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20:58:00 <Ben> RRSAgent, make log world
20:58:07 <Ben> zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
20:58:07 <Zakim> ok, Ben; I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM scheduled to start 58 minutes ago
20:58:14 <Ben> Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
20:58:23 <Ben> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2008JanMar/0025.html
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20:58:31 <Ben> Chair: Gregg_Vanderheiden, Loretta_Guarino_Reid
20:58:37 <Ben> ScribeOptions: -scribeOnly
20:58:40 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has now started
20:58:43 <Ben> agenda+ Announcements, Questions, and Updates
20:58:47 <Zakim> + +1.240.855.aaaa
20:59:06 <Ben> agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 10 Jan 2008 (#7+) <http://tinyurl.com/2g4yrh>
20:59:16 <Zakim> - +1.240.855.aaaa
20:59:17 <Zakim> + +1.240.855.aaaa
20:59:19 <Zakim> +Cooper
20:59:27 <Ben> CSS Techniques for SC 1.4.5 and SC 1.4.9 <http://tinyurl.com/22dq6z>
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20:59:46 <Ben> agenda+ Miscellaneous Proposals for 17 Jan 2008 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080117misc/>
20:59:51 <Zakim> +??P4
20:59:56 <rscano> zakim, ??P4 is Roberto_Scano
20:59:56 <Zakim> +Roberto_Scano; got it
21:00:19 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
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21:01:32 <Zakim> +??P9
21:01:39 <Ben> zakim, ??P9 is Ben_Caldwell
21:01:39 <Zakim> +Ben_Caldwell; got it
21:01:57 <Zakim> +Sofia_Celic
21:02:11 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea
21:02:25 <Zakim> +??P13
21:02:36 <bengt> zakim, ??P13 is Bengt_Farre
21:02:36 <Zakim> +Bengt_Farre; got it
21:02:46 <Ben> zakim, Ben has Gregg_Vanderheiden
21:02:46 <Zakim> 'Ben' is ambiguous, Ben
21:03:06 <Ben> zakim, Ben_Caldwell has Gregg_Vanderheiden
21:03:06 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
21:03:23 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
21:03:44 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
21:03:58 <bengt> mute tim 
21:03:59 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow_Weaver
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21:05:55 <Zakim> + +0321632aabb
21:06:50 <Christophe> zakim, +032 is Christophe_Strobbe
21:06:50 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe; got it
21:07:40 <Andi> scribe: Andi
21:07:47 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/misc20080110/results
21:08:06 <Andi> topic: Sufficient technique for 3.1.3, 3.1.4: Using a dictionary cascade
21:08:22 <awk> I'm just logging on to IRC to give my regrets
21:08:33 <awk> unexpected conflict.
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21:09:50 <MichaelC> regrets: Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Cynthia_Shelly
21:13:27 <Andi> resolution: rename the technique and move to advisory
21:14:00 <Andi> topic: Sufficient technique for 3.1.5: Making the text easier to read
21:16:42 <Andi> resolution: accept technique for 3.1.4 "Making the text easier to read" as revised
21:17:30 <Andi> topic: Sufficient technique for 3.1.5: Providing sign language versions of information, ideas ...
21:19:01 <Andi> Keep the technique for 3.1.5 "Providing sign language versions of information, ideas" open - needs more work
21:19:10 <Andi> action: David to look for more sign language resources
21:19:59 <Andi> topic: Sufficient technique for Conformance Requirement 1 (Alternate Versions): Using HTTP referer ...
21:22:34 <Zakim> +??P2
21:22:59 <rscano> zakim, ??P2 is Roberto_Ellero
21:22:59 <Zakim> +Roberto_Ellero; got it
21:23:25 <Andi> resolution: accept proposal as amended with Ben and Michael to work out additional description to address Michael's comment
21:24:21 <Andi> topic: Modifications to H42: Using h1-h6 to identify headings
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21:27:09 <Loretta> ack k
21:27:10 <GreggVan> q+
21:28:19 <Zakim> +Alex_Li
21:28:55 <Loretta> ack g
21:29:23 <Sofia> q+
21:29:39 <Sofia> q-
21:30:50 <David_MacDonald> q+
21:30:51 <rscano> yep :)
21:31:12 <Andi> q+
21:31:33 <Loretta> ack d
21:32:11 <MichaelC> q+ to say HTML and XHTML are diverging
21:32:39 <Loretta> ack a
21:33:22 <Loretta> ack m
21:33:22 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say HTML and XHTML are diverging
21:34:10 <rscano> http://ramikayyali.com/archives/2006/02/13/h1 (more h1 ...)
