IRC log of bpwg on 2008-02-14

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14:55:15 [trackbot-ng]: RRSAgent, make logs public
14:55:17 [trackbot-ng]: Zakim, this will be BPWG
14:55:17 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot-ng; I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
14:55:18 [trackbot-ng]: Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
14:55:18 [trackbot-ng]: Date: 14 February 2008
14:55:23 [jo]: chair: Jo
14:56:29 [miguel]: miguel has joined #bpwg
14:56:48 [Zakim]: MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has now started
14:56:55 [Zakim]: +Shahriar
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14:58:23 [Zakim]: +Jason
14:58:25 [Zakim]: + +91.44.42.22.aaaa
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14:58:42 [jo]: regrets: Dom, Francois, Nacho, Phil, Chaals, DKA, Heiko, Kemp, Eman, Tony_Johansson, David_Rooks, SeanP
14:59:09 [matt]: zakim, dial matt-voip
14:59:09 [Zakim]: ok, matt; the call is being made
14:59:10 [Zakim]: +Matt
14:59:26 [Zakim]: +MartinJ
14:59:53 [Zakim]: +berrueta
15:00:12 [miguel]: zakim, berrueta is me
15:00:12 [Zakim]: +miguel; got it
15:00:36 [edm]: edm has joined #bpwg
15:00:37 [jo]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Feb/0034.html
15:00:45 [Zakim]: +Ed_Mitukiewicz
15:00:48 [jo]: zakim, code?
15:00:48 [Zakim]: the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
15:01:11 [Zakim]: +Bryan_Sullivan
15:01:26 [Zakim]: + +0793201aabb
15:01:30 [Bryan]: Bryan has joined #bpwg
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15:01:51 [Zakim]: +??P21
15:02:03 [matt]: zakim, who is here?
15:02:06 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Shahriar, Jason, +91.44.42.22.aaaa, Matt, MartinJ, miguel, Ed_Mitukiewicz, Bryan_Sullivan, +0793201aabb, ??P21
15:02:17 [Zakim]: - +0793201aabb
15:02:22 [miguel]: zakim, abel is with me
15:02:23 [Zakim]: On IRC I see rob, Bryan, edm, MartinJ, abel, yeliz, miguel, RRSAgent, jo, matt, Zakim, trackbot-ng, dom
15:02:30 [AlanT]: AlanT has joined #bpwg
15:02:31 [Zakim]: +abel; got it
15:02:43 [Zakim]: +jo
15:03:07 [jo]: zakim, aaa is murari
15:03:17 [Zakim]: sorry, jo, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
15:03:34 [jo]: zakim, aaaa is murari
15:03:40 [srowen]: srowen has joined #bpwg
15:03:49 [Zakim]: +murari; got it
15:03:57 [skarim]: skarim has joined #bpwg
15:04:23 [matt]: zakim, who is here?
15:04:23 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Shahriar, Jason, murari, Matt, MartinJ, miguel, Ed_Mitukiewicz, Bryan_Sullivan, ??P21, jo
15:04:26 [Zakim]: miguel has miguel, abel
15:04:27 [Zakim]: On IRC I see skarim, srowen, AlanT, rob, Bryan, edm, MartinJ, abel, yeliz, miguel, RRSAgent, jo, matt, Zakim, trackbot-ng, dom
15:04:55 [Zakim]: -??P21
15:05:22 [edm]: scribe: edm
15:05:32 [edm]: scribenick: edm
15:05:33 [Zakim]: +??P31
15:05:50 [jo]: zakim, ??P31 is Yeliz
15:05:50 [Zakim]: +Yeliz; got it
15:06:07 [edm]: agenda: f2f update
15:06:15 [jo]: Topic: Korea F2F
15:06:55 [Zakim]: +Sean_Owen
15:06:55 [edm]: jo: questionnaire is now open to confirm/unconform attendance of the Seoul f2f
15:06:56 [jo]: -> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/seoulf2f/ Seoul Questionnaire
15:07:14 [edm]: s/unconform/unconfirm/
15:07:33 [edm]: jo: completing the questionnaire would be mandatory
15:07:53 [edm]: jo: please complete within a week....
