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21:01:56 <Ben> RRSAgent, make log world
21:02:04 <Ben> zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
21:02:04 <Zakim> ok, Ben, I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM already started
21:02:12 <Ben> Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
21:02:24 <Ben> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2008JanMar/0061.html
21:02:33 <Ben> Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:02:38 <Ben> ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
21:03:06 <Ben> Regrets: Tim_Boland, Sean_Hayes
21:03:20 <Ben> agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
21:03:27 <Ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
21:03:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey, Ben, Alex_Li, ??P16, ??P17
21:03:35 <Ben> zakim, Ben is Ben_Caldwell
21:03:35 <Zakim> +Ben_Caldwell; got it
21:04:07 <Sofia> Alex_Li has Sofia_Celic
21:04:10 <Ben> zakim, ??P16 may be David_MacDonald
21:04:10 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald?; got it
21:04:15 <Zakim> +??P20
21:04:18 <Sofia> zakim, Alex_Li has Sofia_Celic
21:04:18 <Zakim> +Sofia_Celic; got it
21:04:21 <Ben> zakim, ??P17 may be Gregg_Vanderheiden
21:04:21 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden?; got it
21:04:35 <rellero> zakim, ??P20 is Roberto_Ellero
21:04:35 <Zakim> +Roberto_Ellero; got it
21:04:46 <Ben> agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
21:04:54 <Ben> agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 14 February 2008
21:05:05 <Ben> agenda+ Principle 1 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008
21:05:12 <Ben> agenda+ Principles 2, 3, 4 Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008
21:05:15 <Zakim> +??P19
21:05:19 <Ben> agenda+ Techniques Related Proposals for 14 Feb 2008
21:05:24 <bengt> zakim, ??P19 is Bengt_Farre
21:05:24 <Zakim> +Bengt_Farre; got it
21:05:43 <Zakim> +Cooper
21:06:19 <Ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
21:06:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey, Ben_Caldwell, Alex_Li, David_MacDonald?, Gregg_Vanderheiden?, Roberto_Ellero, Bengt_Farre, Cooper
21:06:23 <Zakim> Alex_Li has Sofia_Celic
21:06:29 <Zakim> +??P15
21:06:46 <Ben> zakim, ??P15 is Katie_Haritos_Shea
21:06:46 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos_Shea; got it
21:06:47 <Christophe> Christophe has joined #wai-wcag
21:07:31 <Zakim> +??P13
21:07:31 <David_MacDonald> David_MacDonald has joined #wai-wcag
21:08:34 <Nikolaos_Floratos> Nikolaos_Floratos has joined #wai-WCAG
21:08:41 <Christophe> Zakim, code?
21:08:41 <Zakim> the conference code is 9224 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Christophe
21:09:03 <Zakim> +??P0
21:09:04 <Zakim> + +1.410.757.aaaa
21:09:29 <Ben> scribe: Sofia
21:09:33 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P0 is Nikolaos_Floratos
21:09:33 <Zakim> +Nikolaos_Floratos; got it
21:09:38 <MichaelC> zakim, mute nikolaos
21:09:38 <Zakim> Nikolaos_Floratos should now be muted
21:09:48 <MichaelC> zakim, +1.410 is Drew_LaHart
21:09:48 <Zakim> +Drew_LaHart; got it
21:10:18 <Sofia> \me says okay!
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21:10:40 <Ben> scribe: Drew
21:11:07 <Drew> topic: Announcements, Questions, and Updates
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21:12:09 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow_Weaver
21:12:15 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
21:12:35 <MichaelC> zakim, Microsoft is Cynthia_Shelly
21:12:35 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
21:12:35 <Drew> survey - Miscellaneous Proposals for 14 February 2008
21:12:37 <Drew>      Survey: <http://tinyurl.com/2beu6s>
21:13:00 <Andi> Andi has joined #wai-wcag
21:13:16 <MichaelC> zakim, mute Christophe
21:13:16 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe? should now be muted
21:14:02 <Drew> Resolution: Unanimous consent accepted for 2484, 2396, 2519, 2522
21:14:16 <Andi> zakim, who is on the phone?
21:14:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey, Ben_Caldwell, Alex_Li, David_MacDonald?, Gregg_Vanderheiden?, Roberto_Ellero, Bengt_Farre, Cooper, Katie_Haritos_Shea,
21:14:19 <Zakim> ... Nikolaos_Floratos?, Christophe_Strobbe? (muted), Drew_LaHart, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cynthia_Shelly
21:14:22 <Zakim> Alex_Li has Sofia_Celic
21:15:51 <Ben> zakim, who is making noise?
