IRC log of rif on 2008-02-19
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- zakim, this will be rif
- 15:41:59 [Zakim]
- ok, csma; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 19 minutes
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- Meeting: RIF telecon 19 February 2008
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- Chair: Christian de Sainte Marie
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Feb/0083.html
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- csma has changed the topic to: 19 February RIF telecon agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Feb/0083.html
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- Regrets: IgorMozetic DaveReynolds PaulVincent HassanAitKaci
- 15:54:45 [LeoraMorgenstern]
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- 15:57:43 [csma]
- Mike, can youscribe today? The telecon is likely to be shorter than usual (or am I over-optimistic? :-)
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- SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started
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- + +1.212.781.aaaa
- 15:58:39 [LeoraMorgenstern]
- Christian, I see you got my email
- 15:58:48 [LeoraMorgenstern]
- zakim, aaaa is me
- 15:58:55 [Zakim]
- +LeoraMorgenstern; got it
- 15:59:02 [LeoraMorgenstern]
- I apologize that I can't do the scribing today.
- 15:59:09 [LeoraMorgenstern]
- zakim, please mute me
- 15:59:21 [Zakim]
- sorry, LeoraMorgenstern, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
- 15:59:42 [LeoraMorgenstern]
- :-), zakim.
- 15:59:53 [sandro]
- kind of silly, really
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- +??P31
- 16:00:59 [LeoraMorgenstern]
- zakim, please mute me.
- 16:01:02 [csma]
- zakim, ??P31 is me
- 16:01:08 [AxelPolleres]
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- +Sandro
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- +Mike_Dean
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- LeoraMorgenstern should now be muted
- 16:01:27 [Zakim]
- +csma; got it
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- +Axel_Polleres
- 16:01:55 [mdean]
- scribe: Mike Dean
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- scribenick: mdean
- 16:03:11 [ChrisW]
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- 16:03:33 [csma]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 16:03:46 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see LeoraMorgenstern (muted), csma, Mike_Dean, Sandro, Axel_Polleres (muted)
- 16:03:56 [ChrisW]
- zakim, ibm is temporarily me
- 16:04:08 [Zakim]
- +[IBM]
- 16:04:14 [Zakim]
- +ChrisW; got it
- 16:04:38 [ChrisW]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 16:04:46 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see LeoraMorgenstern (muted), csma, Mike_Dean, Sandro, Axel_Polleres (muted), ChrisW
- 16:04:58 [ChrisW]
- zakim, list agenda
- 16:05:02 [Zakim]
- I see nothing on the agenda
- 16:05:24 [mdean]
- topic: administration
- 16:05:32 [Zakim]
- + +49.351.463.4.aabb
- 16:05:35 [mdean]
- approval of minutes deferred to next meeting
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- topic: action review
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- 423 continued
- 16:06:07 [ChrisW]
- zakim, who is in paris?
- 16:06:07 [Zakim]
- sorry, ChrisW, I do not recognize a party named 'paris'
- 16:06:16 [mdean]
- 422 continued
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- 421 done
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- +??P48
- 16:07:08 [AxelPolleres]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- Axel_Polleres should no longer be muted
- 16:07:25 [mdean]
- 420 continued, will send by tomorrow
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- 419 done
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- Zakim, who is on the phone?
- 16:08:45 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see LeoraMorgenstern (muted), csma, Mike_Dean, Sandro, Axel_Polleres (muted), ChrisW, +49.351.463.4.aabb, josb
- 16:08:46 [josb]
- q+
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- Zakim, aabb is me
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- +AdrianP; got it
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- Zakim, mute me
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- AdrianP should now be muted
- 16:09:34 [josb]
- q-
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- +??P50
- 16:09:45 [mdean]
- 418 done, but want to generate new versions of Wiki pages
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- 417 done
- 16:12:09 [AdrianP]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- AdrianP should no longer be muted
- 16:12:23 [mdean]
- 416 done
- 16:12:25 [ChrisW]
- zakim, ??p50 is Harold
- 16:12:25 [Zakim]
- +Harold; got it
- 16:12:34 [AdrianP]
- Zakim, mute me
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- AdrianP should now be muted
- 16:12:39 [mdean]
- 415 done
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- + +43.158.801.1aacc
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- -josb
- 16:13:18 [mdean]
- 413 continued, needed before F2F
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- 412 done
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- 411 continued
- 16:14:03 [josb]
- right
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- 409 done
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- 406 continued
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- 152 continued
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- 274 continued
- 16:15:29 [ChrisW]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 16:15:29 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see LeoraMorgenstern (muted), csma, Mike_Dean, Sandro, Axel_Polleres (muted), ChrisW, AdrianP (muted), Harold, josb (muted)
- 16:15:44 [mdean]
- topic: liaison
- 16:15:50 [AdrianP]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 16:15:50 [Zakim]
- AdrianP should no longer be muted
- 16:16:11 [AdrianP]
- Zakim, mute me
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- AdrianP should now be muted
- 16:16:11 [josb]
- no
- 16:16:16 [mdean]
- adrian has not yet talked to XBRL folks
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- nothing to report on OWL WG
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- ChrisW: OWL compatibility 2pm Thursday so Mike can call in
- 16:17:44 [mdean]
- topic: issue 44
- 16:18:07 [csma]
- PROPOSED: to close issue 44 with no change to BLD (that is, keeping named arguments Uniterm in BLD).
