IRC log of xmlsec on 2008-02-19

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/02/19-xmlsec-irc

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be XMLSEC

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ok, trackbot-ng; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes

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Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 19 February 2008

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Chair: Frederick Hirsch

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Scribe: Juan Carlos Cruellas

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Feb/0021.html

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Regrets: Konrad Lanz

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zakim, who is here?

13:50:05 [Zakim]

T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has not yet started, fhirsch

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On IRC I see fhirsch, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot-ng

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Zakim, this will be XMLSEC

13:53:32 [Zakim]

ok, jcc; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes

13:53:33 [Zakim]

T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started

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Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance WG Conference

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Chair: Frederick Hirsch

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Scribe: Juan Carlos Cruellas

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Feb/0021.html

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OK, thanks

13:55:37 [fjh2]

zakim, who is here?

13:55:37 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

13:55:38 [Zakim]

On IRC I see hal, fjh2, jcc, fhirsch, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot-ng

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13:58:23 [fjh2]

zakim, what is the code?

13:58:23 [Zakim]

the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), fjh2

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I have joined the call....

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..but I can not hear anybody

14:00:15 [tlr]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:00:15 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

14:00:18 [tlr]

umh

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14:00:21 [tlr]

zakim, code?

14:00:21 [Zakim]

the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), tlr

14:00:24 [tlr]

zakim, call thomas-781

14:00:24 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; the call is being made

14:00:28 [tlr]

zakim, drop thomas

14:00:28 [Zakim]

sorry, tlr, I do not see a party named 'thomas'

14:00:39 [tlr]

zakim, call thomas-skype

14:00:39 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; the call is being made

14:00:56 [fjh2]

zakim, who is here?

14:00:56 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

14:00:58 [tlr]

zakim, call thomas-skype

14:01:01 [Zakim]

On IRC I see brich, sean, pdatta, hal, fjh2, jcc, fhirsch, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot-ng

14:01:01 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; the call is being made

14:01:18 [fjh2]

zakim, who is here?

14:01:18 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

14:01:19 [Zakim]

On IRC I see brich, sean, pdatta, hal, fjh2, jcc, fhirsch, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot-ng

14:01:25 [tlr]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:01:25 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

14:01:34 [EdS]

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zakim, who is here?

14:01:48 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

14:01:49 [Zakim]

On IRC I see EdS, brich, sean, pdatta, hal, fjh2, jcc, fhirsch, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot-ng

14:02:32 [fjh2]

zakim, who is here?

14:02:32 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

14:02:33 [Zakim]

On IRC I see EdS, brich, sean, pdatta, hal, fjh2, jcc, fhirsch, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot-ng

14:02:34 [tlr]

http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/Zakim.html

14:03:15 [fjh2]

zakim, who is here?

14:03:15 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

14:03:16 [Zakim]

On IRC I see EdS, brich, sean, pdatta, hal, fjh2, jcc, fhirsch, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot-ng

14:03:22 [EdS]

I'm on the phone now; muted.

14:04:11 [tlr]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:04:11 [Zakim]

On the phone I see no one

14:04:26 [shivaram]

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'restarting to recover bridge state'

14:04:50 [fjh2]

present on call - bruce, sean, pratik, hal, fjh, john, thomas, rob, miller, shivaram

14:04:56 [shivaram]

zakim, mute me

14:05:00 [jcc]

I can hear you...

14:05:03 [EdS]

I'm on the call too!!!

14:05:20 [fjh2]

also present on call - Ed

14:05:23 [jcc]

I can hear you!

14:05:35 [jcc]

can you hear me?

14:05:41 [fjh2]

also present on call - juan carlos

14:05:49 [jcc]

no....

14:05:53 [jcc]

will try to reconnect

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zakim, this is xmlsec

14:05:58 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; that matches T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM

14:05:59 [Zakim]

-??P2

14:06:01 [tlr]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:06:02 [Zakim]

On the phone I see +1.978.244.aaaa, ??P0, Hal_Lockhart, +1.650.506.aabb, +1.512.401.aacc, +1.617.876.aadd, ??P10, Thomas.a, Ed_Simon, +1.408.907.aaee

14:06:21 [shivaram]

aaee is shivaram

14:06:31 [brich]

aacc is brich

14:06:39 [sean]

aadd is sean

14:06:40 [jwray]

aaaa is jwray

14:07:10 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

14:07:21 [fjh2]

zakim, who is here?

