IRC log of rdfa on 2008-03-13

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-irc

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14:47:31 [Steven]

zakim, this will be rdfa

14:47:31 [Zakim]

ok, Steven; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes

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rrsagent, make log public

14:47:55 [Steven]

:-)

14:48:12 [Steven]

Shall I fill in the initial details since I've done it so often?

14:48:39 [mhausenblas]

zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)

14:48:39 [Zakim]

ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes

14:48:56 [mhausenblas]

Meeting: W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2008-03-13, 15:00 UTC

14:49:08 [mhausenblas]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/0165.html

14:49:39 [mhausenblas]

-> http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes previous 2008-03-06

14:50:02 [Steven]

good man

14:50:40 [Steven]

Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/0165

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ScribeNick: mhausenblas

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Chair: Ben

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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:)

14:53:46 [mhausenblas]

good to 'see' you again, Ralph

14:53:54 [Ralph]

you too, Michael!

14:54:01 [mhausenblas]

btw, people, did I tell you about irs?

14:54:03 [mhausenblas]

http://143.224.254.32/irs/

14:54:12 [mhausenblas]

kinda RDFa generator for linked-data

14:54:19 [Ralph]

you've made it public no :)

14:54:24 [Ralph]

s/no/now/

14:54:44 [mhausenblas]

sure, np. I already did yesterday on #swig ;)

14:54:49 [Ralph]

:)

14:55:16 [Ralph]

"results in XHTML+RDFa ..." ! :)

14:55:26 [Steven]

and on teh wiki if I'm not mistaken

14:55:47 [mhausenblas]

true, Steven-eagle-eye ;)

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SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

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+Ralph

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+??P2

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-??P2

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+??P2

14:58:57 [msporny]

zakim, I am ??P2

14:59:00 [Zakim]

+msporny; got it

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+Michael_Hausenblas

15:00:20 [Steven]

zakim, dial steven-617

15:00:20 [Zakim]

ok, Steven; the call is being made

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+Steven

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+ +1.763.767.aaaa

15:00:50 [ShaneM]

zakim, aaaa is ShaneM

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+ShaneM; got it

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15:06:38 [ShaneM]

ben says two more minutes

15:07:03 [markbirbeck]

zakim, code?

15:07:03 [Zakim]

the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck

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+Ben_Adida

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+??P22

15:07:55 [markbirbeck]

zakim, i am ?

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+markbirbeck; got it

15:08:10 [mhausenblas]

Topic: Action Items

15:08:28 [mhausenblas]

Ben: LC ends next Friday

15:08:40 [Steven]

q+

15:08:50 [Steven]

q-

15:09:02 [mhausenblas]

... if the issues are not fixed, we might need to extend LC period

15:10:26 [mhausenblas]

Ralph: There is nothing on the table to make us extend it, however

15:10:31 [Steven]

LC period is the time that people can send comments; not the time we need to resolve the issues

15:10:41 [mhausenblas]

-> http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes#ActionSummary

15:10:52 [Steven]

we need to resolve all issues before going to CR

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Shane: All LC comments in tracker?

15:11:46 [Steven]

q+

15:11:47 [mhausenblas]

Ben: up to last three days: yes

15:12:01 [Steven]

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule

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ack Steven

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Steven: Schedule correct? Doesn't list CR?

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ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule to include CR

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[NEW] ACTION: Ben to followup with Johannes on his satisfaction with issue 88 resolution [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action05]

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-- done

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[NEW] ACTION: Mark to summarize issue 97 and 3 options for XMLLiteral to mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

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-- done

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[NEW] ACTION: Mark update editor's draft with issue 89 resolution [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

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-- done

15:14:57 [mhausenblas]

is it http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080103/ ?

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[NEW] ACTION: Mark/Shane include issue 89 correction in Changes section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]

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-- continues

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[PENDING] ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

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-- continues

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I'm logging. I don't understand 'pleaes draft minutes', Ralph. Try /msg RRSAgent help

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph

15:15:54 [mhausenblas]

[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

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-- withdraw

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Ben: Wiki FUP

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[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to email mailing list to think about last substantive issue on tracker: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/6 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]

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-- done

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Ben: related to ISSUE 97

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[PENDING] ACTION: Ben to respond to issue 87 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

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-- continues

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[PENDING] ACTION: Manu write a response to Christian Hoertnagl for issue 7 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/21-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

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-- continues

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[PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

15:17:59 [mhausenblas]

-- withdraw

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ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki

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Topic: Discussion of @profile/DOCTYPE

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Ralph: Heads-up - conversion with Norm Walsh

15:20:00 [mhausenblas]

... TAG may discuss the FYN issue

15:20:14 [Ralph]

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/28 issue 28 Follow your nose

15:21:19 [mhausenblas]

Shane: I proposed a solution (a SHOULD ?)

15:22:02 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/0029.html "Re: RDFa test case #1 missing @profile?" [Shance 2008-03-03]

15:22:08 [Ralph]

s/Shance/Shane/

15:22:59 [markbirbeck]

s/conversion with/conversation with/

15:23:59 [mhausenblas]

Ralph: TAG might have objections if not a MUST

15:24:24 [mhausenblas]

Mark: I disagree; more flexible solutions are at hand (after reading a lot of minutes)

15:25:15 [mhausenblas]

Michael: IMHO the TAG has a clear position on that as well (cf. http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/selfDescribingDocuments#UsingRDFa )

15:25:16 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Feb/0024.html "Re: Best Practices Issue: RDF Format Discovery" [Ben 2008-02-06]

15:25:31 [markbirbeck]

s/more flexible solutions are at hand/there seems to be some sympathy to being flexible, amongst some TAG members/

15:27:05 [Steven]

q+

15:27:09 [mhausenblas]

Shane: doc, UA, and processing conformance

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... in the Syntax

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ack Steven

15:28:06 [markbirbeck]

q+

15:28:19 [Ralph]

q+

15:28:34 [mhausenblas]

Steven: Validating issues, as well - it is up to consumer to decide

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ack markbirbeck

15:29:07 [msporny]

+1 to Mark's plea to move on to other issues.

