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14:00:56 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
14:01:03 <Steven> zakim, this will be xhtml
14:01:03 <Zakim> Steven, IA_XHTML2()9:00AM is already associated with an irc channel; use 'move xhtml to here' if you mean to reassociate the channel
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14:02:07 <Steven> Roland?
14:02:13 <Roland> hi
14:02:17 <Steven> I see you have zakim in another channel
14:02:29 <Steven> OK if I move him/her/it here?
14:02:39 <Roland> sure
14:02:46 <Steven> zakim, move xhtml here
14:02:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'move xhtml here', Steven
14:02:56 <Steven> zakim, move xhtml to here
14:02:57 <Zakim> ok, Steven; that matches IA_XHTML2()9:00AM
14:03:07 <Steven> zakim, who is on the call?
14:03:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P7, +1.858.354.aaaa
14:03:17 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
14:03:17 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
14:03:19 <Zakim> +Steven
14:03:28 <Zakim> +ShaneM
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14:05:02 <Steven> zakim, aaaa is gshults
14:05:02 <Zakim> +gshults; got it
14:05:11 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
14:05:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P7, gshults, Steven, ShaneM
14:05:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see gshults, RRSAgent, Zakim, ShaneM, oedipus, Roland, Steven, Lachy, krijn
14:05:30 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
14:05:37 <Steven> zakim, mute ??P7
14:05:37 <Zakim> ??P7 should now be muted
14:05:49 <Steven> zakim, ??P7 is ROland
14:05:49 <Zakim> +ROland; got it
14:05:57 <Steven> zakim, ROland is Roland
14:05:57 <Zakim> +Roland; got it
14:06:03 <Steven> zakim ack Roland
14:06:11 <Steven> ack ROland
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14:06:30 <Roland> zakim, list
14:06:30 <Zakim> I see Team_W3M()8:00AM, I18N_TS()9:00AM, IA_XHTML2()9:00AM, Team_(rifc)12:56Z active
14:06:32 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time is WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM
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14:07:30 <Zakim> +??P13
14:07:42 <yamx> zakim, ??P13 is yamx.
14:07:42 <Zakim> +yamx; got it
14:08:03 <Steven> Chair: Roland
14:08:08 <Steven> Regrets: Mark
14:08:41 <Zakim> +??P14
14:08:56 <Steven> Regrets+Rich
14:09:07 <Steven> zakim, ??P14 is ShaneM
14:09:07 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
14:09:18 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0019
14:09:27 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jan/0019
14:09:52 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
14:10:15 <Steven> Topic: Announcements
14:10:28 <Steven> Gerry: I am in San Diego, and representing HP
14:11:00 <Steven> ... been away from HP for 7 months, just back. Used to work with Melinda on XHTML Print, and other standards efforts
14:11:23 <Steven> Steven: It is 6am with you?
14:11:25 <Steven> Gerry: Yes
14:11:26 <oedipus> it's even earlier for yam!
14:11:30 <Steven> Steven: Sorry about that
14:12:19 <Steven> ... it is really hard to find a time that is suitable for all
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14:12:26 <Steven> s/Gerry/Gerrie/G
14:13:31 <Steven> Roland: One review is due by end of month, please finish it this week
14:13:41 <Steven> Topic: Aria issues
14:13:56 <Steven> Roland: Unfortunately no RIch today. Anyone know the status?
14:14:13 <Steven> Gregory: Yes, some documents have been combined
14:14:25 <Steven> ... awaiting approval to Wednesday to be made public
14:14:37 <Steven> s/RIch/Rich/
14:15:12 <Steven> Gregory: Go to PF home page, to see status
14:15:20 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group
14:15:25 <oedipus> under "Current Work"
14:15:46 <oedipus> roles document and states and properties docment been combined
14:15:53 <Steven> Gregory: Roles and states and properties have been combined
14:16:25 <Steven> ... no links here becuase they are member confidential
14:16:34 <Steven> s/cua/cau/
14:16:45 <oedipus> 1. ARIA Specification (combined Roles plus States and Properties)
14:16:45 <oedipus> 2. ARIA Best Practices
14:16:45 <oedipus> 3. ARIA Primer
14:16:45 <oedipus> 4. ARIA Roadma
14:16:56 <Steven> s/ma/map/
14:17:53 <Steven> Gregory: THere is a remaining issue of getting ARIA into HTML5
14:17:59 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
14:18:20 <Steven> ... HTML5 was released yesterday, without ARIA in it
14:19:24 <Steven> Roland: Note that issue Caption positioning & binding example using WAI-ARIA markup  
14:19:24 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0012  has been closed
14:19:58 <Steven> Gregory: There were two formal objections to the publication, but it went ahead anyway
14:21:18 <Steven> Topic: FtF Venice
14:21:30 <Steven> Roland: Who is attending?