21:16:02 <Zakim> Ben, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Christophe_Strobbe? (27%), Loretta_Guarino_Reid (9%), Bruce_Bailey (23%), Cynthia_Shelly (30%), Katie_Haritos_Shea
21:16:05 <Zakim> ... (9%), David_MacDonald? (39%)
21:16:36 <Ben> zakim, who is making noise?
21:16:38 <Drew> topic: Issue 2484: clarify keyboard shortcut
21:16:49 <Zakim> Ben, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Christophe_Strobbe? (78%)
21:17:00 <Ben> zakim, mute Christophe
21:17:00 <Zakim> Christophe_Strobbe? should now be muted
21:17:23 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe?
21:18:00 <Drew> Resolution: Accept 2484
21:18:14 <Zakim> + +0321632aabb
21:18:16 <Drew> Topic: Issue 2465: what if it's not the author's fault?
21:20:21 <MichaelC> q+
21:21:43 <MichaelC> q+ to say I'd normally agree with the idea that users migrate to browsers that work better, but in this example I think users did migrate to FF because it was better for them in certain particular respects, but happens to have this particular problem nonetheless
21:23:30 <MichaelC> ack me
21:23:30 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say I'd normally agree with the idea that users migrate to browsers that work better, but in this example I think users did migrate to FF because it was
21:23:34 <Zakim> ... better for them in certain particular respects, but happens to have this particular problem nonetheless
21:24:09 <MichaelC> ack k
21:28:35 <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
21:28:42 <Drew> Resolution: Leave open 2465
21:29:25 <Drew> Resolution: Reopen and revisit 2501
21:30:19 <Drew> topic: Issue 2527-2530: add a guideline for understandable navigation (multiple 2.4.X criteria)
21:31:26 <Drew> Resoltion: Accept as amended Issue 2527-2530
21:31:39 <Drew> s/Resoltion/Resolution
21:32:19 <Drew> topic: Issue 2508: Contrast ratio (on text edges)
21:33:27 <Zakim> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
21:34:29 <Zakim> +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
21:36:40 <Drew> Resolution: Reopen 2508
21:36:56 <Drew> topic: Issue 2510: abbreviation refers to "organization"?
21:37:37 <Drew> Resolution: Accepted 2510 as amended
21:38:43 <Drew> topic: Issue 2514: accessibility supported - users' assistive technologies
21:48:43 <Drew> Resolution: Accept 2514 as amended
21:48:57 <Drew> topic: Issue 2518: captions - awkward wording
21:57:32 <Drew> Resolution: Accept 2518 as amended
21:57:47 <Drew> topic: Issue 2519: conforming alternative version - awkward wording
21:57:55 <Drew> Resolution: Accept as amended
21:58:02 <Drew> topic: Issue 2550: flash
21:59:02 <Drew> s/Resolution: Accept as amended/Resolution: Accept 2518 as amended
21:59:03 <Zakim> + +0154558aacc - is perhaps Sean_Hayes
21:59:12 <Drew> Resolution: Accept 2550 as amended
21:59:23 <Drew> topic: Issue 2551: general flash and red threshold - confusing jargon?
22:05:13 <Drew> Resolution: Accept 2551 as proposed
22:06:25 <Drew> Resolution: Accept Position or resistance that is accepted by the joint teitac/wcag working group.   
22:06:53 <Drew> topic: Issue 2558: set of Web pages - clarify
22:07:31 <Ben> s/resistance/distance
22:08:08 <Loretta> ack b
22:12:50 <Drew> topic: Issue 2559: set of Web pages - unnecessarily convolute
22:16:42 <Drew> Resolution: Accept 2559 as amended
22:17:25 <Drew> Resolution: Accept 2558 as amended
22:17:36 <Drew> topic: Issue 2561: synchronised media - awkward
22:21:01 <Drew> Resolution: Reopen 2561
22:21:11 <Drew> topic: Issue 2564: web page example 4
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22:23:34 <Ben> zakim, mute Andrew
22:23:34 <Zakim> Andrew_Kirkpatrick should now be muted
22:24:32 <Drew> Resolution: Accept 2564 as amended
22:25:45 <Drew> topic: Issue 2571: changes of context definition
22:27:24 <Drew> Resolution: Accept 2571 as amended
22:27:43 <Drew> topic: Issue 2478: Optional components and the hint of metadata
22:29:31 <Drew> Resolution: Accept 2478 as amended
22:29:40 <Drew> topic: Issue 2506: Conformance logos
22:31:27 <Drew> Resolution: Accept 2506 as proposed
22:31:38 <Drew> topic: Issue 2542: Can "conforming alternate versions" be objects on a page?