- 16:18:28 [mdean]
- csma: no objections to closing issue without changing BLD
- 16:18:39 [mdean]
- ChrisW: would like to postpone
- 16:19:14 [mdean]
- ... should publish a standard means of translation, e.g. alphabetical, for round-tripping
- 16:19:18 [AdrianP]
- agree with Chris, we should publish a default strategy
- 16:19:45 [mdean]
- ChrisW: resolution should make this clear
- 16:19:56 [AxelPolleres]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- Axel_Polleres should no longer be muted
- 16:20:02 [mdean]
- ... uncomfortable changing it on the fly
- 16:20:07 [josb]
- q+
- 16:20:16 [csma]
- ack josb
- 16:20:21 [mdean]
- ... should be quick to resolve at F2F
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- Axel: why do we need standard translation?
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- s/Axel/josb/
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- ChrisW: want to be able to tell people precise equivalence
- 16:21:57 [GaryHallmark]
- I join by IRC but have no telephone...
- 16:22:04 [mdean]
- Sandro: let's you merge after translation
- 16:22:17 [GaryHallmark]
- I'm at the mercy of the scribe...
- 16:22:51 [mdean]
- i'll add you to the attendees manually, if necessary
- 16:23:30 [mdean]
- ChrisW: table until F2F
- 16:23:35 [AxelPolleres]
- Gary... named uniterm and resolution 44 currently being discussed again, suggestion by chrisw to postpone decision to f2f
- 16:23:56 [josb]
- q+
- 16:23:58 [mdean]
- topic: F2F9
- 16:24:02 [csma]
- ack josb
- 16:24:28 [mdean]
- josb: 2 different front pages on Wiki
- 16:24:50 [mdean]
- ... couldn't find FLD on old page
- 16:25:15 [mdean]
- ACTION chrisw: put banner and link on old Wiki page
- 16:25:32 [mdean]
- s/link/link to new Wiki page/
- 16:25:40 [AxelPolleres]
- I'd suggest to remove all text there and ONLY have the pointer!
- 16:25:48 [AxelPolleres]
- (and make the page immutable)
- 16:25:50 [ChrisW]
- action: cwelty to clear old wiki front page
- 16:25:50 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-424 - Clear old wiki front page [on Christopher Welty - due 2008-02-26].
- 16:25:58 [mdean]
- csma: 12 or 13 people
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- csma: email regarding any special food requirements - no response - will include vegetarian
- 16:26:38 [mdean]
- csma: fois gras is not vegetarian - tofu version doesn't taste the same
- 16:26:49 [mdean]
- csma: lunch may include fois gras
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- csma; remote attendance?
- 16:27:18 [mdean]
- mdean: yes
- 16:27:23 [AxelPolleres]
- :-)
- 16:27:26 [mdean]
- csma: Dave Reynolds may also call in
- 16:28:03 [mdean]
- csma: objectives posted on F2F9 page - finalize second public WD of BLD, etc.
- 16:28:11 [josb]
- q+
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- ack josb
- 16:28:48 [mdean]
- csma: Jeff Pan asked for session about test cases - will add at end
- 16:29:25 [mdean]
- josb: does BLD require FLD publication?