14:21:33 <Steven> Steven: I am
14:21:37 <Steven> Roland: I am
14:21:38 <yamx> Yam: I will.
14:21:52 <oedipus> GJR waiting to "see" if impending contract work will allow him to travel at that time -- remote participation?
14:22:00 <gshults> I likely will not
14:22:48 <Steven> Steven: There will be a skype conference for remote participation
14:22:53 <oedipus> skype would be ideal -- even just IRC -- worked at TPAC 2008
14:22:56 <Steven> Topic: M12N Transition
14:23:35 <oedipus> GJR's post that closes action item: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0012.html
14:23:36 <Steven> Roland: Status?
14:23:54 <oedipus> reply to GJR's post by Gez Lemon with alternate syntax: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2007Jul/0012.html
14:24:45 <Steven> Steven: Shane produced a new draft, I made a draft 'implementation' report
14:25:27 <Steven> Shane: Why not list the W3C Validator?
14:25:33 <Steven> Steven: Good idea!
14:25:33 <oedipus> lol
14:25:58 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/m12n-11-implementation.html
14:27:40 <oedipus> GJR thought on Selectors API: from an accessibility standpoint, an advantage of using such an API for applications that need access to the live DOM (as opposed to the DOM that results from parsing the document).  currently such applications use query languages like XPath, which dictate extra  dependencies for that application and which do not support querying the live DOM; therefore, because the Selectors API would be integrated into the user agent, it would 
14:28:09 <Steven> Steven: At the call we will be asking for CR, but arguing we might as well go straight to PR.
14:28:30 <Steven> Shane: We should look at Jabber, XMPP
14:28:50 <Steven> Roland: CDF, DIAL
14:30:50 <oedipus> my left or yours?
14:30:58 <Steven> Shane: THe style sheet is wrong, it says PR
14:31:01 <Steven> Steven: Thanks!
14:31:13 <Steven> s/THe/The/
14:32:00 <Steven> Yam: OMA refers to M12N, and we will have a meeting in February, and hope we will be able to refer to 1.1 by then
14:32:43 <Steven> Topic: CURIEs
14:32:54 <Steven> Roland: We talked about going to last call
14:32:58 <Steven> ... Shane did an update
14:33:04 <Steven> ... are we ready to go to last call?
14:33:20 <Steven> Shane: It's a shame that Mark's not here.
14:33:40 <Steven> ... Mark indicated that he felt that some text about processing rules should be in the CURIE spec
14:33:58 <Steven> ... I disagree, I have not put it in, and think we should consider it as a last call comment
14:34:14 <Steven> ... there is an issue about RtL languages
14:34:24 <Steven> ... I'm sure we discussed this
14:34:41 <ShaneM>  http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-curie-20080122/#s_syntax
14:34:50 <ShaneM>  end of that section has an embedded issue about RTL languages
14:36:54 <Steven> Steven: Doesn't seem to be a blocking factor for last call
14:37:51 <Steven> ... we do the same as QNames
14:37:59 <Steven> Roland: Resolve to go to last call?
14:38:10 <oedipus> GJR: plus one to going to LC
14:38:19 <Steven> ... Any objections?