15:29:48 [mhausenblas]

Mark: We'll see and we are properly prepared with arguments

15:30:24 [ShaneM]

Editors draft updated at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080313/

15:32:48 [mhausenblas]

Topic: Test Cases

15:33:30 [mhausenblas]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/0127.html

15:35:55 [mhausenblas]

Michael: RDFa TC results; Manu to integrate the generalised EARL generator for the RDFa IR

15:36:35 [mhausenblas]

ACTION: Manu to enable EARL output in RDFa Test Harness

15:37:09 [mhausenblas]

Ben: JS version on the way

15:37:16 [mhausenblas]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

15:37:22 [mhausenblas]

Topic: Issues

15:38:05 [mhausenblas]

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/90

15:38:19 [mhausenblas]

Ben: adding "top" and "first" to reserved values ?

15:38:35 [mhausenblas]

Steven: XHTML2 has done it, I believe

15:38:41 [mhausenblas]

Shane seconds

15:39:47 [mhausenblas]

Ben: Propose to resolve XHTML2 decision

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PROPOSE to accept XHTML2 WG decision on reserved keywords

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+1

15:40:32 [msporny]

+1

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RESOLVED: ISSUE-90

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/91

15:41:16 [msporny]

+1 to kill ISSUE 91 paragraph per Mark's argument.

15:41:31 [mhausenblas]

Ben: Should we remove the paragraph as per Mark

15:41:40 [mhausenblas]

... cf. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/0048.html

15:43:14 [benadida]

"If an XML dialect that supports @xml:base eventually implements RDFa,

15:43:14 [benadida]

> the RDFa parser for that host language will likely process @xml:base and

15:43:14 [benadida]

> use its value to set [base]."

15:47:05 [mhausenblas]

Ben: clear language and remove the misleading example

15:47:47 [mhausenblas]

MArk: remove Appendix A?

15:48:06 [mhausenblas]

... but move other lang sutff up

15:48:16 [mhausenblas]

s/sutff/stuff

15:48:50 [benadida]

PROPOSE: we remove the xml:base example, and move the xml:base description (minus example) into the main text, removing appendix A.

15:48:55 [mhausenblas]

+1

15:49:52 [mhausenblas]

Manu: but don't put it in the processing rules section

15:50:10 [mhausenblas]

RESOLVED: ISSUE-91

15:50:39 [mhausenblas]

Ben: Issues 93-94 via mailing list

15:50:56 [mhausenblas]

... and issue 95, as well

15:51:04 [markbirbeck]

http://web.resource.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/

15:51:14 [mhausenblas]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

15:53:10 [mhausenblas]

Mark: leverage RSS and AtomOwl stuff

15:54:16 [mhausenblas]

Ben: how about XHTMLLiteral?

15:56:28 [mhausenblas]

Mark: For example <content:encoded> from RSS content modules

15:56:50 [markbirbeck]

s/leverage RSS/some reading I've been doing points to the possibility of leveraging RSS/

15:57:29 [ShaneM]

implemented issue 91 fix. In the draft at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080313/#sec_5.5.

15:58:18 [mhausenblas]

Mark: RDFa Syntax is quite clear about this

15:58:39 [markbirbeck]

s/RDFa Syntax/RDFa Concepts/

15:58:56 [markbirbeck]

oops...sorry Michael!

15:59:09 [msporny]

:)

15:59:13 [markbirbeck]

I've made a mess there.......

15:59:24 [Steven]

q+

16:00:22 [mhausenblas]

Ben: RDFa Primer will take a new route; volunteers?

16:00:28 [mhausenblas]

ack Steven

16:00:35 [Steven]

q+

16:01:21 [ShaneM]

q+

16:01:28 [mhausenblas]

Michael: Volunteers to chime into the RDFa Primer

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

16:01:55 [Zakim]

-Ben_Adida

16:03:05 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Oct/0129.html "Re: ODF and semantic web" [Mark 2007-10-14]

16:04:12 [markbirbeck]

Svante Schubert

16:06:12 [mhausenblas]

Steven: http://rdfa.info/2008/03/13/rdfa-support-coming-in-odf-12/

16:07:34 [ShaneM]

q-

16:07:39 [ShaneM]

q-

16:08:39 [mhausenblas]

adjourne

16:08:40 [Zakim]

-Steven

16:08:51 [Ralph]

[adjourned]

16:08:54 [Zakim]

-Michael_Hausenblas

16:08:57 [Steven]

Svante is also ion the CSS WG

16:09:03 [mhausenblas]

Zakim, list attendees

16:09:03 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been Ralph, msporny, Michael_Hausenblas, Steven, +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM, Ben_Adida, markbirbeck

16:09:04 [Steven]

s/ion/on/

16:09:15 [mhausenblas]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

16:10:29 [Ralph]

rrsagent, stop

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-Ralph

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SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Ralph, msporny, Michael_Hausenblas, Steven, +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM, Ben_Adida, markbirbeck

16:24:15 [Ralph]

zakim, bye

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rrsagent, bye

16:24:17 [RRSAgent]

I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule to include CR [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-irc#T15-13-08

16:24:17 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [2]

16:24:17 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-irc#T15-18-42

16:24:17 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Manu to enable EARL output in RDFa Test Harness [3]

16:24:17 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-irc#T15-36-35