15:08:24 [edm]: jo: DanA working on the agenda for the Mobile Wednesday event in Seoul
15:08:32 [Zakim]: +Kai_Dietrich
15:08:38 [edm]: Topic: June f2f
15:08:45 [jo]: Topic: F2F Zaragoza
15:09:02 [Zakim]: + +0207287aacc
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15:09:38 [edm]: jo: need to confirm the Zaragoza location today - f2f during the week of June 9
15:09:43 [rob]: zakim, aacc is rob
15:09:43 [Zakim]: +rob; got it
15:09:58 [jo]: PROPOSED RESOLUTION: JUne F2F to be held week of 9th June in Zaragoza
15:10:11 [Zakim]: +??P35
15:10:13 [Bryan]: -1
15:10:13 [jo]: +1
15:10:22 [achuter]: zakim, ??P35 is me
15:10:22 [Zakim]: +achuter; got it
15:10:26 [matt]: -1
15:10:29 [achuter]: zakim, mute me
15:10:29 [Zakim]: achuter should now be muted
15:11:06 [matt]: This F2F, as with the one in March is in conflict with Voice Browser WG
15:11:09 [edm]: jo: would like to request posting a questionnaire for the June f2f
15:11:49 [edm]: jo: moving the date would require moving to a different location
15:11:51 [Bryan]: q+
15:11:51 [edm]: +1
15:11:58 [achuter]: zakim, unmute me
15:11:58 [Zakim]: achuter should no longer be muted
15:12:00 [MartinJ]: +1
15:12:19 [matt]: zakim, who is making noise?
15:12:27 [achuter]: zakim, mute me
15:12:28 [jo]: ack br
15:12:29 [Zakim]: achuter should now be muted
15:12:31 [Zakim]: matt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Shahriar (13%), Bryan_Sullivan (7%), jo (53%), Sean_Owen (4%), achuter (29%)
15:14:05 [matt]: q+
15:14:11 [edm]: jo: let's defer making a decision until it is clear if the meeting could be rescheduled yet remain in Zaragoza
15:14:12 [matt]: q-
15:14:52 [edm]: ACTION: matt to post a questionnaire re June f2f by Feb.21
15:14:52 [trackbot-ng]: Created ACTION-657 - Post a questionnaire re June f2f by Feb.21 [on Matt Womer - due 2008-02-21].
15:15:38 [edm]: Topic: reports from Task Forces
15:16:04 [edm]: jo: nothing new to report re Content TF - no call this week
15:16:36 [edm]: srowen: beta release of reference checker is now complete
15:17:01 [jo]: i/srowen/Topic: Checker Task FOrce
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15:17:40 [edm]: srowen: should be a near final version, but May release expected after remaining bugs are weeded out
15:17:47 [achuter]: zakim, mute me
15:17:47 [Zakim]: achuter was already muted, achuter
15:17:51 [yeliz]: mute yeliz
15:17:57 [matt]: zakim, mute yeliz
15:17:57 [Zakim]: Yeliz should now be muted
15:18:06 [edm]: Topic: MobileOk Pro
15:18:14 [matt]: zakim, who is making noise?
15:18:25 [Zakim]: matt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Shahriar (22%), Kai_Dietrich (98%)
15:18:32 [matt]: zakim, mute shahriar
15:18:32 [Zakim]: Shahriar should now be muted
15:18:37 [matt]: zakim, unmute shahriar
15:18:39 [Zakim]: Shahriar should no longer be muted
15:18:45 [edm]: Kai: had a f2f last week in London - produced a revised charter and vreated first draft of MobileOk Pro tests
15:18:52 [matt]: zakim, who is making noise?
