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15:42:43 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make log public
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15:43:04 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Telecon
15:43:11 <jturner> zakim, code?
15:43:11 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jturner
15:43:14 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jan/0066.html
15:43:23 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
15:43:26 <John_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh
15:43:31 <John_Boyer> scribenick: klotz
15:43:40 <John_Boyer> Regrets: Rafael, Sebastian
15:44:31 <nic1> nic1 has joined #forms
15:44:49 <nic1> zakim, code?
15:44:49 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), nic1
15:44:56 <unl> unl has joined #forms
15:45:00 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()10:45AM has now started
15:45:07 <Zakim> + +1.978.392.aaaa
15:45:10 <Zakim> +wellsk
15:45:34 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:45:39 <Zakim> +unl
15:45:40 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
15:45:42 <CharlieW> CharlieW has joined #forms
15:45:44 <Zakim> +??P19
15:45:47 <John_Boyer> zakim, I am +1.978
15:45:47 <Zakim> +John_Boyer; got it
15:45:55 <jturner> zakim, ??P19 is me
15:45:55 <Zakim> +jturner; got it
15:46:00 <jturner> hi
15:46:14 <unl> zakim, mute me
15:46:14 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
15:46:17 <wellsk> zakim, mute wellsk
15:46:17 <Zakim> wellsk should now be muted
15:46:23 <jturner> zakim, mute me
15:46:23 <Zakim> jturner should now be muted
15:46:29 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:46:29 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:46:31 <Zakim> +Steven
15:46:50 <Roger> Roger has joined #forms
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15:47:30 <CharlieW> zakim, who is on?
15:47:30 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, CharlieW.
15:47:36 <CharlieW> zakim, who is here?
15:47:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Boyer, wellsk (muted), [IBM], unl (muted), Nick_van_den_Bleeken, jturner (muted), Steven
15:47:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see Roger, CharlieW, unl, nic1, jturner, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, Steven, trackbot-ng
15:47:44 <CharlieW> zakim, [IBM] is CharlieW
15:47:44 <Zakim> +CharlieW; got it
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15:49:45 <Zakim> +Leigh_Klotz
15:49:57 <Zakim> +??P21
15:50:04 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
15:50:04 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
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15:52:26 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
15:52:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Boyer, wellsk (muted), CharlieW, unl (muted), Nick_van_den_Bleeken, jturner (muted), Steven, Leigh_Klotz, markbirbeck
15:52:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see ebruchez, klotz, markbirbeck, Roger, CharlieW, unl, nic1, jturner, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, Steven, trackbot-ng
15:52:37 <nic1> zakim, mute me
15:52:37 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:53:09 <Zakim> +??P1
15:53:14 <Roger> zakim, P1 is Roger
15:53:14 <Zakim> sorry, Roger, I do not recognize a party named 'P1'
15:53:24 <Roger> zakim, ??P1 is Roger
15:53:24 <Zakim> +Roger; got it
15:53:35 <Steven> zakim, list attendees
15:53:35 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.978.392.aaaa, wellsk, unl, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, John_Boyer, jturner, Steven, CharlieW, Leigh_Klotz, markbirbeck, Roger
15:53:50 <Zakim> +??P0
15:54:02 <ebruchez> zakim, ??P0 is ebruchez
15:54:02 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
15:54:13 <markbirbeck> zakim, fix bug
15:54:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'fix bug', markbirbeck
15:54:16 <ebruchez> hi there
15:55:22 <wellsk> zakim, unmute me
15:55:22 <Zakim> wellsk should no longer be muted
15:56:09 <wellsk> zakim, mute me
15:56:09 <Zakim> wellsk should now be muted
15:58:30 <nic1> I'll be there
15:59:02 <wellsk> zakim, unmute me
15:59:02 <Zakim> wellsk should no longer be muted
15:59:10 <markbirbeck> I have an account with Yugma, too, which gives desktop sharing, freephone number, etc.
15:59:29 <markbirbeck> Also allows us to record the proceedings. :)
16:02:36 <wellsk> zakim, mute me
16:02:36 <Zakim> wellsk should now be muted
16:03:38 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Dec/0003.html
16:04:19 <wellsk> +1
16:04:27 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2008Jan/0000.html
16:04:33 <klotz> ACTION: John Boyer to fix http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Dec/0003.html
16:04:33 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
16:04:33 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
16:07:46 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2005/05/tr-versions
16:10:36 <Zakim> -ebruchez
16:10:52 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
16:10:57 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/
16:11:00 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/TR/html/
16:11:45 <Zakim> +??P0
16:11:51 <ebruchez> zakim, ??P0 is ebruchez
16:11:51 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
16:11:53 <ebruchez> thanks
16:13:35 <klotz> ACTION: John Boyer to ensure that all bibliographic entries in XForms 1.0 do not use short names.