14:07:22 [Zakim]

On the phone I see +1.978.244.aaaa, ??P0, Hal_Lockhart, +1.650.506.aabb, +1.512.401.aacc, +1.617.876.aadd, ??P10, Thomas.a, Ed_Simon, +1.408.907.aaee, [IPcaller]

14:07:24 [Zakim]

On IRC I see shivaram, EdS, brich, sean, pdatta, hal, fjh2, jcc, fhirsch, jwray, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot-ng

14:07:48 [jcc]

I joined, I can hear you

14:07:50 [tlr]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:07:50 [Zakim]

On the phone I see +1.978.244.aaaa, ??P0, Hal_Lockhart, +1.650.506.aabb, +1.512.401.aacc, +1.617.876.aadd, ??P10, Thomas.a, Ed_Simon, +1.408.907.aaee, [IPcaller]

14:07:57 [jcc]

but obviously you may not hear me

14:08:04 [jcc]

so, I will take minutes

14:08:15 [jwray]

zakim, aaaa is jwray

14:08:15 [Zakim]

+jwray; got it

14:08:45 [jcc]

TOPIC: Administrivia

14:09:13 [shivaram]

zakim, mute me

14:09:13 [Zakim]

sorry, shivaram, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

14:09:14 [tlr]

zakim, mute thomas

14:09:15 [Zakim]

Thomas.a should now be muted

14:09:17 [tlr]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:09:17 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jwray, ??P0, Hal_Lockhart, +1.650.506.aabb, +1.512.401.aacc, +1.617.876.aadd, ??P10, Thomas.a (muted), Ed_Simon, +1.408.907.aaee, [IPcaller]

14:09:29 [jcc]

FH: transition request sent

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FH: public review from 6th March to End of April

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TOPIC: Charter status

14:10:45 [jcc]

FH: some work in the background, and sent to the OASIS (?)

14:11:02 [shivaram]

zakim, mute me

14:11:02 [Zakim]

shivaram should now be muted

14:11:06 [jcc]

FH: other external bodies known?

14:11:09 [tlr]

zakim, who is muted?

14:11:09 [Zakim]

I see Thomas.a, shivaram muted

14:11:13 [jcc]

JC: what about ETSI ESI?

14:11:21 [tlr]

that covers it, yes

14:11:28 [tlr]

jcc, please send language

14:11:45 [sean]

zakim, aadd is sean

14:11:45 [Zakim]

+sean; got it

14:11:52 [jcc]

not external dependency, I just thought that you were sending messages

14:12:07 [jcc]

TOPIC: Request for review/feedback on XML 1.0 Fifth Edition

14:12:23 [jcc]

fh: issue on sending passwords in the clear.

14:12:36 [hal]

q+

14:12:38 [jcc]

fh: if you have the time for reviewing it, just do it please

14:12:46 [fjh2]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Feb/0019.html

14:13:04 [fjh2]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Feb/0019.html

14:13:08 [fjh2]

ack hal

14:13:15 [brich]

zakim, aacc is brich

14:13:15 [Zakim]

+brich; got it

14:13:44 [jcc]

hal: document here was presented in the fall and discussed and they identified a number of changes...I do not see in our list

14:13:47 [tlr]

q+

14:13:52 [tlr]

zakim, unmute me

14:13:52 [Zakim]

sorry, tlr, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

14:13:57 [tlr]

zakim, unmute thomas

14:13:57 [Zakim]

Thomas.a should no longer be muted

14:14:02 [tlr]

WSC public comment list

14:14:07 [tlr]

public-usable-authentication

14:14:08 [jcc]

fh: is not in our list. I do not remember which one. I will let you know it afterwards

14:14:10 [tlr]

zakim, mute me

14:14:10 [Zakim]

sorry, tlr, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

14:15:03 [tlr]

zakim, mute thomas

14:15:03 [Zakim]

Thomas.a should now be muted

14:15:04 [jcc]

TOPIC: Minutes from 2008-02-12 for approval:

14:15:39 [jcc]

rob miller: my first name is not well spelled, other than that it is ok.

14:15:49 [jcc]

fh: can we approve them with that change?

14:15:52 [jcc]

RM: OK

14:16:24 [jcc]

resolution: minutes of 2008-02-12 were approved with the change to correctly spell Rob Millar's name

14:16:34 [shivaram]

* Line on my side is good - no echo

14:16:45 [pdatta]

zakim, aabb is pdatta

14:16:45 [Zakim]

+pdatta; got it

14:16:56 [EdS]

No echo here -- though I often get it on other calls (I have VOIP).

14:17:06 [fjh2]

Re: Draft W3C TAG Finding "Passwords in the Clear" available for review

14:17:07 [jcc]

frederick: could you put it in the chat, please?

14:17:10 [jcc]

thanks

14:17:14 [tlr]

zakim, unmute thomas

14:17:14 [Zakim]

Thomas.a should no longer be muted

14:18:03 [tlr]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-usable-authentication/

14:18:26 [fjh2]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-usable-authentication/2008Feb/0004.html

14:19:07 [jcc]

TOPIC: Progressing test case document to W3C Note

14:19:16 [fjh2]

shortname "xmldsiged2-tests"

14:19:21 [jcc]

FH: sean did a great amount of work on that document...

14:19:36 [jcc]

...the only issue left with that is to decide a short name for that

14:20:42 [tlr]

Resolution from last week was: RESOLUTION: to publish test suite document as Note, shortname xmldsig2ed-tests

14:20:50 [jcc]

ACTION: tlr to update the test cases document ...

14:20:50 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-147 - Update the test cases document ... [on Thomas Roessler - due 2008-02-26].