15:19:03 [Zakim]: matt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Shahriar (35%), jo (61%), Kai_Dietrich (17%)
15:19:05 [yeliz]: Upps, thanks for pointing that out, Matt
15:19:23 [edm]: Kai: draft MobileOk Pro test document to be available within a couple of weeks
15:19:31 [matt]: rrsagent, draft minutes
15:19:31 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html matt
15:19:37 [edm]: s/vreated/created/
15:19:39 [matt]: rrsagent, make logs member-visible
15:19:43 [jo]: ACTION-639?
15:19:43 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-639 -- Kai Scheppe to create a more elaborate charter with times, deliverables -- due 2008-02-12 -- OPEN
15:19:43 [trackbot-ng]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/639
15:20:22 [matt]: zakim, mute shahriar temporarily
15:20:22 [Zakim]: Shahriar should now be muted
15:20:37 [Zakim]: Shahriar should now be unmuted again
15:20:47 [matt]: zakim, who is making noise?
15:20:50 [jo]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2008Feb/0027.html Proposed mobileOK Pro Charter
15:20:58 [Zakim]: matt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Shahriar (29%), jo (45%), Sean_Owen (24%)
15:21:06 [matt]: zakim, mute sean_owen temporarily
15:21:06 [Zakim]: Sean_Owen should now be muted
15:21:08 [srowen]: zakim, mute me
15:21:08 [Zakim]: sorry, srowen, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:21:18 [srowen]: (sorry, construction going on outside the window)
15:21:22 [Zakim]: Sean_Owen should now be unmuted again
15:21:24 [matt]: zakim, mute sean_owen
15:21:24 [Zakim]: Sean_Owen should now be muted
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15:21:53 [matt]: rrsagent, make minutes public
15:21:53 [RRSAgent]: I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', matt. Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:22:00 [matt]: rrsagent, make logs public
15:22:08 [matt]: s/Upps, thanks for pointing that out, Matt//
15:22:27 [matt]: s/mute yeliz//
15:22:34 [jo]: PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Accept mobileOK Pro Charter as suggested by Kai under ACTION-639 modified to make clear ref black box testing
15:23:23 [jo]: RESOLUTION: Accept mobileOK Pro Charter as suggested by Kai under ACTION-639 modified to make clear ref black box testing
15:23:26 [matt]: rrsagent, make logs public
15:23:35 [matt]: rrsagent, draft minutes
15:23:35 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html matt
15:24:29 [Kai]: ACTION: Kai to amend charter with black box part
15:24:29 [trackbot-ng]: Created ACTION-658 - Amend charter with black box part [on Kai Scheppe - due 2008-02-21].
15:24:30 [edm]: jo: suggests creation of a dedicated page for MobileOk Pro TF
15:24:32 [jo]: ACTION: Scheppe to sort out administrative aspects of TF like a Web page
15:24:32 [trackbot-ng]: Created ACTION-659 - Sort out administrative aspects of TF like a Web page [on Kai Scheppe - due 2008-02-21].
15:25:01 [jo]: close ACTION-639
15:25:01 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-639 Create a more elaborate charter with times, deliverables closed
15:25:13 [jo]: close ACTION-612
15:25:13 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-612 Write a charter for mobileOK Pro TF by January closed
15:25:25 [edm]: Kai: most of the MobileOk Pro related admin issues have been dealt with
15:25:40 [jo]: close ACTION-636
15:25:40 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-636 Put together a reasonble time table for completion of mobileOK Pro by the end of BPWG closed
15:25:54 [jo]: close ACTION-648
15:25:54 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-648 Update the charter document based on output of F2F closed
15:26:14 [matt]: rrsagent, draft minutes
15:26:14 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html matt
15:26:15 [jo]: ACTION-647?
