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15:00:16 <Ralph> Meeting: SWD WG
15:00:21 <qreul> should i try to call back?
15:00:27 <Ralph> zakim, who's on the call?
15:00:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see +0122427aaaa
15:00:35 <Zakim> +[LC]
15:00:40 <Zakim> +??P15
15:00:45 <Zakim> +Ralph
15:00:51 <Zakim> + +1.312.059.aabb
15:00:51 <Clay> zakim, LC is Clay
15:00:51 <Zakim> +Clay; got it
15:01:08 <qreul> zakim, +0122427aaaa is qreul
15:01:08 <Zakim> +qreul; got it
15:01:18 <Antoine> Antoine has joined #swd
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15:01:27 <Zakim> -??P15
15:01:50 <Zakim> +Antoine_Isaac
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15:02:01 <Zakim> +Jon_Phipps
15:02:16 <Antoine> scribenick: Antoine
15:02:19 <Zakim> +[CTIC]
15:02:28 <Ralph> zakim, ctic is Diego
15:02:34 <Zakim> +Diego; got it
15:02:39 <JonP> zakim, Jon_Phipps is me
15:02:40 <Zakim> +JonP; got it
15:02:44 <Zakim> +??P34
15:02:48 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
15:02:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see qreul, Clay, Ralph, +1.312.059.aabb, Antoine_Isaac, JonP, Diego, ??P34
15:02:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see Guus, edsu, Antoine, JonP, RRSAgent, Clay, Tom, qreul, berrueta, Zakim, Ralph
15:03:11 <Ralph> zakim, aabb is Guus
15:03:26 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
15:05:40 <Zakim> +[LC]
15:05:54 <edsu> zakim, LC is edsu
15:05:54 <Zakim> +edsu; got it
15:06:50 <Zakim> +Tom
15:07:27 <Zakim> -??P34
15:07:46 <Antoine> Topic: Admin
15:08:14 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0031.html
15:08:31 <Zakim> +??P34
15:08:31 <Antoine> PROPOSED to accept minutes of the Mar 4 telecon:
15:08:31 <Antoine>       http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-minutes.html 
15:08:49 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-minutes.html previous 2008-03-04
15:08:58 <Ralph> zakim, ??p34 is Tom
15:08:58 <Zakim> +Tom; got it
15:09:28 <Antoine> RESOLVED: to accept accept minutes of the Mar 4 telecon: http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-minutes.html 
15:09:35 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
15:09:54 <Antoine> ACTION: Chairs to draft charter extension proposal for SKOS until July 1st [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action01] 
15:09:57 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public
15:10:02 <Antoine> -- CONTINUES
15:10:12 <Antoine> Guus: this action will stay for another month
15:10:19 <Ralph> Chair: Guus
15:10:29 <Antoine> Guus: F2F Meeting
15:11:18 <Antoine> Tom: I cannot attend on Friday
15:11:22 <Ralph> [I need to be back in the US by Wednesday night]
15:11:27 <Antoine> Guus: Tuesday-wednesday
15:11:35 <Antoine> Tom: OK with me
15:11:54 <Antoine> Guus: I'll set up a poll for this
15:12:39 <Antoine> Guus: venue: London or Amsterdam?
15:13:43 <Antoine> Guus: who could host in London? Alistair is not there.
15:13:53 <Antoine> Tom: we need to ask
15:14:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html Ralph
15:14:16 <Antoine> Ed: any option is fine with me
15:14:38 <Antoine> Guus: Washington could be an option
15:15:07 <Antoine> Ed: we can look into that
15:15:16 <Ralph> s/that/LC hosting/
15:15:39 <Ralph> s/Jon/Ed/
15:16:23 <Antoine> ACTION: Guus to set up a poll for a meeting 6-8 may with different possible venues Amsterdam, Boston, London or Washington
15:16:39 <JonP> :)
15:16:49 <Antoine> Topic: SKOS
15:17:01 <Ralph> Regrets: Alistair,Elisa, Daniel, Sean, Margherita
15:17:09 <Antoine> ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer on relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13] 
15:17:15 <Antoine> -- CONTINUES
15:17:31 <Antoine> Ed: I had some difficulties with the wiki
15:18:12 <edsu> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables
15:18:21 <Antoine> ... Antoine might have updated it
15:18:29 <Antoine> Antoine: not since publication
15:19:13 <Antoine> Tom: still missing the target dates
15:19:37 <edsu> Ralph: if you have time could we try to see what my wiki problems are after the call?
