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15:41:59 <csma> zakim, this will be rif
15:41:59 <Zakim> ok, csma; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 19 minutes
15:42:25 <csma> Meeting: RIF telecon 19 February 2008
15:42:42 <csma> Chair: Christian de Sainte Marie
15:43:20 <csma> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Feb/0083.html
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15:44:13 <csma> csma has changed the topic to: 19 February RIF telecon agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Feb/0083.html
15:53:48 <csma> Regrets: IgorMozetic DaveReynolds PaulVincent HassanAitKaci
15:54:45 <LeoraMorgenstern> LeoraMorgenstern has joined #rif
15:57:43 <csma> Mike, can youscribe today? The telecon is likely to be shorter than usual (or am I over-optimistic? :-)
15:58:30 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started
15:58:37 <Zakim> + +1.212.781.aaaa
15:58:39 <LeoraMorgenstern> Christian, I see you got my email
15:58:48 <LeoraMorgenstern> zakim, aaaa is me
15:58:55 <Zakim> +LeoraMorgenstern; got it
15:59:02 <LeoraMorgenstern> I apologize that I can't do the scribing today.
15:59:09 <LeoraMorgenstern> zakim, please mute me
15:59:21 <Zakim> sorry, LeoraMorgenstern, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
15:59:42 <LeoraMorgenstern> :-), zakim. 
15:59:53 <sandro> kind of silly, really
16:00:15 <Zakim> +??P31
16:00:59 <LeoraMorgenstern> zakim, please mute me.
16:01:02 <csma> zakim, ??P31 is me
16:01:08 <AxelPolleres> AxelPolleres has joined #rif
16:01:19 <Zakim> +Sandro
16:01:21 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
16:01:23 <Zakim> LeoraMorgenstern should now be muted
16:01:27 <Zakim> +csma; got it
16:01:53 <Zakim> +Axel_Polleres
16:01:55 <mdean> scribe: Mike Dean
16:01:56 <josb> josb has joined #rif
16:02:00 <mdean> scribenick: mdean
16:03:11 <ChrisW> ChrisW has joined #rif
16:03:33 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:03:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see LeoraMorgenstern (muted), csma, Mike_Dean, Sandro, Axel_Polleres (muted)
16:03:56 <ChrisW> zakim, ibm is temporarily me
16:04:08 <Zakim> +[IBM]
16:04:14 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it
16:04:38 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:04:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see LeoraMorgenstern (muted), csma, Mike_Dean, Sandro, Axel_Polleres (muted), ChrisW
16:04:58 <ChrisW> zakim, list agenda
16:05:02 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
16:05:24 <mdean> topic:  administration
16:05:32 <Zakim> + +49.351.463.4.aabb
16:05:35 <mdean> approval of minutes deferred to next meeting
16:05:42 <mdean> topic:  action review
16:06:01 <mdean> 423 continued
16:06:07 <ChrisW> zakim, who is in paris?
16:06:07 <Zakim> sorry, ChrisW, I do not recognize a party named 'paris'
16:06:16 <mdean> 422 continued
16:06:33 <mdean> 421 done
16:06:51 <Zakim> +??P48
16:07:08 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, unmute me
16:07:08 <Zakim> Axel_Polleres should no longer be muted
16:07:25 <mdean> 420 continued, will send by tomorrow
16:07:36 <mdean> 419 done
16:08:32 <AdrianP> AdrianP has joined #rif
16:08:45 <AdrianP> Zakim, who is on the phone?
16:08:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see LeoraMorgenstern (muted), csma, Mike_Dean, Sandro, Axel_Polleres (muted), ChrisW, +49.351.463.4.aabb, josb
16:08:46 <josb> q+
16:08:57 <AdrianP> Zakim, aabb is me
16:08:57 <Zakim> +AdrianP; got it
16:09:05 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
16:09:05 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
16:09:34 <josb> q-
16:09:43 <Zakim> +??P50
16:09:45 <mdean> 418 done, but want to generate new versions of Wiki pages
16:11:35 <mdean> 417 done
16:12:09 <AdrianP> Zakim, unmute me
16:12:09 <Zakim> AdrianP should no longer be muted
16:12:23 <mdean> 416 done
16:12:25 <ChrisW> zakim, ??p50 is Harold
16:12:25 <Zakim> +Harold; got it
16:12:34 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
16:12:34 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
16:12:39 <mdean> 415 done
16:12:56 <Zakim> + +43.158.801.1aacc
16:13:05 <Zakim> -josb
16:13:18 <mdean> 413 continued, needed before F2F
16:13:32 <mdean> 412 done
16:13:45 <mdean> 411 continued
16:14:03 <josb> right
16:14:10 <mdean> 409 done
16:14:43 <mdean> 406 continued
16:15:18 <mdean> 152 continued
16:15:25 <mdean> 274 continued
16:15:29 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:15:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see LeoraMorgenstern (muted), csma, Mike_Dean, Sandro, Axel_Polleres (muted), ChrisW, AdrianP (muted), Harold, josb (muted)
16:15:44 <mdean> topic:  liaison
16:15:50 <AdrianP> Zakim, unmute me
16:15:50 <Zakim> AdrianP should no longer be muted
16:16:11 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
16:16:11 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
16:16:11 <josb> no
16:16:16 <mdean> adrian has not yet talked to XBRL folks
16:16:23 <mdean> nothing to report on OWL WG
16:17:30 <mdean> ChrisW:  OWL compatibility 2pm Thursday so Mike can call in 
16:17:44 <mdean> topic:  issue 44
16:18:07 <csma> PROPOSED: to close issue 44 with no change to BLD (that is, keeping named arguments Uniterm in BLD).
