15:11:10 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #forms
15:11:10 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-irc
15:11:14 <Steven> zakim, list
15:11:14 <Zakim> I see INC_URW3()9:30AM, SW_SWEO()10:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM active and no others scheduled to start in the next 15 minutes
15:14:21 <nick> steven: 15 minutes earlier then before
15:14:30 <nick> so in half an hour
15:14:32 <Steven> ah, thanks
15:14:37 <Steven> so at :45
15:14:40 <nick> yes
15:14:42 <Steven> thanks
15:14:45 <Steven> time for tea then
15:42:31 <CharlieWiecha> CharlieWiecha has joined #forms
15:43:57 <unl> unl has joined #forms
15:44:02 <John_Boyer> John_Boyer has joined #forms
15:44:23 <John_Boyer> zakim, code?
15:44:23 <Zakim> sorry, John_Boyer, I don't know what conference this is
15:44:29 <CharlieWiecha> i think the conf dialin is not enabled for this time
15:44:37 <CharlieWiecha> i'm getting an error calling in
15:44:38 <nick> nick has joined #forms
15:44:40 <John_Boyer> zakim, this will be forms
15:44:40 <Zakim> ok, John_Boyer; I see HTML_Forms()11:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
15:44:44 <John_Boyer> zakim, code
15:44:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', John_Boyer
15:44:44 <nick> zakim, code?
15:44:45 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), nick
15:44:51 <Steven> zakim, list
15:44:51 <Zakim> I see INC_URW3()9:30AM, Team_(comm-wicd)15:37Z active
15:44:52 <wellsk> wellsk has joined #forms
15:44:53 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are Team_W3M()8:00AM, SW_SWEO()10:00AM
15:45:08 <Steven> 10Zakim: 01ok, John_Boyer; I see HTML_Forms()11:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
15:45:11 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make log public
15:45:39 <unl> can't get in, too
15:45:56 <Steven> another 15 mins apparently
15:46:00 <CharlieWiecha> we'll probably have to wait until 11, yup
15:46:17 <klotz> klotz has joined #forms
15:46:23 <nick> hmm I can not enter the forms call
15:46:36 <wellsk> me neither
15:46:36 <CharlieWiecha> this also raises good question about our "virtual day"...getting phone access
15:46:39 <nick> this passcode is restricted
15:47:39 <unl> steven, are you able to fix this?
15:47:47 <Steven> not at this short notice
15:47:50 <John_Boyer> I am talking to a W3C operator now
15:48:21 <John_Boyer> operator says he can fix it now
15:48:28 <Steven> cool
15:48:31 <Steven> who was that?
15:48:36 <Rafael> Rafael has joined #forms
15:48:41 <John_Boyer> asks that team contact sends an email to close the loop, so to speak
15:48:48 <Steven> oh, ok
15:48:50 <John_Boyer> Name is Josh
15:48:53 <Steven> who was it?
15:48:57 <Steven> Ah OK
15:49:01 <Rafael> zakim, code?
15:49:01 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Rafael
15:49:31 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:49:31 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:49:34 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()11:00AM has now started
15:49:40 <Zakim> +Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse
15:49:46 <Zakim> + +1.919.254.aaaa
15:49:54 <Steven> zakim, drop steven
15:49:54 <Zakim> sorry, Steven, I do not see a party named 'steven'
15:50:00 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:50:01 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:50:02 <Zakim> +Steven
15:50:05 <unl> zakim, Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse is me
15:50:05 <Zakim> +unl; got it
15:50:11 <Zakim> +Rafa
15:50:19 <Zakim> +??P6
15:50:20 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:50:24 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?
15:50:27 <CharlieWiecha> zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
15:50:28 <Zakim> +Charlie; got it
15:50:29 <unl> zakim, who is making noise?
