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09:34:48 <drooks> zakim, who is on phone
09:34:49 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on phone', drooks
09:35:11 <francois> trackbot-ng, start telcon
09:35:13 <trackbot-ng> RRSAgent, make logs public
09:35:15 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be BPWG
09:35:15 <Zakim> ok, trackbot-ng, I see MWI_BPWG(BPPRO)4:30AM already started
09:35:16 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
09:35:16 <trackbot-ng> Date: 05 March 2008
09:35:59 <Kai> zakim, who is here?
09:35:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Dave, ??P4, ??P5
09:36:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see drooks, RRSAgent, Zakim, Kai, alan, francois, kemp|plex, trackbot-ng, dom
09:36:27 <Zakim> -??P4
09:36:35 <Zakim> + +0788776aaaa
09:36:45 <Kai> Zakim, aaaa is Phil
09:36:46 <Zakim> +Phil; got it
09:36:48 <drooks> zakim, ??P5 is drooks
09:36:48 <Zakim> +drooks; got it
09:37:21 <Zakim> -Phil
09:37:52 <Kai> zakim, p5 is Kai
09:37:52 <Zakim> sorry, Kai, I do not recognize a party named 'p5'
09:37:52 <drooks> zakin, drooks is really kai
09:38:06 <Kai> Zakim, drooks is Kai
09:38:06 <Zakim> +Kai; got it
09:38:16 <Kai> Zakim, Dave is drooks
09:38:16 <Zakim> +drooks; got it
09:38:17 <Zakim> +??P0
09:39:07 <Kai> ScibeNick: Kai
09:39:21 <Kai> Topic: Feedback from TF about the Test Document
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09:40:16 <Kai> Dave:  I like it
09:40:18 <Zakim> +Phil_Archer
09:40:47 <Kai> Alan: Names of the BP Tests are confusing because they are the same as the BP
09:41:26 <Kai> ...it makes it seem as if we are testing for compliance with BP
09:41:56 <Kai> How would you suggest to change that?
09:42:15 <Kai> Alan: needs to be clear and easy to see which BP they refer to 
09:42:32 <Kai> They have a link at each test that links to the BP.  Is that not enough?
09:42:51 <Kai> Alan: it's helpful but may be confusing
09:43:09 <Kai> ...we try to cram too much into each test
09:43:56 <PhilA> q+
09:45:17 <PhilA> ack ka
09:45:32 <Kai> ack phil
09:46:13 <Kai> Phil:  There was a lot of discussion about that the BP could be improved.  There is no easy answer.  We should come up with the best tests we can.
09:46:57 <Kai> ...we could say on top of the document that is intended to improve mobile Web
09:47:22 <Kai> ....there is some disconnection between what we and the BP doc, but that is ok. 
09:47:44 <Kai> ...we are going a bit furhter than what BP says.  We should allow ourselves to go beyond that.
09:48:10 <Kai> Alan:  I agree but these tests should stand on their own.
09:50:27 <PhilA> Kai: Originally asked for feedback on the doc
09:50:39 <PhilA> Kai: I still have to work in the part about the background-images
09:50:50 <PhilA> Kai: We've heard nothing from the rst of the group
09:51:06 <PhilA> PhilA: Was it discussed in Seoul?
09:51:09 <PhilA> kai: Not sure
09:51:59 <PhilA> PhilA: My guess is that one of the group needs to be sure to take part in the next telecon and ask Jo/Dan to put it on the agenda
09:52:04 <Kai> ACTION:  Kai to ensure that mobileOK Pro Tests doc is put on BPWG agenda
09:52:04 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-704 - Ensure that mobileOK Pro Tests doc is put on BPWG agenda [on Kai Scheppe - due 2008-03-12].
09:52:29 <PhilA> rrsagent, make logs public-visible
09:52:52 <PhilA> Topic: Issues and Actions
09:54:02 <PhilA> Issue: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/116
09:54:32 <PhilA> PhilA: This was last year
09:55:12 <PhilA> PhilA:; My belief is that this is partyially testable. Alan?
09:55:28 <PhilA> Alan: Yes, it's testable but not reproducible as it's open to interpretation
09:55:39 <PhilA> Alan: The range of devices bit is very difficult
09:55:58 <PhilA> Kai: It's not in the doc, was that an oversight?
09:56:10 <PhilA> Alan: It's easy to test it's just hard to come up with a benchmark
09:56:17 <PhilA> Kai: It's a matter of definition
09:56:22 <PhilA> Kai: What actually is TC?
09:56:47 <PhilA> Kai: To me, in simple terms, changing layout, the idea of what it is about shouldn't change
09:57:05 <PhilA> kai: If it's about shoes on a desktop, it's about shows on a mobile
09:57:26 <Kai> s/shows/shoes
09:58:54 <Kai> Phil: I could envision child porn being shown on a mobile but clean content on a desktop...so I see it as important.
09:59:12 <Kai> ...consitency can also be based on the device making the request.
10:00:12 <PhilA> Kai; We have TC on 2 levels - one is the theme, and the other is on the device context
10:00:27 <PhilA> Kai: It comes down to the end user not being given content s/he didn't expect or want
10:00:40 <PhilA> action: Phil to create examples for Thematic Consistency
10:00:40 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-705 - Create examples for Thematic Consistency [on Phil Archer - due 2008-03-12].
10:00:47 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes
10:00:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-bpwg-minutes.html PhilA
10:01:20 <PhilA> Kai: Can everyone look at the actions and set to pending please?
10:01:27 <PhilA> action on everyone...
10:01:36 <Zakim> -drooks
10:01:37 <Zakim> -Phil_Archer
10:01:43 <Zakim> -alan
10:01:45 <PhilA> rrsagent, generate minutes
10:01:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-bpwg-minutes.html PhilA
10:02:00 <PhilA> Chair: Kai
10:02:13 <Zakim> -Kai
10:02:14 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG(BPPRO)4:30AM has ended
10:02:16 <Zakim> Attendees were +0788776aaaa, Phil, Kai, drooks, alan, Phil_Archer
10:02:18 <PhilA> Present: Kai, Alan, Dave, Phil
10:02:46 <PhilA> present- aaa
10:02:49 <Kai> Regrets: Dan
10:02:52 <PhilA> regrets+DanA
10:03:03 <PhilA> rrsagent, generate minutes
10:03:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-bpwg-minutes.html PhilA
10:03:24 <Kai> RRSAgent, make logs public #bpwg
10:03:24 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make logs public #bpwg', Kai.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
10:03:32 <PhilA> regrets- DanA
10:04:10 <PhilA> Meeting: MobileOK Pro Task Force
10:04:19 <PhilA> rrsagent, generate minutes
10:04:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-bpwg-minutes.html PhilA
10:05:15 <Kai> zakim, bye
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10:05:37 <Kai> rrsagent, bye
10:05:37 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-bpwg-actions.rdf :
10:05:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kai to ensure that mobileOK Pro Tests doc is put on BPWG agenda [1]
10:05:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-bpwg-irc#T09-52-04
10:05:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Phil to create examples for Thematic Consistency [2]
10:05:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/05-bpwg-irc#T10-00-40