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13:25:19 <Christophe> Zakim, this will be tsdtf
13:25:19 <Zakim> ok, Christophe; I see WAI_TSDTF()9:30AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
13:25:38 <Christophe> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Mar/0008.html
13:25:56 <Christophe> Meeting: TSD TF
13:26:12 <Christophe> Chair: CarlosV, Christophe
13:26:29 <Christophe> Agenda+ Next steps for current repository content
13:26:44 <Christophe> Agenda+ Review of test samples
13:26:56 <Christophe> Agenda+ Naming convention and test suite ID in metadata
13:27:08 <Christophe> Agenda+ Review of action items
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13:31:49 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()9:30AM has now started
13:31:56 <Zakim> +??P9
13:31:57 <shadi> zakim, code?
13:31:57 <Zakim> the conference code is 8783 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi
13:32:11 <Christophe> zakim, ??p9 is Christophe_Strobbe
13:32:11 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe; got it
13:32:13 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:32:22 <Zakim> +Cooper
13:34:51 <Christophe> Regrets+ CarlosV
13:35:25 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
13:37:17 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
13:37:27 <Christophe> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:37:27 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Next steps for current repository content" taken up [from Christophe]
13:39:05 <MichaelC> cs: checking in on status from last meeting
13:39:28 <MichaelC> ... have there been diffs from last WCAG draft to current one?
13:40:11 <MichaelC> mc: haven't done anything, waiting to offer assistance
13:40:43 <MichaelC> cs: decision about updating test cases was dependent on that
13:42:33 <MichaelC> mc: can work with someone
13:42:48 <MichaelC> ... straightforward diff off XML might not give you just what you need
13:43:05 <MichaelC> ... should do a "strategic" diff
13:43:26 <MichaelC> saz: suggest action remain with BenToWeb person as they'll know what's needed
13:45:47 <MichaelC> mc: will send source files to Carlos
13:47:09 <MichaelC> cs: need to know which SC have changed substantively, and then need to estimate how much time needed to update test samples
13:48:07 <MichaelC> saz: estimate how much needs to change, and understand which requirements seem to be stable (focus on them first)
13:49:17 <Christophe> zakim, take up agendum 2
13:49:17 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review of test samples" taken up [from Christophe]
13:50:03 <MichaelC> cs: Tim's review of test samples http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Jan/0009.html
13:50:14 <MichaelC> ... further discussion in previous calls and on list
13:51:19 <MichaelC> saz: naming and ID for next agendum
13:52:08 <MichaelC> cs: question about versioning
13:53:01 <MichaelC> mc: is an issue, though perhaps now not so much since significant changes not expected unless WCAG bounces back to WD again
13:53:43 <MichaelC> saz: ID does indirectly indicate the version
13:53:54 <MichaelC> cs: techniques also have dated references
13:54:57 <MichaelC> saz: does date appear in HTML view generated from metadata of tests?
13:55:27 <MichaelC> cs: yes for Bentoweb tests, but not sure for TCDL
13:55:52 <MichaelC> saz: implementing that would help in the future
13:56:41 <Christophe> http://canada.esat.kuleuven.be/bentoweb/tsdtf/xhtml/index.html
13:57:43 <shadi> http://canada.esat.kuleuven.be/bentoweb/tsdtf/xhtml/metadata/sc1.1.1_l1_002.html
13:59:16 <MichaelC> saz: looking at examples above, finding references to dated versions
13:59:58 <MichaelC> ... maybe we need date to be visible, however
14:03:02 <MichaelC> mc: if we have test samples against several dated versions would be important, otherwise not
14:03:29 <MichaelC> saz: if WCAG opens techniques documents, could cause date versions to become relevant
14:05:09 <MichaelC> mc: both latest version and dated version will be available, we can use which we want
14:05:37 <MichaelC> ... suggest we use dated version
14:05:53 <MichaelC> ... and WCAG process for updating techniques would need to include a trigger to review test case(s)
14:05:53 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
14:08:05 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL#structure
14:08:28 <MichaelC> saz: this case might affect our directory structure and naming conventions
14:08:36 <shadi> tests/xhtml/metadata
14:08:48 <shadi> tests/20070102/xhtml/metadata
14:09:25 <MichaelC> saz: suggest adding datespace to the repository structure, as shown above
14:09:37 <MichaelC> cs: is it necessary? hard to separate versions
14:13:31 <MichaelC> cs: wonder about extracting SC titles from an external doc
14:13:36 <MichaelC> mc: suggest using WCAG source itself
14:13:41 <MichaelC> cs: need to use back-dated versions sometimes
14:13:54 <MichaelC> mc: can pull them out of CVS and run locally
14:15:48 <MichaelC> ... it's possible to get a URL to a particular CVS version as well, though that might be Team only feature
14:15:55 <MichaelC> ... can provide dated version on demand
14:16:12 <MichaelC> s/can/Michael can
14:17:06 <MichaelC> tb: next issue - information about user environment needed to execute test
14:19:02 <MichaelC> mc: prefer just to identify the technology used, and you assume you have software that supports it
14:19:19 <MichaelC> ... could be chicken-and-egg with respect to "accessibility supported"
14:19:44 <MichaelC> tb: satisfied as long as user has information needed to construct the test environment
14:20:52 <MichaelC> mc: it should be case that users can find accessibility support information if needed
14:21:13 <MichaelC> ... would only need to check if there was a problem executing test in a given UA
14:22:22 <MichaelC> cs: we assume user has environment needed to execute tests, is that ok?
14:23:09 <MichaelC> tb: just want user to be able to find what they need
14:23:23 <MichaelC> mc: a MIME type should be sufficient, and people able to run tests should know info needed
14:24:31 <Christophe> http://canada.esat.kuleuven.be/bentoweb/tsdtf/xhtml/metadata/sc1.2.1_l1_001.html
14:25:17 <MichaelC> cs: do see in above example, video relied on but video format not listed in metadata
14:25:29 <MichaelC> ... should add that info
14:25:57 <MichaelC> saz: we're focusing on developing test samples based on test procedures for techniques
14:26:40 <MichaelC> ... some issues might be relevant, e.g., <embed>, but that info should be in test procedure
14:28:15 <MichaelC> ... we should be careful not to interpret in a way that adds restrictions
14:29:18 <MichaelC> mc: suggest adding MIME type(s) to test case metadata should be sufficient
14:29:26 <MichaelC> <agreement>
14:30:44 <MichaelC> saz: updated TCDL document http://www.w3.org/mid/47DEA604.70100@w3.org, please let me know if comments
14:30:51 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
14:30:53 <Zakim> -Cooper
14:30:53 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:30:56 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
14:30:57 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
14:30:57 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()9:30AM has ended
14:30:58 <Zakim> Attendees were Christophe_Strobbe, Shadi, Cooper, Carlos_Iglesias, Tim_Boland
14:31:22 <shadi> zakim, bye
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14:31:36 <RRSAgent> I see no action items