16:18:28 <mdean> csma:  no objections to closing issue without changing BLD
16:18:39 <mdean> ChrisW:  would like to postpone
16:19:14 <mdean> ... should publish a standard means of translation, e.g. alphabetical, for round-tripping
16:19:18 <AdrianP> agree with Chris, we should publish a default strategy
16:19:45 <mdean> ChrisW:  resolution should make this clear
16:19:56 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, unmute me
16:19:56 <Zakim> Axel_Polleres should no longer be muted
16:20:02 <mdean> ... uncomfortable changing it on the fly
16:20:07 <josb> q+
16:20:16 <csma> ack josb
16:20:21 <mdean> ... should be quick to resolve at F2F
16:20:54 <mdean> Axel:  why do we need standard translation?
16:20:57 <GaryHallmark> GaryHallmark has joined #rif
16:21:06 <mdean> s/Axel/josb/
16:21:41 <mdean> ChrisW:  want to be able to tell people precise equivalence
16:21:57 <GaryHallmark> I join by IRC but have no telephone...
16:22:04 <mdean> Sandro:  let's you merge after translation
16:22:51 <mdean> i'll add you to the attendees manually, if necessary
16:23:30 <mdean> ChrisW:  table until F2F
16:23:35 <AxelPolleres> Gary... named uniterm and resolution 44 currently being discussed again, suggestion by chrisw to postpone decision to f2f
16:23:56 <josb> q+
16:23:58 <mdean> topic:  F2F9
16:24:02 <csma> ack josb
16:24:28 <mdean> josb:  2 different front pages on Wiki
16:24:50 <mdean> ... couldn't find FLD on old page
16:25:15 <mdean> ACTION chrisw:  put banner and link on old Wiki page
16:25:32 <mdean> s/link/link to new Wiki page/
16:25:40 <AxelPolleres> I'd suggest to remove all text there and ONLY have the pointer!
16:25:48 <AxelPolleres> (and make the page immutable)
16:25:50 <ChrisW> action: cwelty to clear old wiki front page
16:25:50 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-424 - Clear old wiki front page [on Christopher Welty - due 2008-02-26].
16:25:58 <mdean> csma:  12 or 13 people
16:26:20 <mdean> csma:  email regarding any special food requirements - no response - will include vegetarian
16:26:38 <mdean> csma: fois gras is not vegetarian - tofu version doesn't taste the same
16:26:49 <mdean> csma:  lunch may include fois gras
16:27:14 <mdean> csma;  remote attendance?
16:27:18 <mdean> mdean:  yes
16:27:23 <AxelPolleres> :-)
16:27:26 <mdean> csma:  Dave Reynolds may also call in
16:28:03 <mdean> csma:  objectives posted on F2F9 page - finalize second public WD of BLD, etc.
16:28:11 <josb> q+
16:28:40 <csma> ack josb
16:28:48 <mdean> csma:  Jeff Pan asked for session about test cases - will add at end
16:29:25 <mdean> josb:  does BLD require FLD publication?