15:26:15 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-647 -- Kai Scheppe to create a response to the concerns of the WG -- due 2008-02-13 -- OPEN
15:26:15 [trackbot-ng]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/647
15:26:27 [jo]: cloase ACTION-647
15:26:34 [matt]: i/RESOLUTION: Accept mobileOK /Scribe: Jo/
15:26:44 [jo]: close ACTION-647
15:26:44 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-647 Create a response to the concerns of the WG closed
15:26:59 [matt]: i/ACTION: Kai to amend/Scribe: edm/
15:27:02 [matt]: rrsagent, draft minutes
15:27:02 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html matt
15:27:46 [jo]: ACTION-643?
15:27:47 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-643 -- Kai Scheppe to post the test format to the list -- due 2008-02-12 -- OPEN
15:27:47 [trackbot-ng]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/643
15:28:01 [jo]: close ACTION-643
15:28:01 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-643 Post the test format to the list closed
15:28:33 [jo]: close ISSUE-236
15:28:52 [jo]: s/close ISSUE-236//
15:29:10 [edm]: Kai: Issue-236 requires a tool that emulates the DDC for testing
15:29:28 [edm]: Topic: WCAG2.0
15:29:31 [achuter]: zakim, unmute me
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15:30:08 [yeliz]: zakim, unmute yeliz
15:30:08 [Zakim]: Yeliz should no longer be muted
15:30:10 [edm]: achuter: not much progress over the last week or two - same darft still in place
15:30:26 [edm]: s/darft/draft/
15:30:31 [achuter]: zakim, mute me
15:30:31 [Zakim]: achuter should now be muted
15:31:05 [jo]: -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/WD-mwbp-wcag-20080129/mwbp-wcag20.html#MEASURES Resume from MEASURES
15:31:11 [edm]: Yeliz: working now on V1 comparison document ...
15:32:02 [edm]: Yeliz: not clear when this will be completed - should have an idea next week
15:32:18 [achuter]: zakim, unmute me
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15:32:24 [yeliz]: zakim, mute yeliz
15:32:24 [Zakim]: Yeliz should now be muted
15:33:56 [achuter]: zakim, mute me
15:33:56 [Zakim]: achuter should now be muted
15:34:20 [achuter]: zakim, unmute me
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15:34:26 [edm]: Achuter: there are WCAG2.0 provisions for using relative units of measure
15:34:53 [achuter]: zakim, mute me
15:34:53 [Zakim]: achuter should now be muted
15:35:50 [achuter]: zakim, unmute me
15:35:50 [Zakim]: achuter should no longer be muted
15:35:54 [achuter]: zakim, mute me
15:35:54 [Zakim]: achuter should now be muted
15:36:42 [achuter]: zakim, unmute me
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15:37:15 [achuter]: zakim, mute me
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15:38:14 [edm]: achuter: Mininimal Keystrokes and NAVbar BP points are not mentioned in WCAG2.0 as they are difficult to test...
15:38:24 [achuter]: zakim, unmute me
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15:38:33 [Bryan]: q+
15:38:38 [achuter]: zakim, mute me
15:38:38 [Zakim]: achuter should now be muted
15:38:47 [jo]: ack bry
15:39:02 [edm]: achuter: content w/o frames is usually easier to use by anybody ...
15:39:33 [Zakim]: -achuter
15:39:37 [edm]: jo: break from WCAG for now - over to Bryan re BP2
15:39:50 [jo]: Topic: BP"
15:40:00 [srowen]: q+
15:40:01 [jo]: s/BP"/BP-2
15:40:22 [edm]: Bryan: still collecting comments on the existing BP-2 draft...
15:40:26 [srowen]: zakim, unmute Sean_Owen
15:40:26 [Zakim]: Sean_Owen should no longer be muted
15:40:49 [edm]: Bryan: perhaps bringing up specific BP-2 topics on the public list may help ...
15:40:59 [jo]: ack se
15:41:03 [jo]: ack sro
15:41:12 [edm]: srowen: just sent a message to the list on that
15:41:17 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
15:41:25 [jo]: ACTION: Bryan to raise specific points of discussion on Public List
15:41:25 [trackbot-ng]: Created ACTION-660 - Raise specific points of discussion on Public List [on Bryan Sullivan - due 2008-02-21].
