IRC log of xmlsec on 2008-01-15

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/01/15-xmlsec-irc

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be XMLSEC

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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot-ng

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Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 15 January 2008

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trackbot-ng, start meeting

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be XMLSEC

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ok, trackbot-ng; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 27 minutes

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Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 15 January 2008

13:36:24 [tlr]

Chair: fjh

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jan/0030.html

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jan/0030.html

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tlr has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jan/0030.html

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Chair: Frederick Hirsch

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hello

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s/hello//

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13:50:28 [tlr]

defcan tests?

13:50:29 [klanz2]

Unfortunately I cannot dial in, but I'll try to pay some attention to IRC, in case I can be of help please ping me directly ...

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s/defcan tests?//

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T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started

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+Frederick_Hirsch

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+Thomas

13:52:00 [fjh]

Regrets: Juan Carlos Cruellas, Bruce Rich

13:52:04 [tlr]

zakim, drop thomas

13:52:04 [Zakim]

Thomas is being disconnected

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-Thomas

13:52:07 [fjh]

Scribe: Sean Mullan

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zakim, call thomas-skye

13:52:08 [Zakim]

I am sorry, tlr; I do not know a number for thomas-skye

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zakim, call thomas-skype

13:52:13 [Zakim]

ok, tlr; the call is being made

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-Frederick_Hirsch

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+Frederick_Hirsch

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+Thomas

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jan/0030.html

13:57:18 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

13:57:18 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas

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On IRC I see sean, klanz2, fjh, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng

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+Sean_Mullen

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yes

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+rdmiller

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zakim, mute me

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rdmiller should now be muted

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+pdatta

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zakim, I am thomas

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ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas

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zakim, mute me

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Thomas should now be muted

14:02:03 [fjh]

Regrets: Juan Carlos Cruellas, Konrad Lanz, Bruce Rich

14:02:15 [fjh]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jan/0030.html

14:02:21 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

14:02:21 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas (muted), Sean_Mullen, rdmiller (muted), pdatta

14:02:23 [Zakim]

On IRC I see pdatta, rdmiller, sean, klanz2, fjh, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng

14:02:34 [fjh]

Konrad, are you able to scribe next week?

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+jwray

14:03:12 [sean]

TOPIC: Administrivia

14:03:42 [tlr]

yes, I'm happy to chair next ween if needed

14:03:51 [sean]

fjh: may not be able to chair next week

14:03:57 [fjh]

http://www.w3.org/2008/01/08-xmlsec-minutes.html

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fjh: any concerns with minutes or making them public?

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RESOLUTION: minutes approved and make them public

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TOPIC: C14N11 Implementation report and Test Case document

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fjh: need to get info on implementations

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fjh: ... in next two weeks

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http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmldsig/c14n11/report.html

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fjh: this week if possible

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q+ to note that I'd also like to know whether people are ok with publishing the report

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ack tlr

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ack thom

14:06:57 [Zakim]

Thomas, you wanted to note that I'd also like to know whether people are ok with publishing the report

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ack Thomas

14:07:06 [klanz2]

Re: Konrad, are you able to scribe next week? No, I'm sorry I am also not sure if I can attend next weeks call, it is very likely that I am on vacation on that day ...

14:07:24 [fjh]

Oracle and Sun are able to provide implementation information

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tlr: does anyone object to making the impl. report public?

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zakim, mute me

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Thomas should now be muted

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ACTION: sean to confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public

14:08:41 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-134 - Confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public [on Sean Mullan - due 2008-01-22].

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ACTION: klanz to confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public

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Created ACTION-135 - Confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public [on Konrad Lanz - due 2008-01-22].

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ACTION: jcc to confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public

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Created ACTION-136 - Confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2008-01-22].

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ACTION: pdatta to confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public

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Created ACTION-137 - Confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public [on Pratik Datta - due 2008-01-22].

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zakim, mute me

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Thomas was already muted, tlr

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Bruce has confirmed already

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+Hal_Lockhart

14:10:33 [sean]

sean's updates included renaming dname tests, renaming xpointer tests, typos

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-Thomas

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also, wrapping was fixed in signature output

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fjh: do we want to keep defcan-legacy-1?

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RE: confirm whether implementation report for c14n11 can be made public

14:12:08 [klanz2]

I'm sitting next to JC could you post the link we will have a quick look...

14:13:02 [rdmiller]

zakim, unmute me

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rdmiller should no longer be muted

14:13:22 [sean]

hal: will scribe next week

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zakim, mute me

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rdmiller should now be muted

14:14:31 [sean]

fjh: xml signature implementation report will be similar to c14n

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fjh: which tests do we include?

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+Ed_Simon

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fjh: should we include defCan tests?

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fjh: also, what about diffRFCs?

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zakim, call thomas-skype

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ok, tlr_; the call is being made

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+Thomas

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ACTION: Frederick to send inventory for signature implementation report

14:16:11 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-138 - Send inventory for signature implementation report [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2008-01-22].

14:16:23 [tlr_]

zakim, I am thomas

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ok, tlr_, I now associate you with Thomas

14:17:20 [sean]

fjh: how do we verify if tests passed or failed?

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14:18:06 [fjh]

1st , digests agree. transform chain

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Reference processing

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implementations had different keys, hence signature values won't match

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q+

14:19:43 [fjh]

however should verify signatures for correctness.

14:19:56 [fjh]

did this in interop before checking into cvs

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To measure whether transform chains are ok, enough to compare digest values.

14:20:04 [tlr_]

Signature values will be different.

14:20:18 [fjh]

ack sean

14:20:21 [tlr_]

Also, I believe people cross-validated signatures, and succeeded.

