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14:19:25 <ivan> Meeting: SWEO Weekly Telco
14:19:31 <ivan> Chair: Susie
14:19:41 <ivan> Regrets: Pasquale
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14:57:53 <Zakim> +LeeF
14:57:59 <LeeF> zakim, mute me please
14:57:59 <Zakim> sorry, LeeF, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
14:58:09 <LeeF> zakim, that's a ridiculously dumb rule
14:58:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'that's a ridiculously dumb rule', LeeF
14:58:29 <LeeF> Yes, I know you don't. If you understood it, you wouldn't have done it in the first place.
14:58:35 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
14:58:35 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
14:58:36 <Zakim> +Ivan
14:59:34 <Zakim> +Susie
15:00:17 <Zakim> +benji
15:00:21 <Zakim> +??P3
15:00:49 <Zakim> +Frank
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15:01:04 <ivan> zakim, ??P3 is kidehen
15:01:04 <Zakim> +kidehen; got it
15:01:24 <LeeF> zakim, mute me please
15:01:24 <Zakim> LeeF should now be muted
15:01:39 <Kjetil> Zakim, what is the code
15:01:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'what is the code', Kjetil
15:01:42 <Zakim> +??P11
15:01:43 <Kjetil> Zakim, what is the code?
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15:01:43 <Zakim> the conference code is 7936 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Kjetil
15:01:55 <ivan> zakim, ??P1 is andea
15:01:55 <Zakim> +andea; got it
15:02:15 <ivan> zakim, andea is andrea
15:02:15 <Zakim> +andrea; got it
15:02:35 <Zakim> +??P13
15:02:45 <Kjetil> Zakim, ??P13 is me
15:02:45 <Zakim> +Kjetil; got it
15:03:09 <Zakim> +??P15
15:03:21 <JacekK> zakim, ??P15 is me
15:03:21 <Zakim> +JacekK; got it
15:04:22 <Susie> Zakim, pick a scribe
15:04:22 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose JacekK
15:04:58 <Susie> Zakim, pick a scribe
15:04:58 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose JacekK
15:05:03 <Susie> Zakim, pick a scribe
15:05:03 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ivan
15:05:10 <Zakim> + +1.603.886.aaaa
15:05:13 <ivan> scribenick: ivan
15:05:22 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is Melli
15:05:22 <Zakim> +Melli; got it
15:05:23 <kidehen> brb as baby calls
15:05:55 <ivan> topic: debrief for sweo
15:06:07 <Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/Next_Steps
15:06:15 <ivan> susie: benji entered some information on the wiki for this
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15:06:22 <ivan> ... we may want to start with that
15:06:39 <ivan> ... what went well, what should be done better next time
15:06:49 <ivan> ... at the top benji listed the business presentation
15:06:57 <ivan> ... which is hard to say where it goes now
15:07:06 <ivan> ... it is hard to tell because it is work in progress
15:07:17 <ivan> ... but it looks like progressing well, jeff's doc is excellent
15:07:27 <ivan> ... I view that as almost a success
15:07:52 <ivan> Susie: next area is collaterals
15:08:02 <ivan> ... ie, flyer 
15:08:23 <ivan> ... benji claims that it was successful, but the challenge was that many different people had different views
15:08:32 <ivan> ... that made it hard to create
15:08:40 <ivan> ... it would be easier to create multiple flyers
15:08:51 <ivan> ... but having collaterals aligned with messaging is important
15:09:03 <ivan> ... the other problem was that the comm team was not there early enough
15:09:20 <ivan> ... i think the fact that we did that was a success, we learned on the process
15:09:35 <ivan> ... next time we would have the high level message first, with the agrrement of the comm team
15:09:43 <ivan> ... maybe have multiple flyers
15:09:45 <ivan> q+
15:10:57 <ivan> ivan: the swedish office will use this for the first time, the first feedbacks are positive
15:11:09 <ivan> susie: under the collateral, let us include the cool uri
15:11:23 <ivan> ... it is more technical than initially expected sweo would create
15:11:39 <ivan> ... i think that will be a valuable resource
15:11:46 <ivan> ... something that it is very much needed
15:11:59 <ivan> ... we should have put it into w3c process in an early stage
15:12:11 <ivan> ... it would have given us better reviews
15:12:18 <ivan> ... but it is something which is valuable
15:12:31 <ivan> susie: community projects: the success around those are mixed
15:12:47 <ivan> ... the lod is huegely successful, and it has its life of its own
15:13:02 <ivan> ... the knowee may go forward, that is something else that might be successful
15:13:25 <ivan> ... but kjetil could not put time into his community project, and the powder one did not start at all :-(
15:13:40 <ivan> ... i do not know what we could have done differently
15:13:49 <ivan> ... the steps of selection seemed good
15:14:16 <ivan> susie: faq document has definitely been succesful
15:14:31 <ivan> ... as i mentioned, Lilly uses it for its recruitement...