- 16:29:46 [mdean]
- ChrisW: BLD completely depends on FLD
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- csma: item for discussion - synchronized at least for this publication
- 16:30:33 [mdean]
- josb: agenda only talks about BLD
- 16:30:52 [mdean]
- ... could have some objections since this makes document harder to read
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- s/have/imagine/
- 16:31:22 [Zakim]
- -Harold
- 16:32:22 [mdean]
- ACTION csma modify F2F9 meeting page after meeting to include FLD
- 16:32:36 [mdean]
- s/csma/csma:
- 16:32:53 [josb]
- q+
- 16:32:54 [mdean]
- ACTION csma: modify F2F9 meeting page to include FLD
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- Sandro: conventions for latest snapshot
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- ... confused about what versions people should be reading
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- ... some changes since February 12 version
- 16:33:58 [AdrianP]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 16:33:58 [Zakim]
- AdrianP should no longer be muted
- 16:34:17 [mdean]
- ... email responses from editors don't answer questions
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- ... color coded diffs helpful in review cycle - no need to repeat comments
- 16:35:13 [mdean]
- ... need to know when to freeze
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- ... would also like to move to MediaWiki today so another round of reviews isn't needed
- 16:35:41 [mdean]
- csma: Harold in Germany
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- ChrisW: Michael Kifer en route
- 16:35:55 [mdean]
- csma: frozen version of OWL RDF
- 16:36:11 [mdean]
- ... still have review changes to PRD - should be able to freeze tonight
- 16:36:36 [mdean]
- ... or half an hour from now
- 16:36:58 [mdean]
- josb: OWL RDF linked from email and old front page
- 16:37:07 [Zakim]
- + +49.228.372.aadd
- 16:37:09 [mdean]
- ... no changes since Wiki
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- s/old/reading list on old/
- 16:37:19 [josb]
- q-
- 16:37:21 [ChrisW]
- zakim, aadd is Harold
- 16:37:21 [Zakim]
- +Harold; got it
- 16:37:47 [mdean]
- Harold: some changes to FLD after freezing
- 16:38:00 [mdean]
- Sandro: will make new version with color-coded diffs for FLD
- 16:38:08 [mdean]
- ... but not for OWL, RDF, or PRD
- 16:38:34 [mdean]
- josb: OWL RDF already on MediaWiki
- 16:38:47 [mdean]
- s/OWL, /OWL/
- 16:39:04 [mdean]
- s/RDF,/RDF/
- 16:39:59 [mdean]
- Harold: can move to MediaWiki now - need to alert Michael Kifer
- 16:40:22 [AdrianP]
- Zakim, mute me
- 16:40:22 [Zakim]
- AdrianP should now be muted
- 16:40:23 [mdean]
- sandro: will try to do today or tomorrow and send email to Michael
- 16:40:49 [mdean]
- Harold: Michael should arrive in Paris early tomorrow
- 16:41:14 [mdean]
- ChrisW: hold off pending confirmation in case Michael makes edits on the plane
- 16:41:21 [AdrianP]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 16:41:21 [Zakim]
- AdrianP should no longer be muted
- 16:41:45 [mdean]
- ChrisW: what about converting UCR to MediaWiki
- 16:42:00 [mdean]
- s/MediaWiki/MediaWiki?/
- 16:42:01 [AdrianP]
- let's discuss UCR durin f2f
- 16:42:08 [mdean]
- ... not being maintained
- 16:42:41 [AdrianP]
- Zakim, mute me
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- AdrianP should now be muted
- 16:43:04 [mdean]
- sandro: will wait for Michael for both BLD and FLD
- 16:43:31 [AdrianP]
- PRD is also already on the Media WIKI
- 16:43:44 [mdean]
- sandro: PRD freeze in an hour or so, move later
- 16:44:11 [mdean]
- topic: AOB
- 16:44:26 [LeoraMorgenstern]
- yes,
- 16:44:29 [LeoraMorgenstern]
- i think it is March 4.
- 16:45:34 [mdean]
- Leora: willing scribe for March 4
- 16:45:54 [mdean]
- csma: informal telecon February 26 to recap F2F9 for those not present
- 16:46:00 [ChrisW]
- zakim, list attendees
- 16:46:00 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been +1.212.781.aaaa, LeoraMorgenstern, Sandro, Mike_Dean, csma, Axel_Polleres, ChrisW, +49.351.463.4.aabb, josb, AdrianP, Harold,
- 16:46:00 [mdean]
- adjourned
- 16:46:03 [Zakim]
- ... +43.158.801.1aacc, +49.228.372.aadd
- 16:46:05 [AxelPolleres]
- bye see you soon!
- 16:46:07 [ChrisW]
- rrsagent, make logs public
- 16:46:07 [Zakim]
- -Harold
- 16:46:08 [AdrianP]
- bye
- 16:46:12 [Zakim]
- -Axel_Polleres
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- -josb
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- -AdrianP
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- -LeoraMorgenstern
- 16:46:25 [ChrisW]
- Regrets: IgorMozetic DaveReynolds PaulVincent HassanAitKaci
- 16:46:31 [ChrisW]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:46:31 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/19-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
- 16:46:58 [Zakim]
- -Mike_Dean
- 16:47:02 [csma]
- zakim, hwo is on the phone?
- 16:47:02 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, csma.
- 16:47:08 [ChrisW]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 16:47:08 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see csma, Sandro, ChrisW
- 16:47:24 [csma]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 16:47:24 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see csma, Sandro, ChrisW
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- -Sandro
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- -ChrisW
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- -csma
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- SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were +1.212.781.aaaa, LeoraMorgenstern, Sandro, Mike_Dean, csma, Axel_Polleres, ChrisW, +49.351.463.4.aabb, josb, AdrianP, Harold, +43.158.801.1aacc, +49.228.372.aadd
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