14:20:33 [tlr_]

DSA has a random value in it.

14:20:45 [fjh]

sean same key but signature values will differ because of algorithm

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sean: can't just look at the signature even though people have different keys.

14:22:24 [tlr_]

ah, yes.

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zakim, mute me

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Thomas should now be muted

14:22:48 [sean]

fjh: we need to compare digest values to verify if test passed or not

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TOPIC: XML Signature Draft

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fjh: took a pass at updating acknowledgements

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fjh ... let me know if anyone missed

14:24:10 [sean]

TOPIC: Chartering

14:24:26 [sean]

fjh: thomas made an edit since last meeting

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Further development of XML Encryption, added algorithms:

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"Develop an update to the XML Encryption specification to ensure

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consistency with possible changes to the XML Signature specification,

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and to accommodate additional cryptographic algorithms as determined

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necessary"

14:25:21 [EdS]

I looked at the potential charter and am happy with it.

14:25:34 [sean]

fjh: any concerns?

14:25:56 [sean]

fjh: question offline about maintenance

14:26:07 [tlr_]

only the maintenance section, indeed!

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q+

14:26:17 [sean]

fjh: does it apply to everything or only maintenance?

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ack Thomas

14:26:46 [sean]

TOPIC: Best Practices

14:27:02 [sean]

hal: when planning to submit charter?

14:27:28 [sean]

tlr: up to WG to decide

14:27:58 [sean]

fjh: have we given others (externally) enough time to look at it?

14:28:06 [sean]

tlr: think we have done enough

14:28:40 [sean]

hal: how long does it take to start up new WG?

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tlr: at least 2 months

14:29:34 [sean]

hal: no delay after director's approval?

14:31:11 [sean]

fjh: maybe we should agree to approve charter at next weeks call?

14:31:24 [tlr_]

+1 to Hal

14:31:38 [sean]

hal: get comments in now if you have them

14:32:29 [sean]

fjh: if no concerns raised, plan on approving next week

14:34:00 [tlr_]

q+ to get back to the acknowledgements briefly

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ack Thomas

14:34:19 [Zakim]

Thomas, you wanted to get back to the acknowledgements briefly

14:34:51 [sean]

tlr: looks like some of the names from the first revision were removed

14:34:58 [sean]

tlr: would rather avoid that

14:35:14 [sean]

tlr: add new section for 2nd edition and keep previous names

14:35:35 [tlr_]

ACTION: thomas to fix acknowledgements section

14:35:35 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-139 - Fix acknowledgements section [on Thomas Roessler - due 2008-01-22].

14:36:02 [sean]

TOPIC: Action item review

14:36:18 [tlr]

zakim, I am thomas

14:36:18 [Zakim]

ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas

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ACTION-112?

14:36:34 [trackbot-ng]

ACTION-112 -- Thomas Roessler to prepare interop report template -- due 2007-11-15 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/track/actions/112

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ACTION-112 closed

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trackbot-ng, close ACTION-112

14:36:51 [trackbot-ng]

ACTION-112 Prepare interop report template closed

14:37:00 [sean]

ACTION-115 still open, JCC working on it

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trackbot-ng, close ACTION-115

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ACTION-115 Review EXI with respect to correct XML Security usage closed

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trackbot-ng, reopen ACTION-115

14:37:09 [trackbot-ng]

ACTION-115 Review EXI with respect to correct XML Security usage re-opened

14:37:11 [tlr]

sorry

14:37:21 [sean]

ACTION-128 closed

14:37:35 [tlr]

trackbot-ng, close ACTION-128

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ACTION-128 Implement fix to section 3.2.5 in testcase doc closed

14:38:03 [sean]

ACTION-129 closed

14:38:23 [fjh]

ACTION-128 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-commits/2008Jan/0021.html

14:38:39 [tlr]

trackbot-ng, close ACTION-129

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ACTION-129 Rename the xpointer tests as per doc closed

14:38:47 [fjh]

ACTION-129 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-commits/2008Jan/0025.htm

14:38:53 [sean]

ACTION-130 closed

14:39:19 [fjh]

ACTION-130 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-commits/2008Jan/0021.html

14:39:30 [sean]

ACTION-131 closed

14:39:40 [fjh]

ACTION-131 see see http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/#news

14:39:58 [tlr]

trackbot-ng, close ACTION-130

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ACTION-130 Remove unused DName cases from the doc closed

14:40:02 [tlr]

trackbot-ng, close ACTION-131

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ACTION-131 Update xmlsec public web page with pointer to wiki draft charter closed

14:40:19 [sean]

trackbot-ng, close ACTION-132

14:40:19 [trackbot-ng]

ACTION-132 Send message to public-xmlsec-discuss closed

14:40:28 [fjh]

ACTION-132 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-discuss/2008Jan/0001.html

14:40:33 [sean]

trackbot-ng, close ACTION-133

14:40:33 [trackbot-ng]

ACTION-133 Respond to Magnus re DerivedKey closed

14:40:56 [fjh]

ACTION-133 see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-discuss/2008Jan/0000.html

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-Hal_Lockhart

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-rdmiller

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-pdatta

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-jwray

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-Ed_Simon

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rrsagent, make log public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

14:42:47 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/15-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr

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zakim, list participants

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As of this point the attendees have been Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, Sean_Mullen, rdmiller, pdatta, jwray, Hal_Lockhart, Ed_Simon

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/15-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr

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-Thomas

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-Frederick_Hirsch

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T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas, Sean_Mullen, rdmiller, pdatta, jwray, Hal_Lockhart, Ed_Simon

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