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16:00:53 <mhausenblas> zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)
16:00:53 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start now
16:00:59 <mhausenblas> Meeting: W3C RDF-in-XHTML TF - Telecon 2008-01-17, 15:00 UTC 
16:01:05 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0162.html
16:01:11 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/10-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-01-10
16:01:14 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started
16:01:21 <Zakim> +??P6
16:01:28 <msporny> zakim, I am ??P6
16:01:28 <Zakim> +msporny; got it
16:01:35 <msporny> :)
16:01:43 <Zakim> + +43.316.aaaa
16:03:54 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
16:03:54 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
16:03:55 <Zakim> +Steven
16:04:12 <mhausenblas> ScribeNick: mhausenblas
16:04:24 <mhausenblas> zakim, who is here?
16:04:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see msporny, +43.316.aaaa, Steven
16:04:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, markbirbeck, mhausenblas, msporny, Steven-eee, Steven
16:04:33 <mhausenblas> Zakim, .aaa is me
16:04:35 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I do not recognize a party named '.aaa'
16:04:35 <Simone> Simone has joined #rdfa
16:04:46 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaaa is me
16:04:53 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
16:05:21 <Steven> 04[17:05] *** Zakim is on: &wai #rdfa #xproc #voice #xbrl #bpwg &mnsb &inc #math #ssml &pointy #pf &mit &rrs 
16:05:21 <Steven> 01
16:05:37 <Steven> Zakim  is busy
16:06:31 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
16:06:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:06:38 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public 
16:06:45 <msporny> 1) Action Items
16:06:45 <msporny> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/10-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary
16:06:45 <msporny> 2) Chaining completion by @href and @src: what is everyone's take on this?
16:06:45 <msporny> 3) non-prefixed RELs: putting aside the issue of *which spec doc* the
16:06:45 <msporny> reserved words are defined in, for now, it's probably worth voting on
16:06:46 <msporny> Manu's proposal, if there is enough of a quorum:
16:06:48 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0152.html
16:06:50 <msporny> I vote yes.
16:06:52 <msporny> 4) Test Cases: any updates we need to cover?
16:07:08 <Steven> Agenda+Action items
16:07:21 <Steven> Agenda+Chaining completion
16:07:24 <Ralph> Ralph has joined #rdfa
16:07:33 <Zakim> +??P19
16:07:34 <Steven> Agenda+Non-prefixed rels
16:07:41 <Steven> Agenda+Test cases
16:07:41 <Simone> Zakim, ??P19 is me
16:07:42 <Zakim> +Simone; got it
16:07:49 <Steven> zakim, agenda?
16:07:49 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
16:07:50 <Zakim> 1. Action items [from Steven]
16:07:51 <Zakim> 2. Chaining completion [from Steven]
16:07:53 <Zakim> 3. Non-prefixed rels [from Steven]
16:07:54 <Zakim> 4. Test cases [from Steven]
16:08:00 <Steven> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:08:00 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Action items" taken up [from Steven]
16:08:17 <msporny> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/10-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary
16:08:18 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/01/10-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary
16:08:28 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
16:08:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 7332 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
16:08:59 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
16:09:02 <Zakim> +markbirbeck
16:09:04 <mhausenblas> -- continues
16:09:19 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to add status of various implementations on rdfa.info [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/04-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
16:09:22 <mhausenblas> -- continues
16:09:32 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to respond to comment on follow-your-nose [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action02]
16:09:35 <mhausenblas> -- continues
16:09:49 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to set up a proper scribe schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
16:09:53 <mhausenblas> -- continues
16:10:12 <mhausenblas> propose to have a look at http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/implementation-report/
16:10:34 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
16:10:43 <mhausenblas> -- continues
16:10:45 <Steven> Agenda+Implementation report
16:10:51 <Simone> Zakim, mute me
16:10:51 <Zakim> Simone should now be muted
16:10:53 <mhausenblas> [PENDING] ACTION: Ralph followup with Dublin Core on what's going on with their namespace URI [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
16:10:59 <mhausenblas> -- continues
16:11:29 <mhausenblas> Chair: Steven
16:11:42 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Ben
16:11:48 <Steven> Agenda+Parsing rules
16:11:50 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
16:11:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:11:57 <Steven> zakim, take up agendum 6
16:11:57 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Parsing rules" taken up [from Steven]
16:13:26 <mhausenblas> Manu: Regarding Syntax document
16:13:39 <mhausenblas> ... establishing subject
16:14:05 <mhausenblas> Mark explains current processing with hanging 
16:14:43 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?
16:14:55 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: msporny (39%), mhausenblas (35%), markbirbeck (74%)
16:15:00 <mhausenblas> zakim, mute me
16:15:00 <Zakim> mhausenblas should now be muted
16:15:11 <Steven> :-)
16:17:16 <mhausenblas> Manu: For example @resource vs, @about (feedback from one of the developers)
16:17:58 <mhausenblas> Mark: One starts learning a new language should start with basic stuff as 'I want triple'
16:19:17 <mhausenblas> Mark: IMO we have to explain it well rather than removing features (even if  verbose)
16:20:41 <mhausenblas> ... we have basicall agreed on chaining, so if we are about to remove features
16:21:01 <mhausenblas> s/basicall/basically
16:21:17 <mhausenblas> ... we would end up with a bunch of exceptions
16:21:20 <Zakim> +Ralph
16:21:31 <Ralph> [apologies for tardiness]
16:21:57 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:21:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:26:26 <mhausenblas> Mark: When preserving legacy values, one has to take care of the whole picture
16:26:59 <mhausenblas> Ralph: Also author awareness is an issue
16:28:29 <mhausenblas> ... this is a new language, but people familiar with previous languages should not get into too much trouble
16:29:15 <mhausenblas> Steven reminds on the opic
16:29:21 <mhausenblas> s/opic/topic
16:29:36 <mhausenblas> Manu: Sent out three questions to the list
16:29:47 <mhausenblas> ... so there are two more
16:29:58 <mhausenblas> ... <img />
16:30:24 <mhausenblas> Manu: @src setting the subject
16:30:38 <mhausenblas> ... and cases where it doen't
16:30:49 <mhausenblas> s/doen't/doesn't
16:31:07 <mhausenblas> Mark: In my model, every attrib can be subject/object
16:31:27 <mhausenblas> ... so far no distinction between @about, etc.