15:19:38 <Antoine> ... if they're the same as the Reference this could be added
15:20:13 <Antoine> Antoine: formal status on Primer?
15:20:49 <Antoine> Guus: RDFa: Primer is note, Reference recommendation
15:21:15 <Antoine> ... OWL: both references
15:21:23 <Antoine> Ralph: it's up to WG to decide
15:22:56 <Antoine> Guus: I can live with either way
15:23:13 <Antoine> ... suggest we let it open for the moment
15:23:33 <Antoine> -- SKOS Reference (Alistair, Sean) 
15:23:50 <Antoine> Guus: not much comments
15:23:59 <Antoine> ACTION: Sean to propose a way to handle deprecated properties (updating RDF schema) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action06] 
15:24:02 <Antoine> -- CONTINUES
15:24:10 <Antoine> ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of rdfs isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10] 
15:24:13 <Antoine> -- CONTINUES
15:24:28 <Antoine> -- SKOS-XL: eXtension for Labels
15:24:47 <Antoine> Guus: let's wait till Alistair is here
15:25:05 <Antoine> "Open" SKOS Issues - http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/3 
15:25:21 <Antoine> Guus: I added a mail to the agenda
15:25:30 <Antoine> ... thought on specialization of relations
15:25:52 <Antoine> ... I would go for a minimum set of specializations we really understand
15:26:18 <Antoine> ... there are definitively issues with defining the semantics of predefined extensions
15:26:40 <Antoine> ... e.g. broaderGeneric as sub-propery of subClassOf
15:27:02 <Antoine> Topic: RDFa
15:27:30 <Antoine> Ben: we're getting very good comments
15:27:42 <Antoine> ... there is a couple of issues we're still loking at
15:27:48 <Antoine> ... people are looking at the details
15:28:04 <Antoine> ... we want to rush asap a quick-fix to the Primer
15:28:16 <Antoine> ... what would be the process?
15:28:38 <Antoine> .. there is no real change in the flows/examples
15:29:09 <edsu> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0032.html
15:29:15 <Antoine> Guus: brief round: Diege, Ed can you look at the changes in the mail?
15:29:33 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/primer/20080310/ RDFa Primer editor's draft
15:30:30 <Antoine> Ed: the Primer has grown and grown
15:30:34 <Antoine> s/Ed/Ben
15:32:01 <Antoine> Ben: the document has been reviewed in the context of the TF
15:32:09 <Antoine> Diego: no reason to hold the change
15:32:13 <Antoine> Ed: OK
15:32:57 <Tom> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0032.html
15:33:18 <edsu> ben++ # for rapid fixes to the primer
15:33:43 <Antoine> RESOLVED to publish a new version of the RDFa Primer as proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0032.html
15:35:05 <Antoine> ACTION: Ralph and Ben to publish web version of the new RDFa Primer
15:36:30 <Antoine> Guus: do we have any ideas on TAG review?
15:36:51 <Antoine> Ralph: participants of the TAG expressed the intention to make comments
15:37:07 <Antoine> ... no indication for the TAG making a formal review
15:37:32 <Antoine> Guus: so we can close the comment period to march 18
15:37:59 <Antoine> Ralph: the EARL (?) group might make a review
15:38:15 <Ralph> s/(?)//
15:38:29 <Antoine> Guus: March 21 in fact
15:38:39 <Antoine> ... is still assume to be the deadline
15:39:03 <Antoine> Ben: we're in good shape for application report
15:39:21 <Antoine> ... 3/4 implementations before the end of April
15:39:52 <Antoine> Guus: has the process for Candidate Rec changed since the last 3-4 years?
