> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: The TF would accept mOK Pro as a WG Note cf. Rec Track document
09:57:42 <PhilA> Resolution: Not passed (for now anyway)
09:59:54 <PhilA> Kai: we want to provide values for the tests - the question is whether we wasnt to set fixed threshholds for passing Pro
10:00:01 <PhilA> s/wasnt/wasn't/
10:02:46 <PhilA> More discussion on how we might work this... let's look at some tests. Discussion turns to editing the doc itself.
10:03:00 <PhilA> s/wasn't/want/
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11:05:44 <PhilA> We have edited the Access Keys test, made it more precise...
11:28:37 <PhilA> The Avoid Free Text test has also been amended. It now only refers to situations where there is a finite list of possible options
11:37:48 <achuter> http://juicystudio.com/services/colourcontrast.php#contrast
11:46:37 <achuter> New colour contrast analzer tool
11:46:39 <achuter> http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/contrast-analyser.html#download
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11:52:01 <achuter> We're deeply into discussing background image readability
11:52:42 <jo> [it's not the background image that needs to be readable, surely]
11:52:59 <achuter> agree
11:58:37 <achuter> [discussing colour gradients]
11:59:08 <achuter> PA: Patterns may make text unreadable even when contrast is good.
11:59:27 <achuter> scribenick achuter
12:00:43 <achuter> KD: [drawing on board] Contrast between adjacent colour areas may be sufficient but interfere with text shapes.
12:07:53 <achuter> [look at Ishihara Test for Color Blindness as examples of what fails]
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12:08:00 <achuter> http://www.toledo-bend.com/colorblind/Ishihara.html
12:22:41 <achuter> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishihara_color_test
12:31:37 <PhilA> And we've just improved the background images test, essentially deferring its essence to the colour contrast test which is deterministic
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12:48:49 <PhilA> The balance test has been reduced and simplified. If any page has more than 30 links - fail. (Things like site maps with more than 30 links should be split across several pages, for example)
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13:02:35 <achuter> Stopping for lunch now...
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14:33:27 <achuter> [Back from lunch]
14:34:13 <achuter> Have continued reviewing 4.6 Device Capabilities test.
14:34:34 <achuter> Continuing with 4.7 Central Meaning and Limited test
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16:09:39 <achuter> we finished with the control labelling test.
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16:11:46 <francois> RRSAgent, bye
16:11:46 <RRSAgent> I see no action items