15:50:33 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
15:50:35 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.919.254.aaaa (70%)
15:50:44 <wellsk> oops
15:50:45 <Zakim> unl, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.919.254.aaaa (78%), Steven (17%)
15:50:48 <Zakim> +Leigh_Klotz
15:50:57 <Steven> zakim, mute aaaa
15:50:57 <Zakim> +1.919.254.aaaa should now be muted
15:51:04 <Steven> that did it
15:51:05 <wellsk> zakim, aaaa is wellsk
15:51:05 <Zakim> +wellsk; got it
15:51:16 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
15:51:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see unl, wellsk (muted), Steven, Rafa, ??P6, Charlie, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Leigh_Klotz
15:51:17 <wellsk> zakim, mute me
15:51:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rafael, klotz, wellsk, nick, John_Boyer, unl, CharlieWiecha, RRSAgent, Zakim, markbirbeck, Steven, ebruchez, trackbot-ng
15:51:21 <Zakim> wellsk was already muted, wellsk
15:51:22 <Steven> Nice drumming wellsk
15:51:23 <Rafael> Regrets from Roger, still on vacation
15:51:28 <John_Boyer> zakim, I am ??P6
15:51:28 <Zakim> +John_Boyer; got it
15:51:33 <nick> zakm, mute me
15:51:35 <klotz> Nice barking, Steven
15:51:35 <CharlieWiecha> zakim, Charlie is CharlieWiecha
15:51:35 <Zakim> +CharlieWiecha; got it
15:51:39 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Telecon
15:51:42 <Steven> lol
15:51:49 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jan/0008.html
15:52:09 <John_Boyer> John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jan/0008.html
15:52:18 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
15:52:21 <John_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh
15:53:06 <John_Boyer> Regrets: Erik, Joern, Roger
15:55:52 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Jan/0008.html
15:55:59 <unl> zakim, mute me
15:55:59 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
15:56:23 <wellsk> zakim, unmute me
15:56:23 <Zakim> wellsk should no longer be muted
15:58:31 <nick> I'(l be traveling to the states on saterday
15:58:45 <nick> ack me
16:02:15 <wellsk> zakim, mute me
16:02:15 <Zakim> wellsk should now be muted
16:03:37 <unl> what about hotel reservation?
16:03:55 <nick> who is comming?
16:04:01 <wellsk> Yep -- will do 
16:04:35 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
16:04:35 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
16:04:45 <wellsk> Keith will take that action
16:04:54 <klotz> ACTION: Steven Pemberton to prepare questionnaire for next F2F.
16:04:54 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-441 - Pemberton to prepare questionnaire for next F2F. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-01-16].
16:05:10 <Zakim> + +020876aabb
16:05:19 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am aaaa
16:05:22 <Zakim> sorry, markbirbeck, I do not see a party named 'aaaa'
16:05:24 <klotz> ACTION: Keith Wells to produce F2F info page in wiki based on previous F2F page.
16:05:24 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-442 - Wells to produce F2F info page in wiki based on previous F2F page. [on Keith Wells - due 2008-01-16].
16:05:32 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am aabb
16:05:39 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
16:05:45 <nick> zakim, mute me
16:05:47 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
16:06:01 <Steven> Keith, here is the FtF page: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/FaceToFace
16:06:08 <wellsk> thanks
16:06:38 <nick> this is the info of the previous meeting in Raleigh : http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Group/2005/09/f2f/
16:08:45 <Steven> Keith, here is a wiki template: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/FtF_2007_09
16:08:55 <wellsk> great
16:12:07 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0085.html
16:19:18 <Zakim> -Rafa
16:20:26 <Zakim> +Rafa
16:20:35 <klotz> RESOLUTION: For the card type, set length restriction of min=2, no max.  Insert example of Canadian social insurance number
16:21:24 <klotz> ACTION: John Boyer to perform spec edits and schema edits for card type change and example.
16:21:24 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
16:21:24 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
16:24:23 <klotz> Is it this? http://www.w3.org/TR/its/
16:26:45 <CharlieWiecha> * back in 5
16:29:13 <klotz> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to read http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ and contact Felix Sasaki to discuss XForms.
16:29:13 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-443 - Klotz to read http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ and contact Felix Sasaki to discuss XForms. [on Leigh Klotz, Jr. - due 2008-01-16].