15:41:36 [achuter]: zakim, +[IPcaller] is me
15:41:36 [Zakim]: sorry, achuter, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
15:41:44 [edm]: Sean message is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-bpwg/2008Feb/0059.html
15:41:44 [achuter]: zakim, +IPcaller is me
15:41:44 [Zakim]: sorry, achuter, I do not recognize a party named '+IPcaller'
15:41:57 [jo]: zakim, IPCaller is achuter
15:41:57 [Zakim]: +achuter; got it
15:42:40 [edm]: srowen: we should clarify ADC ...
15:43:24 [jo]: q?
15:43:30 [edm]: Bryan: ADC is a broader scope question - need to be resolved by the group...
15:43:56 [Kai]: q+
15:44:12 [jo]: ack kai
15:44:29 [edm]: srowen: concerned that not addressing the ADC assumptions could make specifcying BPs quite difficult
15:45:19 [edm]: jo: perhaps we should raise the ADC issue and have another discussion on the public list
15:45:52 [srowen]: zakim, mute Sean_Owen
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15:46:26 [edm]: Kai: technical discussion should be on a public list ...
15:46:43 [edm]: Bryan: but should the discussion of scope be on the public list?
15:47:07 [srowen]: + 1 to discussing on the public list
15:47:10 [edm]: Jo: yes - unless there are objections...
15:47:17 [Zakim]: -Bryan_Sullivan
15:47:33 [edm]: jo: back to review Alan's doc ...
15:47:35 [achuter]: zakim, unmute me
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15:47:55 [edm]: Topic: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/WD-mwbp-wcag-20080129/mwbp-wcag20.html#MEASURES
15:48:09 [jo]: Topic: Accessibility Doc (bis)
15:48:13 [achuter]: NON-TEXT_ALTERNATIVES
15:48:15 [jo]: Resuming from http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/WD-mwbp-wcag-20080129/mwbp-wcag20.html#NON-TEXT_ALTERNATIVES
15:49:45 [edm]: achuter: there are non-text elements other than images...
15:51:43 [edm]: jo: do not rely on the longdesc attribute of the img element which is often not supported
15:52:00 [Kai]: q+
15:52:14 [jo]: ack k
15:52:22 [achuter]: zakim, unmute me
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15:53:29 [edm]: achuter: should clarify that plug-ins may interfere with assistive technology - or be unavailable in a mobile environment
15:55:33 [edm]: achuter: page titles are quite important in a disability context - using short titles (as per BP) may not be helpful
15:55:53 [yeliz]: q+
15:56:24 [yeliz]: zakim, unmute yeliz
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15:56:35 [jo]: ack y
15:57:07 [edm]: Yeliz: it is important to have descriptive titles - size matters less...
15:57:29 [Zakim]: -Shahriar
15:57:38 [Kai]: q+
15:57:43 [yeliz]: zakim, mute yeliz
15:57:51 [edm]: jo: ... albeit having short titles makes sense in a mobile context
15:58:03 [Zakim]: Yeliz should now be muted
15:58:14 [jo]: ack kai
15:59:19 [edm]: kai: spelling out the issues does not necessarily help to resolve conflicting requirements (WCAG vs. mobile BP)
15:59:41 [yeliz]: zakim, unmute yeliz
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16:01:15 [achuter]: yes
16:01:30 [edm]: achuter: but there are also some WCAG - mobile BP synergies - e.g., having the most differentating info first does help...