15:14:36 <Kjetil> Zakim, who is talking?
15:14:41 <ivan> susie: the case study is also very successful
15:14:49 <Zakim> Kjetil, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Susie (70%), kidehen (45%), Frank (4%), andrea (51%), Melli (40%)
15:14:52 <ivan> ... people find it very useful
15:15:08 <ivan> ... and it is referred to frequently
15:15:17 <ivan> ... something that we should continue developing
15:15:24 <ivan> susie: information gathering
15:15:34 <ivan> ... something that we could have worked on a smoother fashion
15:15:44 <ivan> ... different people had different ideas
15:15:58 <ivan> ... it would have been wonderful to gather all the info with a shiny user interface
15:16:14 <ivan> ... but in reality we do not have the resource to develop something like that, it was a tricky task
15:16:37 <ivan> ... i guess again it would have been to be much more concrete at the very beginning with everybody in agreement
15:16:51 <ivan> ... and then try to move forward, we lost a bit our direction
15:17:07 <ivan> susie: the preferred document collection is still ongoing, and it is difficult to judge where it will progress
15:17:19 <ivan> ... danny sent out some info, but it still needs polishing
15:17:28 <ivan> ... it is also a tricky one to pursue
15:17:38 <ivan> susie: the enterprise survey
15:17:55 <ivan> ... it was good at the beginning to get feedback to help influence the group
15:18:02 <ivan> ... we failed in writing the survey
15:18:13 <ivan> ... the challenge there that we had a single person bottleneck:-(
15:18:21 <ivan> ... that is also a lesson learnt
15:18:27 <ivan> susie: logos
15:18:43 <ivan> ... benji's view is that it is quite a success but not as much as suspected
15:18:56 <ivan> ... benji worked a lot a tech logos
15:19:11 <ivan> ... it seems like that we worked a lot on something that did not have a result
15:19:27 <ivan> ... but our work pushed the comm team to really take the sw logo seriously
15:19:34 <ivan> ... i think the outcome of the work is really good
15:19:41 <ivan> ... having helped create this is good
15:19:57 <ivan> susie: that is what we focussed on
15:20:03 <ivan> ... i think we did good stuff
15:20:20 <ivan> ... comments, thoughts, feeling, ideas?
15:20:28 <Kjetil> q+
15:20:32 <ivan> ack ivan
15:20:35 <ivan> ack Kjetil 
15:21:07 <ivan> Kjetil: good summary, we have been thinking about what our customer need?
15:21:51 <ivan> ... the ent. survey was very important for us
15:22:00 <ivan> ... but also for our own consulatncy company
15:22:11 <ivan> ... it is something that we would commit to do in near future
15:22:34 <ivan> ... so i think that is something that we would perhaps do another one
15:23:01 <ivan> ... the problem was to have member using time on sweo work
15:23:16 <ivan> ... it is a bit difficult to convince management to put manpower into sweo
15:23:37 <ivan> ... whatever we would want should be more convicing for people who have the budge
15:23:56 <ivan> susie: on the en. survey, it was a good resource for the sweo work
15:24:11 <ivan> ... wing actually presented it on a meeting
15:24:32 <ivan> ... but i agree that the survey was done 18 months ago, that is a while ago for tech area
15:24:33 <LeeF> It would be quite interesting to do a follow-up and compare, though i have no idea who has the bandwidth for it :)
15:24:43 <ivan> ... maybe the new sweo might want to do it 
15:24:54 <ivan> ... the challenge is to get enough people to answer
15:25:14 <ivan> ... for the current one, many responder did not answer all questions, only the simple one
15:25:31 <ivan> ... it is also quite hard to get people to participate in sweo
15:25:44 <ivan> ... we will have to work on the charter to be more concincing
15:26:19 <ivan> ... when this group was started, we expected lots of marketing people, but the profile of the people participating did not match that
15:26:29 <ivan> ... for the next one it is a challenge to get that...
