IRC log of rdfa on 2008-02-07

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16:00:25 [Ralph]
zakim, this will be rdfa
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ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start now
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SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
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+Ralph
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+??P3
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Agemda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Feb/0018.html
16:01:35 [msporny]
zakim, I am ??P3
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+msporny; got it
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-> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-01-31
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hmmm trouble with the conf line?
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nope?
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can't dial in, trying agin
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trying again, hold
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+Ben
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Regrets: Mark, Michael
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+ShaneM
16:12:28 [Ralph]
Chair: Ben
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scribe: Ralph
16:12:59 [Ralph]
Topic: Action Review
16:13:20 [Ralph]
ACTION: Manu write 2 new tests for img[@src] as subject [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]
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-- continues
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[DONE] ACTION: Ralph ask if tracker can also track public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
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Ralph: the answer was 'yes'
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ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
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-- continues
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Ben: there was some issue; what was it? something about recursion?
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Manu: I don't think it was recursion
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... I'm processing things in a completely different way
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... had no problems until step 9
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... there are some steps that we might not need
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... logically some of the other things make some of the checks redundant
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... but nothing major that I see
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... Mark did note xml:lang / lang question
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Ben: something deeper
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... there was something uncovered in direct translation of the spec to code
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Manu: parent bnode not initalized
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ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
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-- continues
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[DONE] ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
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Ben: forgot to forward to rdfa
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s/forward to/copy/
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Feb/0024.html "Re: Best Practices Issue: RDF Format Discovery" [Ben 2008-02-06]
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[DROP] ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
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[DONE] ACTION: Ben to update tracker with todays resolutions. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/products/2 RDFa issues tracker
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ACTION: Ben to email mailing list to think about last substantive issue on tracker: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/6
16:20:58 [Ralph]
ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
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-- continues
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[DONE] ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Feb/0006.html "Followup on Dublin Core namespace" [Ralph 2008-02-04]
16:24:06 [msporny]
http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
16:24:15 [Ralph]
Topic: Test Case Review
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-- test 78; Multiple incomplete triples
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Manu: I have an implementation question; how do we detect the difference between an unsafe CURIE and a mailto: URI?
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Ben: we don't -- can't mix them in the same field
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Manu: so mailto: looks like an unsafe CURIE?
16:25:29 [Ralph]
Ben: yes
16:25:32 [Ralph]
Shane: in what context?
16:25:38 [Ralph]
Manu: consider test case 78
16:25:45 [benadida]
<p rel="foaf:mailbox" resource="mailto:ivan@w3.org">
16:26:14 [Ralph]
Manu: if this was @href='mailto:ivan@w3.org'
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... we don't know if this is a CURIE
16:26:44 [Ralph]
Shane: resource has a datatype; by definition the value is only a CURIE if it has '[]'
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... and @href does not accept CURIEs
16:27:41 [Ralph]
... the spec gives the datatype for each attribute
16:28:49 [ShaneM]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-rdfa-syntax-20080125/#s_metaAttributes
16:29:17 [Ralph]
Ralph: but don't take our word for it here :) make sure you agree that the spec is unambiguous on this question
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Manu: again, only the XHTML and SPARQL are what we're evaluating
16:31:12 [Ralph]
Ben, Ralph: SPARQL looks like what we'd expect
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-- test 79
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-- test 79; @resource and @href in completing incomplete triples
16:32:12 [Ralph]
Ben: typo in the SPARQL "foaf:knows"
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... same typo in test 78
16:33:00 [Ralph]
... also, expand the nsprefix to full URIs
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Shane: another typo; http://http://
16:34:30 [Ralph]
Ben: also ';' should be ','
16:37:29 [Ralph]
Manu: if we've use foaf:@@ in any existing tests they should fail and there's a flag for that, so we'll catch errors soon
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-- test 80; @about overrides @resoruce in incomplete triples
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Manu: same typos 'foaf knows', same nsprefix issue
16:38:11 [Ralph]
Ben: is this the best title?
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Ralph: is "@about sets subject" better?
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Ben: "@about sets object"
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Ralph: :)
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Manu: also tests hanging @rel
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"@about sets object for hanging @rel"
16:41:04 [Ralph]
Ben: consider what else happens if additional markup is inside the P
16:41:17 [Ralph]
... not sure if we have consistent views on this
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... I think the @resource traverses down the tree
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... but it's an edge case and we should defer this
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-- test 81; multiple ways of handling incomplete triples (with @rev)
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Ben: your parser is doing really well if it passes test 81
16:43:27 [Ralph]
Manu: again, use full URIs not PREFIX
16:44:09 [Ralph]
Ben: anyone who actually _uses_ this markup has a twisted mind :)
16:52:45 [Ralph]
Ben: 81 looks good to me
16:53:04 [Ralph]
-- test 82; multiple ways of handling incomplete triples (with @rel and @rev)
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Manu: thanks to Ivan for making these up
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... typo; first triple should end in '.', not ';'
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... missing predicate
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... in second triple
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Ben: 82 looks good, with typos corrected
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-- test 83
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Ben: 83 looks good with same typo fixes
16:58:02 [Ralph]
multiple ways of handling incomplete triples (merged)
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Ben: reminder, regrets for next week -- both SWD WG and RDFa calls
17:00:09 [Ralph]
Manu: I'll attend the SWD call
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-- test 84; multiple ways of handling incomplete triples, this time with both @rel and @rev
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Ben: appears to be the same as 83; probably meant to be different
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s/83/82/
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... probably the second node was meant to be named, like 83
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... add @about to second node
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Ben: [as I'm out next week], I'll look at tests 85 - 88 offline and mail comments
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Shane: the XHTML2 WG resolved to request Last Call transition
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Ben: regrets for 14-Feb and 21-Feb
17:08:41 [ShaneM]
http://www.w3.org/2008/02/06-xhtml-minutes#item03
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[adjourned]
17:09:08 [ShaneM]
Pointer to resolution ^^^
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-msporny
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-Ben
17:09:14 [Ralph]
rrsagent, please make record public
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-Ralph
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-ShaneM
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SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Ralph, msporny, Ben, ShaneM
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rrsagent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
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zakim, bye
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17:12:20 [Ralph]
[WITHDRAWN] ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
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rrsagent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Manu write 2 new tests for img[@src] as subject [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-irc#T16-13-20
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ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-irc#T16-14-18
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ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-irc#T16-16-35
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ACTION: Ben to email mailing list to think about last substantive issue on tracker: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/6 [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-irc#T16-20-38
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ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/07-rdfa-irc#T16-20-58