14:38:34 <Steven> RESOLUTION: Take CURIE spec to last call
14:40:25 <Steven> ACTION: Roland to negotiate last call period for CURIEs with HCG
14:41:03 <oedipus> regrets+ Alessio
14:41:46 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2005/08/online_xslt/xslt?xmlfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/08/01-transitions.html&xslfile=http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transitions.xsl&docstatus=lc-wd-tr
14:41:57 <Steven> Topic: Second last call for role
14:42:07 <Steven> Shane: I will work on this
14:42:18 <Steven> ... I need to integrate a couple of comments
14:42:27 <Steven> Roland: And it can refer to the CURIE doc
14:42:40 <Steven> Shane: Which adds a constraint on its progress
14:42:57 <Steven> ACTION: Shane to produce new draft of role for second las tcall
14:43:10 <Steven> Shane: By CoB Monday
14:43:23 <Steven> Topic: XHTML 1.1
14:43:42 <Steven> Roland: So when M12N is moved, we can move XHTML 1,1, forward
14:44:01 <Steven> Comments  (PR#9715) 
14:44:01 <Steven>     http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JanMar/0027
14:45:12 <Steven> Shane: THis is all fixed
14:45:17 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
14:45:44 <Steven> Shane: And it says so in the issue tracker
14:46:07 <Steven> Roland: Media types  (PR#9716):  
14:46:07 <Steven>     http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007JanMar/0029 
14:46:50 <ShaneM>  http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml11-20070416/
14:46:54 <Steven> Shane: Checking draft
14:48:02 <oedipus> quote XHTML 1.1 documents SHOULD be labeled with the Internet Media Type application/xhtml+xml as defined in [RFC3236]. They SHOULD NOT be labeled with the Internet Media Type text/html as defined in [RFC2854]. For further information on using media types with XHTML, see the informative note [XHTMLMIME]. unquote
14:48:19 <Steven> Steven: "XHTML 1.1 documents SHOULD be labeled with the Internet Media Type "application/xhtml+xml" as defined in [RFC3236]." is in the spec
14:49:42 <oedipus> sounds good to me
14:49:47 <ShaneM>  The working group agreed that the media type SHOULD be application/xhtml+xml.  The group did NOT agree that we add the restriction about the document type text/html not being used because a document author may need to make that compromise.
14:49:50 <Steven> Roland: Anyone with a problem with this wording?
14:50:34 <Steven> Steven: ... and we don't believe we should prevent an author doing that
14:50:53 <Steven> Roland: DOCTYPE 
14:50:53 <Steven>     http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-html-wg/2007JanMar/0082 
14:51:18 <oedipus> are we "looking" at: http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xhtml2-issues/DocType?id=7336
14:55:44 <Steven> Shane: Some people say that you can't get to the DOCTYPE in the DOM
14:55:56 <Steven> Roland: You should be able to, but not all browsers accept it.
14:56:53 <oedipus> <?xml version="1.1" ?>
14:57:10 <Steven> Steven: Why don't we use @version to distinguish family members?
14:57:52 <Steven> Shane: It's there already, not deprecated, but we've never used it
14:58:09 <Steven> ... it is CDATA, and we always produce a fixed value for it
14:58:14 <Steven> ... maybe
14:59:27 <Steven> Shane: To remove my objection, with regard to XHTML 1.1 the spec, let us say that the version attribute is avail;able
14:59:27 <ShaneM>  The DTD implementation contains the following:  > 
14:59:28 <ShaneM> <!ENTITY % XHTML.version  "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN" >
15:00:11 <Steven> s/avail;/avail/
15:00:51 <Steven> Shane: We can use that convention
15:01:17 <Steven> Steven: So we make the DOCTYPE a should, and add a note abuit version (also a SHOULD)
15:01:32 <Steven> ACTION Shane: Add DOCTYPE stuff to XHTML 1.1
15:01:39 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
15:01:45 <Zakim> -gshults
15:01:46 <Zakim> -ShaneM.a
15:01:47 <Zakim> -Steven
15:01:51 <Zakim> -Roland
15:01:53 <Zakim> -yamx
15:02:01 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
15:02:26 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
15:02:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see ShaneM
15:02:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see Tina, ShaneM, yamx, gshults, RRSAgent, Zakim, oedipus, Roland, Steven, Lachy, krijn
15:02:33 <Steven> zakim, drop Shane
15:02:33 <Zakim> ShaneM is being disconnected
15:02:35 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:00AM has ended
15:02:37 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.858.354.aaaa, Steven, ShaneM, gshults, Gregory_Rosmaita, Roland, yamx
15:02:39 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:02:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/23-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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15:03:06 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 Teleconference
15:03:09 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:03:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/23-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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