IRC log of forms on 2007-12-12
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- Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0017.html
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- Chair: John
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- Scribe: Leigh
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- scribenick: klotz
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- Regrets: MarkB, Charlie, Steven
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- John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0017.html
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- 15:59:58 [wellsk]
- zakim, who is on?
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- I don't understand your question, wellsk.
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see John_Boyer, [IBM]
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- zakim, code?
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- On IRC I see Nick, unl, Roger, jturner, wellsk, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, markbirbeck, trackbot-ng
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- the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Roger
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- zakim, [IBM] is wellsk
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- +wellsk; got it
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- sorry, unl, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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- zakim ??P8 is unl
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- zakim, ??P8 is unl
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- +unl; got it
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- hey nick, how do you know?
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- +Leigh_Klotz
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- you just joined after keith
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- zakim, Roger has Rafael
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- raman it is keith
- 16:05:12 [John_Boyer]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0017.html
- 16:05:27 [Nick]
- John, you are all static
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0015.html
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0012.html
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- Topic: Access Control WD Review
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- 28<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0015.html>
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- klotz: It will affect us, it solves security problems with GET, PUT
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- klotz: Lets you configure what resources can be reached from this resource, using HTTP headers and PI's
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- klotz: It looks a bit weak, and will not enable mashups, because these others URI's need to specify what is allowed
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- klotz: We could ask if they use XForms as a test case
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- klotz: I want some input from implementers, bcz I'm not a real expert on this
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- klotz: They are moving forward fast, so the time to respond is limited
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- klotz: the problem is that the client checks the security, no tickets, tokens, so it is weak
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- john: how can they increase their security
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- klotz: I don't want to comment on this, it seems that this is what they want to solve
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- klotz: XForms implementations should check if they could implement it and give feedback
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- -Raman
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- klotz: explains how it works
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- klotz: before a POST you do a get to check security
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- john: what if the server doesn't implement the GET
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- klotz: then you can not access this resource
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- john: do they only check if you try to cross a domain boundary
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- klotz: yes indeed
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- John: If we implement it we should do a GET before a POST
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- John: So we need to consider it in a future version in the submission model
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- klotz: we need ensure that if it is done, we can incorporate it
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- John: Do you want to post your e-mail
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- klotz: I want an implementer to look at it
- 16:28:01 [Nick]
- klotz: I think MarkB or Aaron should look at it
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- John: We could ask Aaron to join a future call
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- klotz: I will send a response and say that we are working on it
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- john: Would you cross post it to www-forms
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- klotz: What I have small points not appropriate for ww-forms
- 16:31:42 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0008.html
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- Topic: Future Features
- 16:32:33 [klotz]
- ACTION: Leigh Klotz to post updated message on access-control to comments list, and indicate that we continue to study the isssue. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0012.html
- 16:32:33 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-436 - Klotz to post updated message on access-control to comments list, and indicate that we continue to study the isssue. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0012.html [on Leigh Klotz, Jr. - due 2007-12-19].
- 16:33:07 [klotz]
- Thanks, Nick.
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- 16:36:34 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms-11-req/
- 17:01:37 [jturner]
- schnitz here, belated regrets, and happy X-mas
- 17:02:50 [klotz]
- RESOLUTION: We add something like "simplify and provide use cases for UI events and model events" on the list of five things for XForms 1.1.
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see jturner
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- On IRC I see John_Boyer, klotz, Nick, unl, Roger, jturner, RRSAgent, Zakim, trackbot-ng
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- Attendees were John_Boyer, wellsk, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, unl, Leigh_Klotz, +34.91.2.aaaa, +49.308.3.aabb, jturner, ebruchez, Rafael, Raman
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/12-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
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- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/12/12-forms-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Leigh Klotz to post updated message on access-control to comments list, and indicate that we continue to study the isssue. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Dec/0012.html [1]
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