17:53:23 RRSAgent has joined #ua 17:53:23 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-irc 17:53:32 Zakim, this will be UAWG 17:53:32 ok, Jan; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes 17:53:40 Meeting: WAI UA 17:53:57 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2007OctDec/0073.html 17:54:08 Scribe: JR 17:54:17 Chair: Jim Allan 17:56:36 KFord has joined #ua 17:59:02 WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started 17:59:09 +[Microsoft] 18:00:06 +[IPcaller] 18:00:12 +AllanJ 18:00:52 zakim, [Microsoft] is really KFord 18:00:52 +KFord; got it 18:01:28 zakim, [IPcaller] is really JR 18:01:28 +JR; got it 18:02:39 +[IBM] 18:03:02 cklaws has joined #ua 18:03:10 RRSAgent, set logs public 18:03:29 zakim, [IBM] is really cklaws 18:03:29 +cklaws; got it 18:06:10 Topic: WCAG 2.0 last call - previous comments 18:07:09 JA: We sent in some comments last time..some resulted in changes, some not 18:07:38 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2007OctDec/0048.html 18:09:14 JR: Comment 1: Respecting OS keyboard accessibility features 18:09:33 JR: In this case they added paragraph to address 18:10:03 Action JR: Review WCAG 2.0 LC 18:10:10 Action JA: Review WCAG 2.0 LC 18:10:14 Action CL: Review WCAG 2.0 LC 18:10:40 KF: Will also be looking at it with comments via microsoft 18:11:17 Topic: GJR Review GL 10 - gap, proposals 18:11:27 JA: But Gregory not here 18:11:36 Topic: 18:11:39 Topic:review action items 18:11:48 Topic: CL to broaden the definition in 6.1 beyond infoset to cover thing like CSS 18:12:13 CL: Can't change "infoset" but could maybe change defn of content... 18:12:43 CL: Related to Web 2.0? 18:12:58 JA: Right and missed APIs 18:13:33 JA: And out of process dom's....ARIA specs.... 18:13:51 JA: And 6.2 is DOM access to XML/HTML content 18:14:29 CL: So work on additional wording specific to 6.1 and 6.2? 18:14:32 JA: Yes 18:14:44 JA: Our defnition of content is ued in 3 ways... 18:15:14 JA: So will you make a proposal to list? 18:15:30 CL: Can start by email and discuss in call 18:16:46 JA: Reading "issues" from the Wiki 18:17:10 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/wiki/UseApis 18:17:23 CL: Having probs seeing wiki 18:18:08 Action JR: Look into "denial of Service" issue re IBM 18:19:19 Topic: JR to follow up on 2.3 and make proposal. 18:20:24 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2007/WD-UAAG20-20071107/WD-UAAG20-20071107.html 18:20:54 JR: looking at conditional content checkpoint - was P1 and was long - took brainstorming and looked at levels 18:21:14 Changed name of checkpoint from rendered content to provide access to conditional content 18:21:36 To make level A 18:22:05 The user can browse and request the rendering of any items in a 18:22:05 *conditional content stack* that are encoded in *technologies* that the 18:22:05 user agent supports. 18:22:38 If UA doesn't do Flash, then doesn't need to render that 18:24:09 Update def of conditional content 18:24:13 in glossary 18:24:15 GLOSSARY: 18:24:17 "conditional content stack" 18:24:18 The set of *conditional content* items for a given position in content. 18:24:20 The items may be mutually exclusive (e.g., regular contrast graphic vs. 18:24:21 high contrast graphic) or non-exclusive (e.g., caption track that can 18:24:23 play at the same time as a sound track). 18:24:24 "Conditional content" 18:24:26 Conditional content is content that should be made available to users 18:24:27 only under certain conditions (e.g., based on user preferences or 18:24:29 operating environment limitations). Some examples include: 18:24:30 - The alt attribute of the IMG element in HTML 4. 18:24:32 - OBJECT elements in HTML 4. 18:24:33 - The switch element and test attributes in SMIL 1.0. 18:24:35 - The NOSCRIPT and NOFRAMES elements in HTML 4. 18:24:36 Note: Specifications vary in how completely they define how and when to 18:24:38 render conditional content. 18:24:39 2.3 Provide access to conditional content (P1) 18:24:41 Level A: 18:24:42 1. The user can browse and request the rendering of any items in a 18:24:44 *conditional content stack* that are encoded in *technologies* that the 18:24:46 user agent supports. 18:24:48 2. For visual user agents, if the user requests the rendering of an item 18:24:50 in the *conditional content stack* that has on-screen dimensions that 18:24:52 are larger than the default rendered item, then a configuration should 18:24:54 control which dimensions are used. 18:24:56 3. If an item in the *conditional content stack* is plain text (e.g. alt 18:24:58 text) then it is available programmatically even when not on-screen. 18:25:00 4. Previously rendered items can continue to be rendered alongside other 18:25:02 items in the *conditional content stack* unless the user agent can 18:25:04 detect a mutual exclusion. 18:25:06 Level AA: 18:25:08 5. The user can set preferences for which items in a *conditional 18:25:10 content stack* are rendered by default. 18:25:12 6. The user is alerted to the presence of non-rendered items in the 18:25:14 *conditional content stack* that are encoded in *technologies* that the 18:25:16 user agent supports. 