15:26:34 <ivan> q?
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15:26:44 <ivan> q+
15:27:08 <Kjetil> +1
15:27:11 <bengee> +1
15:27:15 <Melli> +1
15:27:18 <JacekK> +1
15:27:19 <ivan> ivan: I think that is the right time to thank Susie, who did a great job chairing!
15:27:21 <LeeF> +1 indeed
15:27:21 <kidehen> +5
15:27:21 <FrankC> +1
15:27:31 <Andrea> +1
15:27:33 <ivan> + infinitie
15:27:39 <LeeF> ahaha
15:27:49 <LeeF> don't we all, zakim, don't we all.
15:27:57 <ivan> Topic: extension
15:28:07 <ivan> susie: last week we discussed the extension
15:28:17 <ivan> ... we have not a comfirmation yet
15:28:30 <ivan> ... but it is likely to be done
15:28:40 <ivan> ... business presentation
15:28:44 <ivan> ... uri document
15:28:55 <ivan> ... benji's project
15:29:04 <ivan> ... improvement of the use cases
15:29:20 <ivan> ... document collection 
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15:30:21 <ivan> ... these are the items we used for an extension
15:30:36 <Zakim> +??P8
15:30:39 <uldis> Zakim, ??P8 is me
15:30:39 <Zakim> +uldis; got it
15:30:41 <ivan> ... if we get the extension, we will continue the calles
15:30:54 <ivan> ... we would then continue on these topics
15:31:01 <ivan> topic: business presentation
15:31:08 <ivan> susie: jeff is not on the call
15:31:11 <Zakim> +??P9
15:31:16 <ivan> ... but it seems to progress well
15:31:29 <ivan> zakim, ??P9 is martin
15:31:29 <Zakim> +martin; got it
15:31:43 <ivan> ... we got feedbacks from Ian Jacobs
15:31:45 <Zakim> + +49.176.2.aabb
15:31:54 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Leo
15:31:54 <Zakim> +Leo; got it
15:32:18 <ivan> ... ivan, lee and Ian provided feedbacks
15:32:32 <ivan> ... we are finishing the document and then jeff can convert that into a set of slides
15:32:44 <ivan> Topic: info gathering
15:33:10 <ivan> susie: i looked at the web site, I still hit a couple of glitches
15:33:27 <ivan> ... basically my browser had problems to go to any of the web sites
15:33:38 <ivan> ... it kind of hangs, eg, on the sparql demo page
15:34:01 <ivan> leo: when tim and I looked at it?
15:34:25 <ivan> kingsley: is susie supposed to interact with w3c or the openlink site?
15:34:38 <ivan> Susie: i used the official info gathering point
15:34:47 <ivan> ... but i just want to look at the result
15:34:59 <ivan> leo: the think the thing is a bit buggy
15:35:17 <ivan> kidehen: it is not necessarily bug
15:36:22 <ivan> kidehen: you should give me a list that you and tim agreed are issues
15:36:29 <ivan> ... (to leo)
15:36:38 <ivan> ... then i can look at some very specific items
15:36:45 <ivan> ... then I can comment
15:36:56 <ivan> Susie: Leo, you seem to have a list of things
15:38:00 <ivan> action Leo: send to kingsley the agreed action items
15:38:07 <ivan> topic: cool uri document
15:38:27 <ivan> susie: it is likely that sweo will be extended, so leo, you will time to update the document
15:38:44 <ivan> leo: i did not do anything yet, we are having tough project work here
15:38:51 <ivan> ... I will then squeeze it in
15:39:54 <ivan> ivan: if we get the extension, it may be two months, that might be your deadline
15:40:14 <ivan> Susie: even if we get it, help of february would be a really good deadline
15:40:25 <ivan> Leo: we may want to have another editor
15:40:35 <ivan> Susie: what about asking danny?