15:40:16 <Antoine> ... has Tim been following this?
15:40:26 <Antoine> ... or will Steve dot it?
15:40:34 <Antoine> Ralph: I will ask
15:41:30 <Antoine> Ralph: one comment might be whether we should change the document regarding profile URI
15:42:06 <Antoine> ... during the candidate rec we might specify this requirement
15:43:13 <Antoine> ... for the transition from candidate rec to rec we could make the change
15:43:24 <Antoine> ... to satisfy the reviewers
15:43:47 <Antoine> Guus: if we make the change which is a design one should we go back to 1st call?
15:44:03 <Antoine> Ralph: we can make changes at this point
15:44:14 <Antoine> ... once we're in CR it's different
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15:45:34 <Antoine> ... we need to note the changes
15:45:50 <Antoine> Guus: what if the comments happens and is an objection?
15:46:00 <Zakim> +Marghe
15:46:30 <Antoine> Ben: if this is the one sticky point it's ok
15:46:54 <Antoine> ... we can make an answer
15:48:13 <Antoine> ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] 
15:48:25 <Antoine> -- CONTINUES
15:48:48 <Antoine> ACTION: Ben to clarify target date of publication of primer as note and update deliverables page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-minutes.html#action08] 
15:48:54 <Antoine> -- CONTINUES
15:49:03 <Antoine> Ben: we'll be pushing on the Primer in March
15:50:00 <Antoine> Guus: we should freeze the Primer for May 1
15:50:04 <Antoine> Ben: OK
15:50:12 <Antoine> Topic: Recipes
15:50:38 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Mar/0036.html "[Recipes] roadmap to the next draft" [Diego 2008-03-11]
15:50:41 <Antoine> Guus: Diego sent a mail on the issues to make the document a note
15:51:01 <Antoine> Diego: first one regards the example
15:51:08 <Antoine> ... moving the exampl to other domain
15:51:28 <Antoine> ... can be done very quicky, except if we move to w3c.org
15:52:06 <Antoine> Jon: is it something we can do with CVS access?
15:52:32 <Antoine> Ralph: feel free to do so
15:53:40 <Antoine> ACTION: Diego, Jon and Ralph to coordinate files for w3c site?
15:53:47 <Antoine> s/?//
15:53:55 <Ralph> s/files/Recipes examples/
15:54:03 <Antoine> Diego: next comment is for recipes n6
15:54:11 <Antoine> ... management of white spaces
15:54:16 <Antoine> ... very simple addition
15:54:37 <Ralph> q+
15:54:40 <Antoine> Guus: I'd like to have the comment on the WG space
15:55:14 <Antoine> Ralph: I'm not sure this is a useful thing, it makes the recipe less clear
15:55:53 <Antoine> Diego: I 'll ask the commenter to move the discussion on the WG list
15:55:56 <Ralph> the whitespace escaping technique is _useful_ from a practical standpoint but it makes the example more obscure
15:56:51 <Antoine> Diego: other comments needs discussion
15:57:06 <Antoine> ... 4 issues raised by Ian Davis
15:57:33 <Antoine> ... we would like to get opinion from the previous editors
15:57:48 <Antoine> ... on vocabulary URI vs. vocabulary document URI
15:57:50 <Tom> I would like to see this in context
15:58:43 <Antoine> Tom: what we need is namespace URI
15:59:01 <Tom> +1 to Ralph's suggestion
15:59:14 <Antoine> ... what we can say is mention namespace URI an example
15:59:25 <Antoine> s/T/Rl
15:59:38 <Antoine> s/Tom/Ralph
16:00:35 <Ralph> Ralph: we use "vocabulary URI" to mean "namespace URI" but "namespace URI" is a term of art in SemWeb and we thought it better for new users to not use "namespace URI".  The first time we use "vocabulary URI" we can say "also known as 'namespace URI'"
16:00:39 <Ralph> Guus: and give an example
16:01:21 <Antoine> Jon: about Htaddress problem
16:01:33 <Antoine> Guus: can we have it as an appendix?