22:34:13 <Drew> Action: Editors to find a home for Seans comment in the into and/or understanding - " all the information is conforming or has a conforming alternative that is available from the page"
22:34:35 <Drew> s/into/Intro
22:36:11 <Drew> Resolution: Accept 2542 as amended
22:36:24 <Drew> topic: Issue 2450: Provide a quick reference for web designer
22:39:13 <Loretta> Ben, while you are in there, can you fix typo? "buy" -> "by"
22:43:28 <Drew> Resolution: Accept 2450 as amended
22:43:43 <Drew> Resolution: Accept 2461 as amended
22:44:33 <Drew> topic: Issue 2485: Several Success Criteria include specific values
22:45:49 <Drew> Resolution: Accept 2485 as amended
22:46:00 <Drew> topic: Issue 2543: WCAG 2.0 should advance to Candidate Recommendation
22:46:57 <Drew> Resolution: Accept 2543 as amended
22:47:07 <Drew> topic: Issue 2567: Allow users to filter out HTML techniques
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22:48:30 <awk> q+
22:49:41 <GreggVan> ack c
22:49:45 <GreggVan> ack a
22:49:48 <Ben> zakim, unmute Andrew
22:49:48 <Zakim> Andrew_Kirkpatrick should no longer be muted
22:51:07 <Loretta> q+
22:51:53 <GreggVan> CK L
22:51:56 <GreggVan> ACK L
22:51:57 <Ben> q+
22:53:01 <Ben> q-
22:54:02 <Drew> Resolution: Reopen 2567
22:54:13 <Drew> topic: Issue 2568: Consider title change (Quick Reference)
23:00:03 <Drew> Resolution: Accept 2568 as amended
23:00:53 <Drew> topic: Accept 2576 as amended
23:02:35 <Drew> s/topic: Accept 2576 as amended/Resolution: Accept 2576 as amended
23:02:53 <Drew> scribe:Christophe
23:03:00 <Christophe> topic: Issue 2577: Change "accessibility supported" to "accessibility-supporting"
23:04:44 <Zakim> -Drew_LaHart
23:08:36 <Andi> q+
23:10:17 <Loretta> ack a
23:13:29 <Christophe> resolution: accept issue 2577 as amended.
23:14:50 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
23:14:52 <Zakim> -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
23:14:53 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
23:14:53 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos_Shea
23:14:54 <Zakim> -Sean_Hayes
23:14:55 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald?
23:14:57 <Zakim> -Cooper
23:14:58 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
23:14:59 <Zakim> -Bengt_Farre
23:15:01 <Zakim> -Ben_Caldwell
23:15:02 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
23:15:04 <Zakim> -Gregg_Vanderheiden?
23:15:05 <Zakim> -Nikolaos_Floratos?
23:15:07 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
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23:15:09 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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23:16:10 <Christophe> rrsagent, make log world
23:16:39 <Christophe> rrsagent, generate minutes
23:16:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-wai-wcag-minutes.html Christophe
23:17:01 <Ben> Zakim, bye
23:17:01 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Bruce_Bailey, Ben_Caldwell, David_MacDonald?, Sofia_Celic, Gregg_Vanderheiden?, Roberto_Ellero, Bengt_Farre,
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23:17:04 <Zakim> ... Cooper, Katie_Haritos_Shea, +1.410.757.aaaa, Nikolaos_Floratos, Drew_LaHart, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Nikolaos_Floratos?, Christophe_Strobbe?, Cynthia_Shelly, +0321632aabb,
23:17:06 <Zakim> ... Christophe_Strobbe, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, +0154558aacc
23:17:12 <Ben> RRSAgent, bye
23:17:12 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
23:17:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Editors to find a home for Seans comment in the into and/or understanding - " all the information is conforming or has a conforming alternative that is available from the page" [1]
23:17:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-wai-wcag-irc#T22-34-13