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16:02:31 <dbooth> zakim, this is biordf
16:02:31 <Zakim> ok, dbooth; that matches SW_HCLS(BioRDF)11:00AM
16:02:39 <dbooth> zakim, passcode?
16:02:39 <Zakim> the conference code is 246733 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dbooth
16:02:59 <mscottm> in the end, it worked - i just had to keep trying
16:03:52 <dbooth> zakim bridge is acting strange -- hung up on me
16:04:14 <Zakim> +Alan_Ruttenberg
16:04:21 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-617
16:04:21 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
16:04:23 <Zakim> +EricP
16:04:24 <Zakim> +DBooth
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16:05:11 <dbooth> Meeting: BioRDF
16:05:18 <dbooth> Chair: Susie
16:05:31 <dbooth> Scribe: Alan
16:05:41 <Zakim> -Alan_Ruttenberg
16:06:08 <dbooth> zakim, mute me temporarily
16:06:08 <Zakim> DBooth should now be muted
16:06:11 <Zakim> +Alan_Ruttenberg
16:06:12 <Zakim> -EricP
16:06:14 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-617
16:06:14 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
16:06:14 <Zakim> +EricP
16:06:24 <Zakim> DBooth should now be unmuted again
16:06:26 <alanr> alanr has joined #biordf
16:06:33 <Zakim> +Kei_Cheung
16:06:35 <dbooth> scribe: alanr
16:06:42 <dbooth> scribenick alanr
16:06:43 <alanr> documenting the knowledge base
16:06:49 <dbooth> scribenick: alanr
16:07:15 <alanr> zakim, who is on the call?
16:07:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.317.277.aaaa, ??P5, Don_Doherty, ??P11, M_Scott_Marshall, [IBM], EricP, DBooth, Alan_Ruttenberg, Kei_Cheung
16:07:15 <mscottm> http://sw.neurocommons.org/2007/kb.html
16:07:50 <alanr> zakim, aaaa is Susie
16:07:50 <Zakim> +Susie; got it
16:08:22 <alanr> Charter extension
16:08:45 <alanr> Been announced?
16:08:54 <alanr> Publish as "working notes"
16:09:13 <alanr> Announcement that charter is extended until 1 may
16:09:19 <alanr> 4 months.
16:09:51 <alanr> zakim, who is speaking?
16:10:02 <Zakim> alanr, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Susie (80%)
16:10:21 <alanr> zakim, who is speaking?
16:10:28 <mscottm> Sorry - here's the right URL: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/hcls/notes/kb/
16:10:33 <Zakim> alanr, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: M_Scott_Marshall (3%)
16:11:17 <alanr> seems ambitious given the holiday.
16:11:20 <alanr> +1 to susie
16:11:34 <alanr> Susie: Better to publish in January?
16:11:47 <alanr> Eric: Desire to publish by 21 decemeber.
16:11:59 <dbooth> dbooth thinks it would be better after the holiday -- more likely to get attention
16:12:32 <alanr> Susie: Let lead authors of the documents make the decision
16:12:51 <alanr> Scott: If draft by the 22nd, can we add to it?
16:13:13 <alanr> Eric: Q: Do we publish something for the world to see sooner?
16:13:38 <alanr> Susie: Once we have the working draft, that's the version that the whole world is given to edit
16:13:51 <alanr> Susie: Good enough that you can get reasonable feedback
16:14:10 <alanr> Susie: But not so polished that you will have to make too many difficult changes
16:14:36 <alanr> Eric: Not responsible as interest group - we don't have to give feedback to peoples comments - that's for working groups.
16:15:24 <alanr> Susie: Scott - does this influence your choice about when?
16:15:56 <alanr> Scott: Could get largest issues dealt with soon. Assembling lots of information already documented by Alan, Jonathan, Matthias, Don, and others.
16:16:20 <alanr> Scott: If overall structure for document, then fill it in, then doesn't see problem releasing sooner.
16:17:03 <alanr> Scott: Reason not to do it would be to take advantage of extension would fix some of the known issues in the KB and then document it.
16:17:32 <alanr> Susie: Given the amount of time, unlikely to have time to do new technical work. Plus we've done enough work already to write up.
16:17:37 <alanr> Scott: Concurs
16:18:07 <alanr> Resolved: Going to working draft to KB documentation in December
16:18:45 <alanr> Susie: Eric - will you take lead on formal aspects of publication? Transitions, etc.
16:19:28 <alanr> Eric: What was subject of Ivan's email re publication
16:19:29 <mscottm> I'm going to try dialing in again - I saw that my phone was causing some noise.
16:19:40 <Zakim> -M_Scott_Marshall
16:20:03 <alanr> Susie: Transtion request trigger cc to chairs, what uri should be, what short uri should be, w3c-communications, etc
16:20:15 <alanr> Susie: Need someone to own it.