16:01:50 [yeliz]: zakim, mute yeliz
16:01:50 [Zakim]: Yeliz should now be muted
16:02:02 [jo]: [resume doc review at POP_UPs next time]
16:02:13 [edm]: Topic: issues and actions
16:02:38 [jo]: -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/pendingreview Pending Review
16:03:26 [jo]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/408
16:04:25 [jo]: close ACTION-408
16:04:26 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-408 Propose a rewording of the relevant section re: Accept header closed
16:04:50 [jo]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/488
16:05:47 [jo]: close ACTION-488
16:05:47 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-488 Think about making scribing less onerous to those who are new to it and those whose first language is not English closed
16:06:15 [edm]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/529
16:07:05 [Zakim]: -achuter
16:07:06 [matt]: zakim, dial matt-voip
16:07:06 [Zakim]: ok, matt; the call is being made
16:07:07 [Zakim]: +Matt.a
16:07:13 [matt]: zakim, drop matt.a
16:07:13 [Zakim]: Matt.a is being disconnected
16:07:14 [Zakim]: -Matt.a
16:07:33 [matt]: zakim, drop matt
16:07:33 [Zakim]: Matt is being disconnected
16:07:34 [Zakim]: -Matt
16:07:37 [matt]: zakim, dial matt-voip
16:07:37 [Zakim]: ok, matt; the call is being made
16:07:39 [Zakim]: +Matt
16:08:10 [edm]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/530
16:08:27 [jo]: leave ACTION-529 open pending further efforts by Ed
16:09:01 [matt]: zakim, drop matt
16:09:01 [Zakim]: Matt is being disconnected
16:09:02 [Zakim]: -Matt
16:09:07 [matt]: zakim, dial matt-voip
16:09:07 [Zakim]: ok, matt; the call is being made
16:09:09 [Zakim]: +Matt
16:09:26 [matt]: zakim, drop matt
16:09:26 [Zakim]: Matt is being disconnected
16:09:27 [Zakim]: -Matt
16:09:31 [edm]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/541
16:09:34 [jo]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/541
16:09:43 [matt]: zakim, dial matt-voip
16:09:43 [Zakim]: ok, matt; the call is being made
16:09:45 [Zakim]: +Matt
16:10:21 [srowen]: (this sounds defunct -- close it and let's move along)
16:11:39 [edm]: jo: seems to be about mobileOk usage guidelines ...
16:11:57 [srowen]: zakim, unmute Sean_Owen
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16:12:10 [jo]: close ACTION-545
16:12:10 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-545 Add about-me in moki closed
16:12:15 [jo]: close ACTION-548
16:12:15 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-548 Set up simple web interface on top of Java library for Alpha release closed
16:12:42 [jo]: close ACTION-588
16:12:42 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-588 With Dan to raise this document at next HCG meeting informing them of our intentions and soliciting input closed
16:13:02 [matt]: zakim, dial matt-voip
16:13:02 [Zakim]: ok, matt; the call is being made
16:13:03 [Zakim]: +Matt.a
16:13:10 [matt]: zakim, drop Matt
16:13:10 [Zakim]: Matt is being disconnected
16:13:12 [edm]: jo: still working on http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/614
16:13:12 [Zakim]: -Matt
16:13:16 [skarim]: skarim has left #bpwg
16:13:25 [jo]: close ACTION-615
16:13:25 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-615 produce new draft closed
16:13:37 [srowen_]: srowen_ has joined #bpwg
16:13:41 [jo]: close ACTION-620
16:13:41 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-620 Raise issue of co-editorship vacancy closed
16:14:21 [matt]: zakim, drop matt
16:14:21 [Zakim]: Matt.a is being disconnected
16:14:25 [Zakim]: -Matt.a
16:14:29 [srowen_]: yes, prefer to take the time to finish off old actions
16:14:35 [srowen_]: anything < 2008
16:14:39 [jo]: Topic: OPen Actions
16:14:44 [matt]: zakim, dial matt-voip
16:14:44 [Zakim]: ok, matt; the call is being made
16:14:46 [Zakim]: +Matt
16:14:49 [jo]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/open
16:14:59 [matt]: zakim, mute me
16:14:59 [Zakim]: Matt should now be muted
16:15:35 [edm]: edm promises to complete ACTION-530... soon...