15:40:51 <ivan> ... richard and max?
15:41:03 <ivan> ... max I do not think so, he has his phd to finish
15:41:14 <ivan> ... richard is now at deri, but i will try
15:41:21 <Zakim> -Leo
15:41:35 <ivan> Topic: use case
15:41:52 <ivan> Melli: i expect to have the update done within a week or so
15:41:55 <LeeF> I didn't make progress this past week because my SWEO time went to the biz prez instead, sorry! back to use case facets this week :)
15:42:39 <ivan> ivan: the use case project _will_ continue regardless of the extension
15:42:57 <ivan> Topic: FAQ
15:43:07 <Zakim> -Melli
15:43:20 <ivan> Susie: harry halpin submitted something on GRDDL
15:43:38 <ivan> ivan: I have not seen it yet
15:44:07 <Kjetil> Zakim, mute me
15:44:07 <Zakim> Kjetil should now be muted
15:44:19 <ivan> ivan: we may also have an entry on the sparql followup
15:44:24 <ivan> topic: preferred document
15:44:32 <ivan> susie: danny is not here, no update
15:44:42 <ivan> topic: comm project
15:45:02 <ivan> kidehen: i am still waiting on the final dataset for a reload
15:45:10 <ivan> ... there will be a conference
15:45:11 <ivan> q+
15:46:00 <JacekK> ivan: W3C has a track at the WWW conference, always with a SemWeb session
15:46:21 <JacekK> ivan: there will be a half-hour overview of linking open data project within that track
15:46:36 <ivan> susie: knowee?
15:46:43 <ivan> bengee: i am about to launch!
15:46:58 <ivan> ... i hope to be able to launch it today!
15:47:06 <ivan> :-)
15:47:17 <ivan> Topic: AOB
15:47:25 <ivan> 1...2...3......
15:47:37 <FrankC> +q
15:47:42 <ivan> ack ivan 
15:47:57 <ivan> susie: i would like to thank everybody for their work and intpu
15:48:02 <ivan> s/intpu/input/
15:48:18 <ivan> FrankC: I saw on the wiki next step that the use cases will be maintained
15:48:25 <ivan> ... does it mean that we can add
15:48:34 <ivan> ivan: YES!
15:48:47 <ivan> FrankC: what is the procedure?
15:48:57 <Susie> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/
15:49:07 <ivan> Susie: we have entered information on the page for submission
15:49:13 <ivan> ... there is an email alias
15:49:35 <Susie> member-sw-case-studies@w3.org
15:49:38 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/submit.html submission page
15:50:55 <ivan> susie: we are all done...
15:50:55 <MartinD> +1 to susie for coordinating this... :-)
15:50:57 <Kjetil> Zakim, unmute me
15:50:57 <Zakim> Kjetil should no longer be muted
15:51:01 <ivan> ... thanks everybody 
15:51:05 <Zakim> -Frank
15:51:05 <ivan> adjourned
15:51:06 <Zakim> -kidehen
15:51:07 <Zakim> -Kjetil
15:51:07 <Zakim> -Susie
15:51:08 <Zakim> -JacekK
15:51:09 <Zakim> -uldis
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15:51:10 <Zakim> -martin
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15:51:12 <Zakim> -benji
15:51:14 <Zakim> -andrea
15:51:16 <Zakim> -Ivan
15:51:18 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended
15:51:20 <Zakim> Attendees were LeeF, Ivan, Susie, benji, Frank, kidehen, andrea, Kjetil, JacekK, +1.603.886.aaaa, Melli, uldis, martin, +49.176.2.aabb, Leo
15:51:27 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:51:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-sweo-minutes.html ivan
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16:02:40 <Kjetil> and engaged the Topic Maps community in a bit of debate
16:05:05 <LeeF> yay Kjetil! :)
16:07:01 <Kjetil> you know it is a good thing when random people with non-sensical nicks start mentioning SPARQL in forum posts ;-)
16:08:59 <Melli> -Melli
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