16:20:26 <alanr> Eric: I take care of this sort of thing assuming group is OK
16:20:49 <alanr> Susie: Need to publish by Friday. Need to send out request *soon*
16:21:20 <alanr> Action: Eric to write note asking for publication
16:21:34 <alanr> Eric: Can do publication early next week
16:21:37 <mscottm> trying to dial in and getting "this passcode is not valid" (again)
16:22:07 <Zakim> +M_Scott_Marshall
16:22:14 <alanr> Eric: Try if we want and if it doesn't work, then scrap it for january if not
16:22:20 <alanr> Susie concurs
16:23:03 <alanr> Action: Scott to be ready to publish on Friday (best effort)
16:24:28 <alanr> Alan: If damaging that we say we will publish and we don't then do it then does it look bad
16:24:32 <alanr> Eric: Doesn't look bad
16:24:42 <alanr> Susie: Still shooting for friday
16:25:23 <alanr> Scott: Issues in getting the doc out: New query from Matthias. Use it in place of current query.
16:26:06 <alanr> Scott: of interest to people who are interested in the internal workings of the kb are schemas for each of the data sources.
16:27:05 <alanr> alan: What are the "schemas" is not always well defined. e.g. what is the schema from Gene ontology?
16:27:22 <alanr> scott: Scratch that (= gather schemas)
16:27:39 <alanr> Scott: Address articulation points in the query itself
16:27:50 <alanr> Susie: Can alway include it in a future release.
16:28:14 <alanr> Alan: Can we add new material in January?
16:29:07 <alanr> Susie: As we go forward and do new stuff with the knowledge base. Do we add new versions? Or do we write new documents with completely new material?
16:29:48 <alanr> Eric: Editorial decision. Expectation is that we will want to grow this in to one document unless there are appendices that are one the side.
16:29:59 <alanr> summary: Ok to add new material
16:32:27 <alanr> action: schedule meeting to discuss documentation in HCLS slot.
16:32:37 <alanr> thursday 11
16:32:41 <alanr> q+
16:34:53 <Susie> -> DSE Note http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/hcls/Note_DSE_20071108.html
16:36:29 <alanr> Alan: Needs wordsmithing. Have proofreads by SC assistant. Suggest Alan, Susie do wording edit and cleanup, in coordination with Kersten
16:37:22 <kei> I have to go now for another meeting. I'll continue to work with Matthias and others on the SenseLab documentation ...
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16:38:01 <Zakim> -Kei_Cheung
16:38:29 <alanr> Susie: (alan concurs) DSE note for release in January
16:39:11 <alanr> Action: Alan to apply changes to current html version. Susie to review document by thursday.
16:39:27 <alanr> Eric: Working draft implies we want comment
16:39:37 <alanr> Susie: Will we do this for DSE, as we will for KB note?
16:40:54 <alanr> kavita not sure she can attend. But will help.
16:41:03 <alanr> Holger will go.
16:43:35 <alanr> http://www.eswc2008.org/calldemos.html
16:46:30 <alanr> http://www2007.org/prog-W3CTrack.php
16:47:26 <alanr> Action: Holger to draft submission for ESWC demo, and present. Coordinate with Kavitha and others as appropriate
16:47:41 <alanr> Send draft around to group
16:47:54 <alanr> Susie: Next biordf Jan 7. Happy holidays
16:48:05 <alanr> bye
16:48:08 <Zakim> -??P5
16:48:09 <Zakim> -Susie
16:48:09 <Zakim> -Alan_Ruttenberg
16:48:10 <Zakim> -DBooth
16:48:11 <Zakim> -??P11
16:48:12 <Zakim> -Don_Doherty
16:48:14 <Zakim> -[IBM]
16:48:32 <dbooth> zakim, who was here?
16:48:32 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, dbooth.
16:48:37 <alanr> rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:48:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/17-BioRDF-minutes.html alanr
16:48:39 <dbooth> zakim, who is here?
16:48:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricP, M_Scott_Marshall
16:48:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see alanr, RRSAgent, Zakim, mscottm, dbooth, Susie, ericP
16:48:56 <alanr> rrsagent, make log world-readable
16:57:54 <Zakim> -EricP
16:57:56 <Zakim> -M_Scott_Marshall
16:57:58 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(BioRDF)11:00AM has ended
16:57:59 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.317.277.aaaa, Don_Doherty, M_Scott_Marshall, [IBM], Alan_Ruttenberg, EricP, DBooth, Kei_Cheung, Susie
17:24:43 <alanr> Present: Susie Stephens, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Alan Ruttenberg, Scott Marshal, David Booth, Kei Cheung, Holger Stenzhorn, Kavitha Srinivas, Don Doherty
17:24:54 <alanr> rrsagent, please draft minutes
17:24:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/17-BioRDF-minutes.html alanr
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