21:37:40 <rscano> ok
21:39:08 <Andi> resolution: accept "Modifications to H42: Using h1-h6 to identify headings" as modified
21:39:18 <rscano> ok
21:40:09 <Andi> topic: New version of F82: Failure of SC 3.3.2 by visually formatting a set of phone number fields ...
21:44:13 <MichaelC> q+
21:44:30 <Loretta> ack m
21:44:36 <GreggVan> q+
21:44:55 <Loretta> q+
21:45:11 <Loretta> ack g
21:46:48 <Loretta> ack l
21:47:51 <Loretta> ack b
21:55:15 <Andi> resolution: accept "F82: Failure of SC 3.3.2 by visually formatting a set of phone number fields" as modified
21:56:19 <Andi> topic: Sufficient technique for 1.3.1: Using OPTGROUP to group OPTION elements inside a SELECT
22:00:43 <Andi> action: David to add User Agent notes to the technique "Using OPTGROUP to group OPTION elements inside a SELECT"
22:03:11 <Loretta> ack k
22:04:07 <Andi> topic: Sufficient technique for 1.3.1: Grouping form controls with FIELDSET and LEGEND
22:06:01 <Andi> resolution: accept "Sufficient technique for 1.3.1: Grouping form controls with FIELDSET and LEGEND" with modification to example 2 by Sofia
22:06:07 <David_MacDonald> zakim, unmute me
22:06:07 <Zakim> David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
22:06:09 <Ben> zakim, close this item
22:06:09 <Zakim> I do not know what agendum had been taken up, Ben
22:06:11 <GreggVan> Q+
22:06:21 <Ben> zakim, close agendum 1
22:06:21 <Zakim> agendum 1, Announcements, Questions, and Updates, closed
22:06:22 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
22:06:23 <Zakim> 2. Miscellaneous Proposals for 10 Jan 2008 (#7+) <http://tinyurl.com/2g4yrh> [from Ben]
22:06:25 <Loretta> ack g
22:06:27 <Ben> zakim, close agendum 2
22:06:27 <Zakim> agendum 2, Miscellaneous Proposals for 10 Jan 2008 (#7+) <http://tinyurl.com/2g4yrh>, closed
22:06:29 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
22:06:30 <Zakim> 3. Miscellaneous Proposals for 17 Jan 2008 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080117misc/> [from Ben]
22:06:34 <Andi> action: Sofia to modify example 2 in technique "Grouping form controls with FIELDSET and LEGEND"
22:06:41 <Ben> zakim, take up agendum 3
22:06:41 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 17 Jan 2008 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080117misc/>" taken up [from Ben]
22:07:20 <Ben> agenda?