16:15:38 [srowen_]: 593 is defunct, it seems
16:16:30 [jo]: close ACTION-593
16:16:30 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-593 Write a summary of preliminary work to be done for this working group to focus on Best Practices for Web applications closed
16:17:04 [jo]: close ACTION-609
16:17:04 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-609 Get the work on the mobileOK test suite started closed
16:17:56 [jo]: close ACTION-616
16:17:56 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-616 Circulate his thoughts on BP2 so that we set up an agenda closed
16:17:56 [edm]: jo: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/613 still open ..
16:18:09 [matt]: zakim, who is making noise?
16:18:20 [Zakim]: matt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: murari (20%), jo (32%)
16:18:24 [jo]: close ACTION-617
16:18:27 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-617 Plan for a call to review document and coordinate with OEWG on it. closed
16:19:48 [edm]: edm: needs to work on http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/618
16:20:41 [jo]: close ACTION-622
16:20:41 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-622 Add a section summarising the proposed values and proposed names to next draft of Guidelines closed
16:20:55 [jo]: close ACTION-623
16:20:55 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-623 Recast the Requirements section as a Summary and make it accurate as compared with the details in section 4 closed
16:21:15 [jo]: close ACTION-627
16:21:15 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-627 Make clear in the scope that we are talking browsing here closed
16:22:06 [jo]: close ACTION-635
16:22:06 [trackbot-ng]: ACTION-635 Summarize all the points that needs answers from mobileOK Pro TF closed
16:23:30 [edm]: Topic: open issues
16:23:31 [jo]: Topic: Open Issues
16:23:36 [Zakim]: +Matt.a
16:23:44 [jo]: http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/open
16:23:50 [matt]: zakim, drop Matt
16:23:50 [Zakim]: Matt is being disconnected
16:23:51 [Zakim]: -Matt
16:25:07 [edm]: srowen: issues-210 and 214 recorded in bugzilla
16:27:16 [edm]: jo: Checker Approval Criteria - http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/228 - how do we know when the checker is done?
16:28:53 [edm]: srowen: I guess all it should take is asking the WG memebers the do-you-approve question ?
16:29:36 [edm]: srowen: would remind the WG that this question wil be asked in ~2 months...
16:30:06 [edm]: jo:
16:30:21 [Zakim]: -Jason
16:30:23 [Zakim]: -murari
16:30:23 [edm]: Bye...
16:30:23 [abel_]: bye
16:30:24 [Zakim]: -MartinJ
16:30:25 [Zakim]: -rob
16:30:26 [yeliz]: bye
16:30:26 [Zakim]: -Matt.a
16:30:28 [Zakim]: -Kai_Dietrich
16:30:29 [Zakim]: -jo
16:30:29 [MartinJ]: MartinJ has left #bpwg
16:30:29 [Zakim]: -miguel
16:30:31 [abel_]: abel_ has left #bpwg
16:30:34 [Zakim]: -Ed_Mitukiewicz
16:30:36 [Zakim]: -Sean_Owen
16:30:39 [rob]: rob has left #bpwg
16:30:42 [Zakim]: -Yeliz
16:30:43 [Zakim]: MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended
16:30:44 [Zakim]: Attendees were Shahriar, Jason, +91.44.42.22.aaaa, Matt, MartinJ, miguel, Ed_Mitukiewicz, Bryan_Sullivan, +0793201aabb, abel, jo, murari, Yeliz, Sean_Owen, Kai_Dietrich,
16:30:47 [Zakim]: ... +0207287aacc, rob, achuter, Matt.a
16:31:08 [yeliz]: yeliz has left #bpwg
16:31:42 [matt]: rrsagent, draft minutes
16:31:42 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-bpwg-minutes.html matt
16:35:44 [jo]: s/must/muse/
17:18:24 [jo]: jo has left #bpwg
17:25:28 [francois]: zakim, list attendees
17:25:28 [Zakim]: sorry, francois, I don't know what conference this is