16:29:46 <mdean> ChrisW:  BLD completely depends on FLD
16:30:23 <mdean> csma:  item for discussion - synchronized at least for this publication
16:30:33 <mdean> josb:  agenda only talks about BLD
16:30:52 <mdean> ... could have some objections since this makes document harder to read
16:30:58 <mdean> s/have/imagine/
16:31:22 <Zakim> -Harold
16:32:22 <mdean> ACTION csma modify F2F9 meeting page after meeting to include FLD
16:32:36 <mdean> s/csma/csma:
16:32:53 <josb> q+
16:32:54 <mdean> ACTION csma:  modify F2F9 meeting page to include FLD
16:33:29 <mdean> Sandro:  conventions for latest snapshot
16:33:49 <mdean> ... confused about what versions people should be reading
16:33:58 <mdean> ... some changes since February 12 version
16:33:58 <AdrianP> Zakim, unmute me
16:33:58 <Zakim> AdrianP should no longer be muted
16:34:17 <mdean> ... email responses from editors don't answer questions
16:34:56 <mdean> ... color coded diffs helpful in review cycle - no need to repeat comments
16:35:13 <mdean> ... need to know when to freeze
16:35:30 <mdean> ... would also like to move to MediaWiki today so another round of reviews isn't needed
16:35:41 <mdean> csma:  Harold in Germany
16:35:48 <mdean> ChrisW:  Michael Kifer en route
16:35:55 <mdean> csma:  frozen version of OWL RDF
16:36:11 <mdean> ... still have review changes to PRD - should be able to freeze tonight
16:36:36 <mdean> ... or half an hour from now
16:36:58 <mdean> josb:  OWL RDF linked from email and old front page
16:37:07 <Zakim> + +49.228.372.aadd
16:37:09 <mdean> ... no changes since Wiki
16:37:18 <mdean> s/old/reading list on old/
16:37:19 <josb> q-
16:37:21 <ChrisW> zakim, aadd is Harold
16:37:21 <Zakim> +Harold; got it
16:37:47 <mdean> Harold:  some changes to FLD after freezing
16:38:00 <mdean> Sandro:  will make new version with color-coded diffs for FLD
16:38:08 <mdean> ... but not for OWL, RDF, or PRD
16:38:34 <mdean> josb:  OWL RDF already on MediaWiki
16:38:47 <mdean> s/OWL, /OWL/
16:39:04 <mdean> s/RDF,/RDF/
16:39:59 <mdean> Harold:  can move to MediaWiki now - need to alert Michael Kifer
16:40:22 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
16:40:22 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
16:40:23 <mdean> sandro:  will try to do today or tomorrow and send email to Michael
16:40:49 <mdean> Harold:  Michael should arrive in Paris early tomorrow
16:41:14 <mdean> ChrisW:  hold off pending confirmation in case Michael makes edits on the plane
16:41:21 <AdrianP> Zakim, unmute me
16:41:21 <Zakim> AdrianP should no longer be muted
16:41:45 <mdean> ChrisW:  what about converting UCR to MediaWiki
16:42:00 <mdean> s/MediaWiki/MediaWiki?/
16:42:01 <AdrianP> let's discuss UCR durin f2f
16:42:08 <mdean> ... not being maintained
16:42:41 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
16:42:41 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
16:43:04 <mdean> sandro:  will wait for Michael for both BLD and FLD
16:43:31 <AdrianP> PRD is also already on the Media WIKI
16:43:44 <mdean> sandro:  PRD freeze in an hour or so, move later
16:44:11 <mdean> topic:  AOB
16:44:26 <LeoraMorgenstern> yes,
16:44:29 <LeoraMorgenstern> i think it is March 4.
16:45:34 <mdean> Leora:  willing scribe for March 4
16:45:54 <mdean> csma:  informal telecon February 26 to recap F2F9 for those not present
16:46:00 <ChrisW> zakim, list attendees
16:46:00 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.212.781.aaaa, LeoraMorgenstern, Sandro, Mike_Dean, csma, Axel_Polleres, ChrisW, +49.351.463.4.aabb, josb, AdrianP, Harold,
16:46:00 <mdean> adjourned
16:46:03 <Zakim> ... +43.158.801.1aacc, +49.228.372.aadd
16:46:05 <AxelPolleres> bye see you soon!
16:46:07 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make logs public
16:46:07 <Zakim> -Harold
16:46:08 <AdrianP> bye
16:46:12 <Zakim> -Axel_Polleres
16:46:13 <Zakim> -josb
16:46:14 <Zakim> -AdrianP
16:46:16 <Zakim> -LeoraMorgenstern
16:46:25 <ChrisW> Regrets: IgorMozetic DaveReynolds PaulVincent HassanAitKaci
16:46:31 <ChrisW> rrsagent, make minutes
16:46:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/19-rif-minutes.html ChrisW
16:46:58 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
16:47:02 <csma> zakim, hwo is on the phone?
16:47:02 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, csma.
16:47:08 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:47:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see csma, Sandro, ChrisW
16:47:24 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:47:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see csma, Sandro, ChrisW
16:49:50 <Zakim> -Sandro
16:49:52 <Zakim> -ChrisW
16:49:52 <Zakim> -csma
16:49:53 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
16:49:54 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.212.781.aaaa, LeoraMorgenstern, Sandro, Mike_Dean, csma, Axel_Polleres, ChrisW, +49.351.463.4.aabb, josb, AdrianP, Harold, +43.158.801.1aacc, +49.228.372.aadd
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