22:07:21 <Loretta> q+
22:07:25 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
22:08:40 <Ben> agenda+ CSS Techniques for SC 1.4.5 and SC 1.4.9
22:08:46 <Ben> zakim, take up agendum 4
22:08:46 <Zakim> agendum 4. "CSS Techniques for SC 1.4.5 and SC 1.4.9" taken up [from Ben]
22:08:58 <Sofia> q+
22:09:04 <Loretta> ack l
22:09:47 <Loretta> ack s
22:12:19 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
22:12:26 <Andi> topic: SC 1.4.5, 1.4.9 Sufficient Technique: "Using CSS to control visual presentation of text"
22:13:12 <Andi> resolution: instead of all of the dvisory techniques proposed on this survey, have one CSS technique on using CSS to control visual presentation with these proposed techniques as examples
22:13:33 <Andi> action: Sofia to develop the technique on "using CSS to control visual presentation of text"
22:13:39 <Ben> zakim, close this item
22:13:39 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
22:13:40 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
22:13:41 <Zakim> 3. Miscellaneous Proposals for 17 Jan 2008 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080117misc/> [from Ben]
22:13:47 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
22:13:51 <Ben> zakim, take up agendum 3
22:13:51 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Miscellaneous Proposals for 17 Jan 2008 <http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20080117misc/>" taken up [from Ben]
22:14:58 <Andi> topic: Comparison of WCAG 1.0 Checkpoints to WCAG 2.0
22:16:04 <GreggVan> q+
22:16:29 <David_MacDonald> zakim, mute me
22:16:29 <Zakim> David_MacDonald should now be muted
22:17:11 <Loretta> ack g
22:20:44 <Andi> resolution: accept comparison of WCAG 1.0 checkpoints to WCAG 2.0 as modified
22:20:52 <David_MacDonald> zakim, unmute me
22:20:52 <Zakim> David_MacDonald should no longer be muted
22:21:05 <Zakim> -Roberto_Scano
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22:21:11 <Andi> topic: Issue 2274: use accessibility-supported technologies
22:28:50 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
22:29:39 <Zakim> +Alex_Li
22:30:32 <Zakim> -Roberto_Ellero
22:33:34 <Andi> resolution: accept issue 2274 as revised
22:34:37 <Andi> topic: Issue 2289: distinction between blinking and flashing still isn't clear
22:34:45 <Andi> resolution: accept 2289 as proposed
22:34:59 <Andi> topic: Issue 2293: Please clarify 3.1.4
22:35:11 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
22:36:50 <Andi> resolution: accept 2293 as proposed
22:36:51 <Sofia> q+
22:37:48 <Sofia> q-
22:38:33 <Loretta> ack k
22:38:52 <Loretta> q+
22:41:01 <Andi> topic: Issue 2373: doing a little more for people with cognitive limitations
22:41:34 <Andi> action: Bruce to draft a failure for alt text that is not equivalent
22:41:43 <Andi> keep 2373 open
22:44:34 <Andi> resolution: accept 2379, 2380, 2381, 2382, 2383 as proposed and 2384 as amended by unanimous consent
22:47:00 <Zakim> -Sofia_Celic
22:47:01 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
22:47:02 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
22:47:03 <Zakim> -Bengt_Farre
22:47:04 <Zakim> -Cooper
22:47:05 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
22:47:06 <Zakim> -Ben_Caldwell
22:47:07 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
22:47:08 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
22:47:10 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
22:47:12 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()3:00PM has ended
22:47:14 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.240.855.aaaa, Cooper, Roberto_Scano, Bruce_Bailey, David_MacDonald, Sofia_Celic, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Bengt_Farre, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Tim_Boland,
22:47:16 <Zakim> ... Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Andi_Snow_Weaver, +0321632aabb, Christophe_Strobbe, Roberto_Ellero, Alex_Li
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23:04:30 <Loretta> zakim, bye
23:04:30 <Zakim> Zakim has left #wai-wcag
23:04:39 <Loretta> rrsagent, make log public
23:04:49 <Loretta> rrsagent, draft minutes
23:04:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-wai-wcag-minutes.html Loretta
23:05:14 <Ben> zakim, bye
23:05:31 <Ben> RRSAgent, bye
23:05:31 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
23:05:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: David to look for more sign language resources [1]
23:05:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-wai-wcag-irc#T21-19-10
23:05:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: David to add User Agent notes to the technique "Using OPTGROUP to group OPTION elements inside a SELECT" [2]
23:05:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-wai-wcag-irc#T22-00-43
23:05:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sofia to modify example 2 in technique "Grouping form controls with FIELDSET and LEGEND" [3]
23:05:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-wai-wcag-irc#T22-06-34
23:05:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sofia to develop the technique on "using CSS to control visual presentation of text" [4]
23:05:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-wai-wcag-irc#T22-13-33
23:05:31 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Bruce to draft a failure for alt text that is not equivalent [5]
23:05:31 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-wai-wcag-irc#T22-41-34