14:21:20 [jcc]

TOPIC: EXI

14:21:49 [jcc]

fh: we could share jcc's comments with EXI group

14:21:59 [jcc]

jcc: I agree to send these comments to EXI group

14:22:19 [jcc]

fh: not sure we have much to say on that

14:22:24 [jcc]

yes

14:22:36 [jcc]

get an action

14:22:52 [jcc]

ACTION: jcc to send comments to EXI group as circulated to the XMLSEC

14:22:52 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-148 - Send comments to EXI group as circulated to the XMLSEC [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2008-02-26].

14:23:08 [jcc]

TOPIC: Best Practices

14:23:26 [jcc]

fh: not seen anything on the list...

14:23:49 [jcc]

fh: we could adjust the meetings time based on this issue....

14:24:41 [jcc]

fh: want to be sure people do not colide doing the same thing at the same time

14:24:55 [jcc]

hal: will be able to do something on the next week or two

14:25:06 [jcc]

TOPIC: Action item review

14:25:21 [jcc]

action 143: Closed

14:25:36 [fjh2]

action-143 closed

14:25:58 [jcc]

action-144 closed

14:26:18 [tlr]

q+

14:26:29 [jcc]

action-145 not sure whether is done or not.

14:26:33 [fjh2]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Feb/0018.html

14:26:33 [tlr]

sean: Still looking into it

14:26:34 [tlr]

q-

14:26:42 [fjh2]

ack tlr

14:26:50 [jcc]

tlr: action seems not to be closed

14:26:58 [jcc]

fh: sean, any needed help?

14:27:01 [jcc]

sean: no

14:27:09 [jcc]

action 14-6 closed

14:27:14 [jcc]

action 146-closed

14:27:27 [jcc]

TOPIC: any other business

14:27:38 [fjh2]

zakim, who is here?

14:27:38 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jwray, ??P0, Hal_Lockhart, pdatta, brich, sean, ??P10, Thomas.a, Ed_Simon, shivaram (muted), [IPcaller]

14:27:40 [Zakim]

On IRC I see shivaram, EdS, brich, sean, pdatta, hal, fjh2, jcc, jwray, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng

14:27:50 [Zakim]

-Thomas.a

14:27:51 [Zakim]

-Hal_Lockhart

14:27:53 [Zakim]

-??P0

14:27:53 [Zakim]

-sean

14:27:56 [Zakim]

-shivaram

14:27:58 [Zakim]

-brich

14:27:58 [jcc]

frederick, could you tell me where to get the draft minutes for polishing them

14:28:04 [Zakim]

-pdatta

14:28:06 [Zakim]

-Ed_Simon

14:28:08 [jcc]

OK...

14:28:16 [Zakim]

-jwray

14:28:16 [fjh2]

zakim, please generate minutes

14:28:18 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'please generate minutes', fjh2

14:28:38 [jcc]

is it "RRSAgent, generate minutes"?

14:28:41 [fjh2]

RRSAgent, make log public

14:28:50 [fjh2]

RRSAgent, please generate minutes

14:28:50 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/19-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh2

14:29:07 [jcc]

thanks... I will take that and polish and then send it to the list?

14:29:57 [jcc]

If you put in the chat the present people, I may add it to the html minutes

14:30:00 [fjh2]

Present: bruce, sean, pratik, hal, fjh, john, thomas, rob, miller, shivaram, Ed Simon, Juan Carlos

14:30:09 [fjh2]

RRSAgent, please generate minutes

14:30:09 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/19-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh2

14:31:03 [jcc]

OK... will do. Once done, should I send the html to the list?

14:31:41 [jcc]

thank you...and sorry for not being able to let me heared? I use skype

14:31:58 [jcc]

I use a microphone

14:32:03 [jcc]

separated microphone

14:32:12 [jcc]

usually has gone OK

14:32:34 [jcc]

No problem...we will try next time...it should work next time

14:32:41 [jcc]

thank you ....

14:32:43 [jcc]

bye

14:32:47 [fjh2]

bye

14:32:50 [Zakim]

-??P10

14:32:57 [fjh2]

zakim, who is here?

14:32:57 [Zakim]

On the phone I see [IPcaller]

14:32:58 [Zakim]

On IRC I see fjh2, jcc, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng

14:33:06 [Zakim]

-[IPcaller]

14:33:08 [Zakim]

T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended

14:33:09 [Zakim]

Attendees were +1.978.244.aaaa, Hal_Lockhart, +1.650.506.aabb, +1.512.401.aacc, +1.617.876.aadd, Thomas.a, Ed_Simon, +1.408.907.aaee, [IPcaller], jwray, shivaram, sean, brich,

14:33:11 [Zakim]

... pdatta

14:33:18 [fjh2]

Zakim, bye

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Zakim has left #xmlsec

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Zakim, bye

14:33:30 [fjh2]

RRSAgent, bye

14:33:30 [RRSAgent]

I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/19-xmlsec-actions.rdf :

14:33:30 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: tlr to update the test cases document ... [1]

14:33:30 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/19-xmlsec-irc#T14-20-50

14:33:30 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: jcc to send comments to EXI group as circulated to the XMLSEC [2]

14:33:30 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/19-xmlsec-irc#T14-22-52

14:33:30 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: 143 to Closed [3]

14:33:30 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/19-xmlsec-irc#T14-25-21