16:13:35 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
16:13:35 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
16:14:51 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0015.html
16:18:10 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Model-driven_switch_with_case_attr
16:21:52 <nic1> what do you do if the xpath results in a id that doesn't exists
16:25:38 <markbirbeck> q+
16:28:53 <klotz> Kenneth points out .[...] is illegal syntax and you have to use self::node[...]
16:29:27 <nic1> in XPath 2.0 you can use .[...]  ;)
16:29:33 <klotz> thanks!
16:38:04 <Zakim> -ebruchez
16:38:56 <Zakim> +??P0
16:39:05 <ebruchez> zakim,??P0 is ebruchez
16:39:05 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
16:39:09 <klotz> John: Please correct me if I'm wrong.  I didn't hear nayone say they didn't want to do this for 1.2  After discussion with Mark, it sounded like he could imagine it.  It seemed like a secondary attribute on switch would be useful, to contain an XPath expression resolving to a node to have a two-way binding to switch.
16:45:58 <klotz> i see some similarity with xxf:dialog and the proposed xf:dialog as well, in terms of expanded content models
16:49:49 <Roger> an xpath boolean expression to the selected attribute of the actual case instead of the new att?
16:53:29 <nic1> you have also a problem if the value of the switch doesn't results in an id of a case in the switch
16:55:21 <nic1> yes non-empty
16:57:01 <nic1> if we have <case value=""> then we can make in sync with select and select1
17:01:17 <nic1> I think it is the same as select1, it is only a display issue of select1
17:05:11 <nic1> that is easy but the change of focus on data becomes more dificult
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17:06:30 <nic1> and when you change data you should add a change-value listener that switches the case
17:09:28 <Zakim> -ebruchez
17:10:00 <Zakim> +??P0
17:10:10 <ebruchez> zakim,??P0 is ebruchez
17:10:10 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
17:12:26 <nic1> value isn't an XPath, it is a constant
17:12:54 <nic1> so it can be mapped in the same way as an id
17:13:02 <nic1> they are both constants
17:13:23 <John_Boyer> value is an XPath that picks a constant
17:13:57 <CharlieW> but it still behaves like in select1
17:14:13 <John_Boyer> similar, except select1 is not a container control
17:14:24 <John_Boyer> it's an atomic control
17:14:32 <John_Boyer> switch is a container form control
17:14:34 <CharlieW> right
17:15:30 <John_Boyer> <switch ref="some/tree" case="@selected">
17:15:44 <John_Boyer> <case value="justLikeID"
17:16:11 <John_Boyer> If @selected node contains the value that equals the value attribute
17:16:17 <John_Boyer> then the case is selected
17:17:40 <ebruchez> same here
17:18:10 <ebruchez> using a separate instance is often done also to handle controls relevance
17:20:38 <CharlieW> CharlieW has left #forms
17:20:46 <nic1> bye
17:20:48 <Zakim> -CharlieW
17:20:49 <Zakim> -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
17:20:49 <Zakim> -unl
17:20:50 <ebruchez> bye
17:20:50 <Zakim> -Steven
17:20:51 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
17:20:53 <Zakim> -Leigh_Klotz
17:20:54 <Zakim> -Roger
17:20:55 <Zakim> -wellsk
17:20:56 <Zakim> -jturner
17:20:57 <wellsk> wellsk has left #forms
17:20:58 <Zakim> -John_Boyer
17:21:00 <Zakim> -ebruchez
17:21:00 <klotz> zakim, list attendees
17:21:01 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()10:45AM has ended
17:21:03 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.978.392.aaaa, wellsk, unl, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, John_Boyer, jturner, Steven, CharlieW, Leigh_Klotz, markbirbeck, Roger, ebruchez
17:21:06 <Zakim> sorry, klotz, I don't know what conference this is
17:21:17 <John_Boyer> Leigh note that 1.978 is me
17:21:23 <klotz> thanks
17:21:30 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
17:21:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
17:21:35 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
17:21:35 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-forms-actions.rdf :
17:21:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John Boyer to fix http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2007Dec/0003.html [1]
17:21:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-forms-irc#T16-04-33
17:21:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John Boyer to ensure that all bibliographic entries in XForms 1.0 do not use short names. [2]
17:21:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/30-forms-irc#T16-13-35