16:31:59 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
16:31:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:33:15 <mhausenblas> Manu: One has to understand the processing  model to 'get it' what happens
16:34:07 <mhausenblas> Mark: @src issue does not fundamentally touch my model
16:35:07 <Steven> zakim, agenda?
16:35:07 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
16:35:09 <Zakim> 1. Action items [from Steven]
16:35:10 <Zakim> 2. Chaining completion [from Steven]
16:35:11 <Zakim> 3. Non-prefixed rels [from Steven]
16:35:12 <Zakim> 4. Test cases [from Steven]
16:35:14 <Zakim> 5. Implementation report [from Steven]
16:35:15 <Zakim> 6. Parsing rules [from Steven]
16:35:23 <mhausenblas> Zakim, take up agendum 5
16:35:23 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Implementation report" taken up [from Steven]
16:35:37 <mhausenblas> zakim, unmute me please
16:35:37 <Zakim> mhausenblas should no longer be muted
16:36:02 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/implementation-report/ IR
16:37:55 <mhausenblas> cf http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/impl-report-ql SPARQL implementation report
16:38:27 <Ralph> q+
16:38:45 <Ralph> Michael: my idea was to run the test cases and report which tests pass and which fail
16:39:37 <Ralph> ... is it necessary to have a call where all those listed in the table can participate?
16:39:46 <Steven> ack R
16:41:53 <msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
16:45:39 <msporny> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0152.html
16:46:14 <mhausenblas> Zakim, take up agendum 4
16:46:14 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Test cases" taken up [from Steven]
16:47:02 <mhausenblas> http://sparql.org/sparql?query=prefix+xsd%3A++%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2001%2FXMLSchema%23%3E%0D%0Aprefix+rdf%3A++%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F1999%2F02%2F22-rdf-syntax-ns%23%3E%0D%0Aprefix+rdfs%3A+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2F01%2Frdf-schema%23%3E+%0D%0Aprefix+t%3A+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2006%2F03%2Ftest-description%23%3E%0D%0Aprefix+dc%3A+%3Chttp%3A%2F%2Fpurl.org%2Fdc%2Felements%2F1.1%2F%3E%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0ASELECT+*%0D%0AFROM+%3Chttp%3A%
16:47:42 <mhausenblas> Michael:  hon hold TC http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFaTC#head-0b21a2e0fed4fecba83df959548e4a4f7b2bb45c-7
16:51:23 <Ralph> Michael: 2 and 3 have meta in the body, which is not allowed in this version of RDFa, so we'll drop those
16:51:30 <mhausenblas> +1
16:52:20 <Ralph> Manu: test 4 -- we've also decided to disallow xml:base, so test 4 should be dropped
16:52:28 <Ralph> RESOLVED: drop tests 2 and 3 
16:52:55 <Ralph> Mark: I'd thought we'd made xml:base optional
16:53:15 <Ralph> .. but I'm sure the answer is in the spec
16:53:23 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/16-rdfa-irc#T16-07-07
16:53:50 <markbirbeck> "If a language includes @xml:base [XMLBASE], an RDFa parser for that host language must process it, and use its value to set [base]."
16:54:16 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jan/0014.html Re: Test Case #73: @about with relative URL using XHTML @xml:base
16:55:27 <Ralph> Michael: so we could change test 4 to show that no triples are generated
16:55:47 <Ralph> x/no triples are generated/the generated triples ignore xml:base/
16:55:51 <Ralph> s/no triples are generated/the generated triples ignore xml:base/
16:56:04 <Ralph> Manu: the href needs to change to illustrate this?
16:56:52 <Ralph> Michael: I'll fix test 4 to show what should be generated, with xml:base ignored
16:57:02 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0016
16:57:17 <Ralph> -- test 16: Blank node, explicit 
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17:00:42 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/Test0016
17:02:10 <Ralph> Ralph: what was test 16 supposed to test?
17:02:33 <Ralph> Michael: see comment from Elias -- apparently tests @about referring to a bnode
17:02:45 <Ralph> ... propose to drop 16
17:03:00 <Ralph> Manu: test 64 tests bnode ref in a more atomic way
17:03:25 <Ralph> RESOLVED: test 16 dropped
17:03:25 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
17:03:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:03:42 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
17:03:44 <Zakim> -Steven
17:03:45 <Zakim> -msporny
17:03:47 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
17:03:50 <Zakim> -Ralph
17:03:51 <Zakim> -Simone
17:03:53 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
17:03:54 <Zakim> Attendees were msporny, +43.316.aaaa, Steven, mhausenblas, Simone, markbirbeck, Ralph
17:04:07 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:04:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:05:40 <Ralph> i/manu: test 4/scribenick: ralph
17:05:44 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
17:05:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
17:06:31 <Ralph> i/Manu: test 4/scribenick: ralph
17:06:33 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
17:06:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
17:07:13 <Ralph> i/Michael: 2 and 3/scribenick: ralph
17:07:14 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
17:07:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/17-rdfa-minutes.html Ralph
17:08:05 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
17:08:05 <RRSAgent> I see no action items