IRC log of rdfa on 2008-01-31
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc
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- Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML Task Force
- 15:55:41 [msporny]
- I don't really know what I'm doing *waves Zakim wildly in the air*
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- :)
- 15:55:46 [Ralph]
- rrsagent, please make record public
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- zakim, this will be rdfa
- 15:55:52 [Zakim]
- ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
- 15:56:36 [msporny]
- :)
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- SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
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- +Ralph
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0299.html
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- (sort-of)
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- Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-minutes.html
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- +??P17
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- +[IPcaller]
- 16:03:51 [Ralph]
- Chair: Ben
- 16:04:00 [Ralph]
- zakim, ??p17 Manu
- 16:04:00 [Zakim]
- I don't understand '??p17 Manu', Ralph
- 16:04:03 [Ralph]
- zakim, ??p17 is Manu
- 16:04:03 [Zakim]
- +Manu; got it
- 16:04:11 [Ralph]
- zakim, Manu is really Ben
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- +Ben; got it
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- zakim, ipcaller is Manu
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- +Manu; got it
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- Scribe: Ralph
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- zakim, code?
- 16:09:34 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
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- +??P21
- 16:11:02 [markbirbeck]
- zakim, i am ?
- 16:11:02 [Zakim]
- +markbirbeck; got it
- 16:11:38 [Ralph]
- Regrets: Michael
- 16:13:05 [Ralph]
- Manu: 3 test cases that need to be reviewed and 2 old ones (34 and 38) need to be updated
- 16:14:24 [Ralph]
- Topic: Action Review
- 16:14:27 [benadida]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary
- 16:14:44 [Ralph]
- ACTION: Ben to update tracker with todays resolutions. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
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- -- continues
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- ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
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- -- continues
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- ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
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- -- continues
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- ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
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- -- continues
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- ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
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- -- continues
- 16:15:27 [Ralph]
- ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
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- -- continues
- 16:15:33 [Ralph]
- ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
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- -- continues
- 16:16:23 [Ralph]
- Ralph: The SWD WG asked me to confirm that the Syntax WD we just handed over is our Last Call candidate
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- Ben: we can still tweak it based on review comments
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- Mark: there are some corrections
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- ... e.g. a glaring omission in the processing rules where I forgot to set the parent node
- 16:18:30 [ShaneM]
- I forgot we had a meeting - am I needed?
- 16:18:46 [benadida]
- sure, come on in, it'll be short
- 16:18:48 [Ralph]
- Ralph: just make sure there's an email trail for any technical changes
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- Ralph: SWD WG plans to have the Last Call resolution on the agenda for the 12 Feb telecon
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- Ben: I'm away for 12 and 19 Feb
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- Manu: I'll try to make it
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- s/ it/ it to the 12-Feb SWD WG telecon/
- 16:22:07 [Ralph]
- Ralph: the SWD chairs also want to remind the XHTML2 WG to make the same Last Call transition resolution
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- Mark: we'd planned for 2 weeks in XHTML2 WG
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- ... we plan to vote before 12 Feb
- 16:23:30 [Ralph]
- ... oops, Steven and I will miss next week's XHTML2 WG meeting
- 16:23:59 [Ralph]
- ... I'll discuss with Shane
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- Topic: Test Cases
- 16:25:05 [msporny]
- http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
- 16:25:26 [Ralph]
- -- test 34
- 16:25:41 [Ralph]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0306.html Mark's comments on test 34
- 16:26:36 [benadida]
- Mark wrote:
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- <div about="http://sw-app.org/mic.xhtml#i" rel="foaf:img">
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- <img src="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg"
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- alt="A photo depicting Michael" />
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- </div>
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- (simple img[@src])
- 16:27:01 [msporny]
- <http://sw-app.org/mic.xhtml#i> foaf:img <http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg>
- 16:28:12 [Ralph]
- Manu: we agree this triple is the intended triple?
