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13:28:55 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
13:28:55 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
13:29:02 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:29:08 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:29:39 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Mar/0006.html
13:30:21 <shadi> agenda+ Comments on WCAG 2.0 by CarlosI
13:30:35 <shadi> agenda+ Updated "Content-in-RDF" Editor's Draft
13:30:42 <shadi> Updated "HTTP-in-RDF" Editor's Draft
13:30:48 <shadi> agenda+ Updated "HTTP-in-RDF" Editor's Draft
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13:31:02 <shadi> agenda+ RDFa Last Call Working Draft
13:31:17 <shadi> agenda+ Next meeting
13:31:23 <shadi> zakim, code?
13:31:23 <Zakim> the conference code is 3794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi
13:31:33 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
13:31:40 <Zakim> +CarlosV
13:31:50 <JohannesK> Zakim, CarlosV is really JohannesK
13:31:50 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
13:32:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:32:23 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is really Shadi
13:32:23 <Zakim> +Shadi; got it
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13:37:13 <Zakim> +??P14
13:37:32 <shadi> zakim, ? is really CarlosI
13:37:32 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
13:37:40 <shadi> regrets: CarlosV
13:37:54 <shadi> agenda?
13:39:18 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:39:18 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Comments on WCAG 2.0 by CarlosI" taken up [from shadi]
13:39:49 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-20071218/
13:40:31 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-20071218/Overview-diff.html
13:40:48 <shadi> http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/issuereports/responses/issue_disposition_report20071211.php
13:42:35 <shadi> SAZ: latest WCAG 2.0 Editors Draft available, also a diff version comparing changes to last draft
13:42:52 <shadi> ...also a disposition of their draft responses to the comments received so far
13:43:12 <shadi> ...we should look at the draft responses and check if we may have any follow-up
13:44:58 <shadi> JK: how do we record test results of Web pages that could be in different states
13:45:29 <shadi> ...for example CarlosI mentioned Ajax and other Web applications
13:45:38 <shadi> ...or in my opinion framesets too
13:46:06 <shadi> ...need to means to record the state of the Web page
13:46:19 <shadi> ...not part of the EARL language itself
13:46:26 <shadi> ...don't see a way to do that
13:48:35 <shadi> SAZ: framesets a little different scenario from web applications
13:49:01 <shadi> ...usually information is fetched from the server and could be addressed by HTTP-in-RDF
13:49:42 <shadi> JK: definition of web page in WCAG 2.0 is restricted to non-embedded elements
13:50:17 <shadi> ...so combinations of resources, like in a frameset, would not be considered a single web page
13:53:16 <shadi> [a non-embedded resource obtained from a single URI using HTTP plus any other resources that are used in the rendering or intended to be rendered together with it by a user agent]
13:54:13 <shadi> JK: content of the individual resources could change
13:54:44 <shadi> s/would not be considered/would be considered
13:55:56 <shadi> CI: typically a frameset has a single content frame
13:56:58 <shadi> ...don't usually need to cover all combinations of all pages on a web site
13:58:11 <shadi> JK: agree, but you are interpreting the WCAG WG
13:59:09 <shadi> ...the definition does not address the current *state* of the Web page
13:59:31 <shadi> ...we may not have a mean to record the *state* of a frameset
14:05:28 <shadi> SAZ: a frameset would cause a sequence of HTTP requests to obtain a combination of [HTML] resources, that together form a "Web Page"
14:05:48 <shadi> ...wouldn't HTTP-in-RDF give you the necessary information?
14:06:35 <shadi> JK: it would tell you which resources were loaded into the frameset, but would not tell you in which frameset it was loaded
14:07:01 <shadi> ...this could make a difference towards the result of the test
14:07:58 <shadi> ...there used to be xframes extension, not sure if that could be useful
14:09:53 <shadi> SAZ: seems that we record the interaction with the server using HTTP-in-RDF
14:10:11 <shadi> ...but we don't record the interaction with the user in the browser
14:10:33 <shadi> ...something to identify what action caused an HTTP request or other event
14:10:50 <shadi> ...can we model this? do we want to do this at the current time?
14:11:23 <shadi> CI: also need to record the context of the frames or web application at the given time
14:12:07 <shadi> ...but not necessary on the EARL (results layer)
14:12:28 <shadi> JK: agree, don't need the user interaction at the results layer
14:12:39 <shadi> ...but the current state
14:14:29 <shadi> SAZ: for web applications, would DOM content in the "Content-in-RDF" be sufficient (forgetting frames for now)
14:14:53 <shadi> CI: it would be, but we don't have a "DOM-in-RDF" model (just a dump currently)
14:18:07 <shadi> CI & JK: don't have DOM content class
14:19:13 <shadi> SAZ: could serialize it as XML and dump it into an XML content class?
14:24:37 <shadi> http://www.rosettacode.org/w/index.php?title=DOM_XML_Serialization
14:26:03 <shadi> CI: DOM representations may look different depending on user agent
14:26:41 <shadi> JK: want to record the elements/nodes that we have, to describe how the document looks like
14:27:46 <shadi> ...for example DOM Level 3 has an interface for serializing documents
14:29:43 <shadi> ...problem is converting back from DOM serialization to its original form
14:30:17 <shadi> ...for example an HTML document may generate issues when using an XML parser
14:37:40 <shadi> action: JK send brief document and the serialization of it, to demonstrate DOM usage and recording in XML content
14:38:14 <shadi> action: CI & SAZ look more closely at DOM serialization for recording the state of Web applications
14:41:04 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:41:07 <Zakim> -JohannesK
14:41:30 <shadi_off> zakim, drop carlosi
14:41:30 <Zakim> CarlosI is being disconnected
14:41:31 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
14:41:33 <Zakim> Attendees were JohannesK, Shadi, CarlosI
14:41:36 <shadi_off> zakim, bye
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