18:25:18 Level AAA: 18:27:15 If 2 audios and one is louder than the first, you could run into problems 18:27:55 JA: State generally and the work in specific case 18:28:26 Action JR: Work on 2.3 proposal to make provision 2 more general - not just visual 18:29:05 3. Should be in DOM even when not rendered - or in a11y API 18:29:28 Action JR: Check out "available programmatically " to see if we have a defn 18:29:39 programatically should include accessibility APIs 18:31:11 4. KF: Should show original content plus conditional at the sam time 18:32:44 be able to render each of the items at request - but need to be able to see simultaneously sometimes like video and caption 18:33:36 basic sound track plus audio description - timed to play at the same time - but two different language sound track would be mutually exclusive 18:33:45 need to identify which is mutually exclusiv 18:34:25 JF: maybe rules of thumb about mutually exclusive 18:34:35 sorry JR: 18:35:20 5. For double AA - user specifies preferences 18:36:14 single A is query, double AA inform immediately 18:38:17 JR: Please send any further thoughts to the list 18:39:01 KF: Have a question for the WG... 18:39:42 KF: On Monday Microsoft and other companies announced Accessibility Interoperability Alliance 18:40:16 http://www.accessinteropalliance.org/newsevents/pr121007.html 18:40:47 KF: Some different projects...varying degree of relation to browser... 18:41:10 KF: But curious about group looking a keyboard shortcuts 18:41:42 KF: Should we be looking at what that group has to say? 18:42:21 KF: What does group think about this? 18:42:48 CL: These things going beyond Web 18:43:25 JA: I should take it to CG 18:44:00 * Consistent keyboard access. Developing a set of keyboard shortcuts to provide consistent behavior to users of assistive technology products in any Web browser 18:44:02 * Interoperability of accessibility APIs. Modifying and/or extending existing accessibility models (Microsoft UI Automation, IAccessible2 and others) to improve the interoperability and exchange of information between IT and assistive technology (AT) products 18:44:03 * UI Automation extensions. Adding features and capabilities to support additional rich document scenarios, address new Web scenarios and more. 18:44:05 * Accessible Rich Internet Applications Suite (ARIA) mapping through UI Automation. Designing the mapping of rich Web accessibility information through UI Automation to ensure maximum value for AT products and, 18:44:59 KFord has joined #ua 18:45:56 CL: Interesting announcement...e.g. refers to iaccessible2 and also lots of PF stuff 18:46:28 Here's a description of the keyboard project. 18:46:30 • Consistent keyboard access. Developing a set of keyboard shortcuts to provide consistent behavior to users of assistive technology products in any Web 18:46:30 browser 18:46:51 JA: THis group should at least keep track of what's going on. 18:47:24 Kelly, are you on the group? 18:47:25 KF: No someone else from IE...but coordinate with them. 18:48:11 JA: Noticing no unix, linux in membership and neither is Freedom Scientific 18:48:22 JA: Thanks 18:48:36 No IBM yet 18:48:37 Action JA: Ping CG and PF about AIA. 18:49:47 JA: Judy interested in putting out Public WG ... 18:50:06 JA: Might be a way of stimulating participation, comments 18:50:19 CL: Have we touched every checkpoint yet? 18:50:26 JA: Sopme yes, some no. 18:51:19 JA: OK so perhaps for next meeting when we meet next... 18:51:45 CL: Available on Jan. 3rd, but not 10th then onward 18:52:02 KF: Available quite a bit 18:52:13 JA: OK next meeting on Jan. 10th 18:52:37 JA: Or... 18:52:44 JA: Let's meet next week 18:53:47 JR: Could publish in Jan. with proviso that we are looking for participation 18:54:07 -JR 18:54:15 KF: Right and looking for big gaps 18:54:38 JR - we lost you on the call 18:54:52 Hello? 18:54:57 we can't hear you 18:55:05 +[IPcaller] 18:55:17 now we can hear you. 18:56:09 JA: My understanding is that Editor's drafts is for what's going in...and wiki is for issues... 18:56:22 CL: Let's bring in issues styled as issues in box etc. 18:56:49 KF: Think we are ready to put our ideas out there 18:57:01 CL: But people haven't read yet 18:57:42 Action JR: Check when publishing moratoria are 18:59:10 JA: We will meet on Dec 20th 18:59:38 -cklaws 19:00:45 -KFord 19:23:18 -[IPcaller] 19:23:26 -AllanJ 19:23:27 WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended 19:23:28 Attendees were AllanJ, KFord, JR, cklaws, [IPcaller] 19:25:22 RRSAgent, make minutes 19:25:22 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-minutes.html Jan 19:25:35 RRSAgent, set logs public 19:25:43 Zakim, bye 19:25:43 Zakim has left #ua 19:25:49 RRSAgent, bye 19:25:49 I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-actions.rdf : 19:25:49 ACTION: JR to Review WCAG 2.0 LC [1] 19:25:49 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-irc#T18-10-03 19:25:49 ACTION: JA to Review WCAG 2.0 LC [2] 19:25:49 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-irc#T18-10-10 19:25:49 ACTION: CL to Review WCAG 2.0 LC [3] 19:25:49 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-irc#T18-10-14 19:25:49 ACTION: JR to Look into "denial of Service" issue re IBM [4] 19:25:49 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-irc#T18-18-08 19:25:49 ACTION: JR to Work on 2.3 proposal to make provision 2 more general - not just visual [5] 19:25:49 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-irc#T18-28-26 19:25:49 ACTION: JR to Check out "available programmatically " to see if we have a defn [6] 19:25:49 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-irc#T18-29-28 19:25:49 ACTION: JA to Ping CG and PF about AIA. [7] 19:25:49 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-irc#T18-48-37 19:25:49 ACTION: JR to Check when publishing moratoria are [8] 19:25:49 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/13-ua-irc#T18-57-42