16:30:37 <Steven> They have numeric attributes of name 'id' but we don't know that they are of type ID
16:37:31 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/2005/05/tr-versions
16:39:24 <klotz> ACTION: Steven Pemberton and John Boyer to continue discussing shortnames for recommendations and drafts.
16:39:24 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-444 - Pemberton and John Boyer to continue discussing shortnames for recommendations and drafts. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2008-01-16].
16:39:47 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0041.html
16:40:01 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0042.html
16:40:16 <Steven> zakim, is uli here?
16:40:20 <Zakim> Steven, I do not see Uli anywhere
16:48:58 <unl> unl has joined #forms
16:52:01 <nick> I don't think the events will go to the action
16:52:28 <unl> zakim, unmute me
16:52:28 <Zakim> unl should no longer be muted
16:57:25 <Steven> unl wants to speak?
16:57:41 <Steven> q+unl
16:58:07 <nick> allowing submission attributes on the send is the same as allowing readonly on input
16:58:45 <Steven> ack unl
16:59:15 <nick> (and other mips on controls)
16:59:47 <nick> zakim, unmute me
16:59:58 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should no longer be muted
17:07:54 <klotz> ACTION: Nick van den Bleeken and Mark Birbeck to write up submission, submit, and send attributes and child nesting.
17:07:54 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-445 - Van den Bleeken and Mark Birbeck to write up submission, submit, and send attributes and child nesting. [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2008-01-16].
17:08:37 <nick> zakim, mute me
17:08:37 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
17:10:21 <nick> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/cgi-bin/xforms-issues/
17:10:27 <John_Boyer> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/xforms-issues/
17:10:57 <klotz> ACTION: Uli Liss&eacute; to collect deferred last call issues from http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/xforms-issues/ and put them into the Future Features area of the Wiki.
17:10:57 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Uli
17:12:23 <klotz> s/uli/unl/
17:13:32 <unl> zakim, mute me
17:13:32 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
17:15:14 <nick> I'm not sure we need instance outside the model, but if the model isn't there you have an implicit instance and when you add a model you could specify if there is an implicit instance, so the first instance isn't the default but the implicit one
17:15:56 <nick> zakim, unmute me
17:15:56 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should no longer be muted
17:18:52 <Zakim> -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
17:18:53 <Zakim> -Steven
17:18:54 <Zakim> -wellsk
17:18:55 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
17:18:57 <Zakim> -CharlieWiecha
17:18:58 <Zakim> -Rafa
17:18:59 <CharlieWiecha> CharlieWiecha has left #forms
17:18:59 <Zakim> -unl
17:19:00 <Zakim> -Leigh_Klotz
17:19:01 <Zakim> -John_Boyer
17:19:02 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended
17:19:03 <wellsk> wellsk has left #forms
17:19:04 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.919.254.aaaa, Steven, unl, Rafa, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Leigh_Klotz, wellsk, John_Boyer, CharlieWiecha, +020876aabb, markbirbeck
17:19:14 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
17:19:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
17:19:18 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
17:19:18 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-actions.rdf :
17:19:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven Pemberton to prepare questionnaire for next F2F. [1]
17:19:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-irc#T16-04-54
17:19:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Keith Wells to produce F2F info page in wiki based on previous F2F page. [2]
17:19:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-irc#T16-05-24
17:19:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John Boyer to perform spec edits and schema edits for card type change and example. [3]
17:19:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-irc#T16-21-24
17:19:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to read http://www.w3.org/TR/its/ and contact Felix Sasaki to discuss XForms. [4]
17:19:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-irc#T16-29-13
17:19:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven Pemberton and John Boyer to continue discussing shortnames for recommendations and drafts. [5]
17:19:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-irc#T16-39-24
17:19:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Nick van den Bleeken and Mark Birbeck to write up submission, submit, and send attributes and child nesting. [6]
17:19:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-irc#T17-07-54
17:19:18 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Uli Liss&eacute; to collect deferred last call issues from http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/xforms-issues/ and put them into the Future Features area of the Wiki. [7]
17:19:18 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/09-forms-irc#T17-10-57