16:01:53 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/58 issue 58
16:02:04 <Antoine> s/Htaddress/ISSUE-58
16:03:14 <Antoine> Ralph : no one seems to have a simple solution
16:03:39 <Antoine> Diego: propose to let the document like that and mention that no simple solution could be found
16:03:58 <Ralph> s/simple solution/simple solution to handling q values in .htaccess/
16:04:36 <Antoine> Jon: Tim's comment on Cool URIs call for discussion in the WG
16:04:55 <Antoine> Guus: it will be on the agenda next week
16:05:09 <Antoine> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] 
16:05:29 <Antoine> -- CONTINUES
16:05:33 <Ralph> [I will try to send email on the 303 redirection / content negotiation comment from Cool URIs.  I had a chat with Tim about this last week]
16:05:37 <Antoine> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] 
16:05:42 <Antoine> --CONTINUES
16:06:39 <Antoine> Guus: meeting is adjourned 
16:06:43 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
16:06:44 <Zakim> -qreul
16:06:44 <Zakim> -Clay
16:06:45 <Zakim> -Diego
16:06:46 <Zakim> -edsu
16:06:50 <Zakim> -JonP
16:06:57 <Ralph> zakim, list attendees
16:06:57 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Tom, Ralph, +1.312.059.aabb, Clay, qreul, Antoine_Isaac, Diego, JonP, Guus, edsu, Ben_Adida, Marghe
16:07:07 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minuts
16:07:07 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'please draft minuts', Ralph.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:07:08 <Zakim> -Tom
16:07:09 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:07:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-minutes.html Ralph
16:07:15 <Zakim> -Marghe
16:07:21 <marghe> marghe has left #swd
16:08:08 <edsu> Ralph: can i bug you about the wiki briefly?
16:08:18 <edsu> s/wiki/wiki permissions/
16:15:01 <Zakim> -Ralph
16:15:03 <Zakim> -Guus
16:15:20 <Zakim> -Tom.a
16:15:43 <Tom> Tom has joined #swd
16:16:23 <Ralph> zakim, drop antoine
16:16:23 <Zakim> Antoine_Isaac is being disconnected
16:16:25 <Zakim> SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
16:16:27 <Zakim> Attendees were Tom, Ralph, +1.312.059.aabb, Clay, qreul, Antoine_Isaac, Diego, JonP, Guus, edsu, Ben_Adida, Marghe
16:16:30 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
16:16:30 <RRSAgent> I see 11 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-actions.rdf :
16:16:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Chairs to draft charter extension proposal for SKOS until July 1st [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/26-swd-minutes.html#action01]  [1]
16:16:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-irc#T15-09-54
16:16:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guus to set up a poll for a meeting 6-8 may with different possible venues Amsterdam, Boston, London or Washington [2]
16:16:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-irc#T15-16-23
16:16:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alistair and Guus to check the text in the primer on relationship between Concept Schemes and OWL Ontologies. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/29-swd-minutes.html#action13]  [3]
16:16:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-irc#T15-17-09
16:16:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sean to propose a way to handle deprecated properties (updating RDF schema) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/12-swd-minutes.html#action06]  [4]
16:16:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-irc#T15-23-59
16:16:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph to check whether the common interpretation of rdfs isDefinedBy fits the reasoning that was made in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Oct/0141.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/18-swd-minutes.html#action10]  [5]
16:16:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-irc#T15-24-10
16:16:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph and Ben to publish web version of the new RDFa Primer [6]
16:16:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-irc#T15-35-05
16:16:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]  [7]
16:16:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-irc#T15-48-13
16:16:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben to clarify target date of publication of primer as note and update deliverables page [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/04-swd-minutes.html#action08]  [8]
16:16:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-irc#T15-48-48
16:16:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Diego, Jon and Ralph to coordinate files for w3c site? [9]
16:16:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-irc#T15-53-40
16:16:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]  [10]
16:16:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-irc#T16-05-09
16:16:30 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]  [11]
16:16:30 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/11-swd-irc#T16-05-37