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- ... the test was using @src as the @rel target
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- RESOLVED: test 34 triple to be updated as Manu indicated
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- -- test 38 @rev - img[@src]
- 16:30:07 [Ralph]
- Ben: looks pretty much the same
- 16:30:21 [Ralph]
- ... Hey! I haven't really thought through a hanging @rev issue :)
- 16:30:32 [Ralph]
- Mark: it'll keep you awake :)
- 16:31:23 [msporny]
- <div about="http://sw-app.org/mic.xhtml#i" rev="foaf:depicts">
- 16:31:29 [msporny]
- <img src="http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg"
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- alt="A photo depicting Michael" />
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- </div>
- 16:31:58 [msporny]
- <http://sw-app.org/img/mic_2007_01.jpg> foaf:depicts <http://sw-app.org/mic.xhtml#i>
- 16:33:53 [Ralph]
- RESOLVED: correct test 38 markup per Manu's typescript
- 16:34:17 [Ralph]
- Mark: we need some new tests
- 16:34:34 [Ralph]
- ... we changed these tests in one way; to move @about to DIV
- 16:34:52 [Ralph]
- ... we need 2 new tests to test @src as subject
- 16:35:07 [Ralph]
- ACTION: Manu write 2 new tests for img[@src] as subject
- 16:35:37 [Ralph]
- -- test 73 Relative URI in @resource (with XHTML base in head)
- 16:36:31 [Ralph]
- Manu: test 73 gives the creator of the document using @base
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- Ben: but @base changes the default subject
- 16:37:09 [Ralph]
- ... note that the N3 and RDF are currently correct
- 16:37:30 [Ralph]
- Ralph: so let's keep this test for exactly that reason and make a new one
- 16:38:14 [msporny]
- ASK WHERE {
- 16:38:17 [Ralph]
- ... unless we already have tests that show @about overriding @base
- 16:38:36 [msporny]
- <http://www.example.org/> <http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/creator> <http://www.example.org/jane> .
- 16:40:56 [Ralph]
- Ben: test 74 is the same with @href
- 16:42:24 [Ralph]
- RESOLVED: Test 73 approved with correction to SPARQL
- 16:42:54 [Ralph]
- RESOLVED: Test 74 approved with correction to SPARQL
- 16:42:57 [Ralph]
- -- test 75
- 16:43:07 [Ralph]
- Reserved word 'license' in @rel with no explizit @about
- 16:43:44 [Ralph]
- Manu: the N3 and RDF have been generated from Ivan's pyrdf so they're not up to date
- 16:43:48 [msporny]
- ASK WHERE {
- 16:44:10 [msporny]
- <http://www.example.org/> <http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab#license> <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/3.0/> .
- 16:44:11 [msporny]
- }
- 16:44:44 [Ralph]
- RESOLVED: Test 75 approved with correction to SPARQL
- 16:46:01 [Ralph]
- Manu: there were questions about tests 63 and 66
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- ... were changes proposed?
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- +ShaneM
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- [Shane joins]
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- Mark: I was explaining the current rules to Ivan
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- ... I agree 63 is still fine
- 16:47:13 [Ralph]
- ... test 66 is fine but the document doesn't fully explain @about="" and I need to fix this
- 16:47:39 [Ralph]
- ... are people really happy with test 66?
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- ... I'm not sure people's expectations are matched
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- Ben: let's stick with our decision
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- Mark: it's a corner case anyway
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- ... [considering the interpretation if we hadn't made @about="" the default in HEAD]
- 16:54:24 [Ralph]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/products/2 RDFa issues tracker
- 16:56:18 [Ralph]
- ACTION: Ralph ask if tracker can also track public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf
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- -ShaneM
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- Ben: I still have the open action to update tracker
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- -markbirbeck
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- -Manu
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- -Ben
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- SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Ralph, Ben, Manu, markbirbeck, ShaneM
- 17:00:39 [Ralph]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 17:00:39 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
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- zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, bye
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Ben to update tracker with todays resolutions. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/24-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] [1]
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-14-44
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [2]
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-14-56
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [3]
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-15-02
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02] [4]
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-15-12
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [5]
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-15-20
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] [6]
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-15-27
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [7]
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-15-33
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Manu write 2 new tests for img[@src] as subject [8]
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-35-07
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Ralph ask if tracker can also track public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf [9]
- 17:02:46 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/31-rdfa-irc#T16-56-18