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14:58:18 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: XML Schema Patterns for Databinding Working Group Teleconference
14:58:18 <trackbot-ng> Date: 19 February 2008
14:58:24 <pauld> scribe: pauld
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14:59:47 <gcowe> ok, no problem!
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15:00:52 <Zakim> +George_Cowe
15:02:32 <Zakim> + +0207809aaaa
15:02:38 <pauld> zakim, code?
15:02:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 3294 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), pauld
15:03:06 <Zakim> + +0791888aabb
15:03:12 <pauld> zakim, aabb is me
15:03:16 <Zakim> +pauld; got it
15:03:30 <pauld> zakim, aaaa is Jonc
15:03:30 <Zakim> +Jonc; got it
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15:03:40 <pauld> zakim, who is here?
15:03:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see George_Cowe, Jonc, pauld
15:03:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see JonC, gcowe, Zakim, RRSAgent, pauld, trackbot-ng, Yves
15:03:59 <pauld> Topic: Administriva
15:04:11 <pauld> minutes from the last telcon approved
15:05:49 <pauld> Topic: Missing Examples?
15:06:34 <pauld> Jonc: we're down to the last 17 patterns 
15:06:56 <JonC> List of patterns without example: AttributeFormQualified
15:07:11 <pauld> pauld: I felt that as far as Basic was concerned, we're done!
15:08:25 <pauld> gcowe: I've been checking and putting them into CVS on Jon's behalf
15:09:18 <pauld> pauld: how do we know which ones we can't write examples for?
15:09:33 <pauld> jonc: formqualified is hard one to hit
15:09:56 <JonC> AttributeFormQualified,ComplexTypeAnyAttribute, ElementFormUnqualified, ExtendedSequenceLaxAny, ExtendedSequenceLaxOther, ExtendedSequenceSkipAny ExtendedSequenceSkipOther ExtendedSequenceStrictAny ExtendedSequenceStrictOther ExtendedSimpleContent MixedComplexContent QualifiedLocalAttributes SequenceAnyStrict SimpleContentAnyAttribute UnionSimpleAndMemberTypes UnionSimpleTypes UnqualifiedLocalElements
15:10:35 <pauld> pauld: unqualified we can probably ignore, except I know the WSDL 2.0 test suite used them. Nobody in the wild does, and they're not BP 
15:11:54 <pauld> gcowe: we can't really prove unqualified elements, without adding a default namespace
15:12:19 <pauld> pauld: unless the default namespace is "" it's not a valid test
15:13:50 <pauld> pauld: at this point, I'm not worried about running the tests, but good examples in 6/09 would be, er, good
15:14:40 <JonC> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/patterns/6/09/AttributeReferenceUnqualified/
15:16:00 <pauld> this example looks easy to write an example for?
15:17:02 <pauld> pauld: can't we add a flag to an example to fill in a default namespace
15:20:01 <pauld> ACTION: downeyp to enhance the explode_examples.xsl to add a default namespace
15:20:01 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - downeyp
15:20:12 <pauld> ACTION: pdowney to enhance the explode_examples.xsl to add a default namespace
15:20:12 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-128 - Enhance the explode_examples.xsl to add a default namespace [on Paul Downey - due 2008-02-26].
15:23:02 <pauld> if it's elementFormDefault="unqualified" (the default), then you need a flag to switch that off in the generated WSDL/Schemas. 
15:24:03 <pauld> pauld: I'll have a think about supporting these and other xs:schema attibutes
15:24:55 <pauld> jonc; last issue is the ExtendedSequence etc
15:25:04 <pauld> s/;/:/
15:26:10 <pauld> jonc: exploding into lots of separate patterns
15:26:18 <pauld> pauld: how do we know when we're done?
15:26:44 <pauld> .. want to be driven by the collection
15:26:53 <pauld> jonc: I'm prepared to do the work
15:29:00 <pauld> pauld: at this stage we'll accept patterns, so long as they don't make "Basic" "Advanced" 
15:29:14 <pauld> .. i.e don't bu993r it up :)
15:29:49 <pauld> gcowe: gday, gyear, gmonth, are simple, but don't involve timezones
15:30:17 <pauld> jonc: it's all paul's fault - wanted to keep it simple as possible!
15:30:25 <pauld> pauld: *dunk*
15:31:21 <pauld> gcowe: .NET and others have issues for non-timezone instances
15:31:49 <pauld> s/ACTION: downeyp to enhance the explode_examples.xsl to add a default namespace//
15:32:47 <JonC>     G pattern     <xs:pattern value="--10|--11|--12"/>
15:34:02 <pauld> pauld: does timezone qualified make sense here?
15:34:53 <pauld> gcowe: yeah, looks fine as we are
15:35:08 <pauld> pauld: thanks so much for all this work!
15:35:15 <pauld> Topic: Collection
15:38:04 <pauld> pauld: I'm still working on the collection, in particular annotating the schema with patterns detected. turns out to be computing intensive. 
15:38:12 <pauld> .. will continue to work on this
15:38:22 <pauld> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/collection/
15:38:47 <pauld> we hope to use this to drive patterns
15:40:28 <pauld> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/collection/collection.xml
15:41:18 <pauld> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=definitions+filetype%3Awsdl&btnG=Google+Search
15:42:00 <pauld> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+filetype%3Axsd&btnG=Search
15:42:38 <pauld> pauld: some sites, you have to sign up, in which case I've taken a snapshot, but that's member-visible
15:43:45 <pauld> jonc: I see lots of pendings in the report
15:45:45 <pauld> pauld: jonc, you need to push me to work on the collection!
15:45:56 <pauld> gcowe: is the collection report upto date?
15:46:03 <pauld> pauld: rebuilding, now ..
15:46:54 <pauld> pauld: ah, Origo are all Advanced! cool!
15:50:38 <pauld> jonc: list looking good
15:52:06 <pauld> gcowe: will add some more Origo schemas
15:52:48 <pauld> pauld: if you know of other schemas, let us know!
15:52:55 <pauld> Topic: Test Suite
15:53:17 <pauld> gcowe: not been running it, waiting until we clear the missing examples list
15:53:26 <pauld> pauld: sounds absolutely fine!
15:56:09 <pauld> Topic: Meeting
15:56:36 <pauld> pauld: not planning on meeting again. sounds fine?
15:57:21 <pauld> s/meeting/meeting F2F/
15:57:30 <pauld> next telcon in three weeks time
15:58:14 <Zakim> -George_Cowe
16:00:39 <Zakim> -Jonc
16:00:43 <Zakim> -pauld
16:00:45 <Zakim> WS_DBWG()10:00AM has ended
16:00:47 <Zakim> Attendees were George_Cowe, +0207809aaaa, +0791888aabb, pauld, Jonc
16:01:46 <pauld> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:01:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/19-databinding-minutes.html pauld
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