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15:43:31 <csma> topic: 4 December RIF telecon, agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Dec/0001.html
15:44:37 <csma> zakim, this will be rif
15:44:37 <Zakim> "rif" matches SW_RIF()11:00AM, and Team_(rifc)15:29Z, csma
15:45:08 <csma> Meeting: RIF telecon 4 December 07
15:45:26 <csma> Chair: Chris Welty
15:45:45 <csma> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Dec/0001.html
15:46:00 <csma> Scribe: Adrian Giurca
15:46:13 <csma> scribenick: agiurca
15:46:30 <csma> topic #rif 4 December RIF telecon, agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Dec/0001.html
15:46:50 <csma> csma has changed the topic to: 4 December RIF telecon, agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Dec/0001.html
15:46:57 <csma> zakim, list agenda
15:46:57 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
15:47:21 <csma> agenda+ Admin
15:47:37 <csma> agenda+ liaisons
15:47:42 <csma> agenda+ F2F
15:47:56 <csma> agenda+ issue 42
15:48:25 <csma> agenda+ issue 40 (builtins)
15:48:53 <csma> agenda+ issue 44 (Named arguments Uniterm)
15:49:05 <csma> agenda+ issue 45 (lists)
15:57:53 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has now started
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16:01:12 <Harold> zakim, [NRCC] is me
16:01:12 <Zakim> +Harold; got it
16:01:14 <Zakim> + +1.646.842.aabb
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16:01:39 <Zakim> +[IBM]
16:01:46 <ChrisW> zakim, ibm is temporarily me
16:01:46 <Zakim> +ChrisW; got it
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16:02:43 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:02:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Mike_Dean, Harold, josb, ??P7, +1.646.842.aabb (muted), ChrisW
16:02:48 <Zakim> +[IBM]
16:02:56 <csma> zakim, ??P7 is me
16:02:57 <Zakim> +[TU-Cottbus]
16:02:58 <ChrisW> zakim, aabb is LeoraMorgenstern
16:03:00 <StellaMitchell> zakim, [ibm] is temporarily me
16:03:00 <Zakim> +csma; got it
16:03:02 <Zakim> +LeoraMorgenstern; got it
16:03:03 <Zakim> +??P24
16:03:05 <Zakim> +Dave_Reynolds (was ??P24)
16:03:06 <Zakim> +StellaMitchell; got it
16:03:14 <agiurca> zakim, TU-Cottbus is me
16:03:14 <Zakim> +agiurca; got it
16:03:23 <agiurca> zakim, mute me
16:03:23 <Zakim> agiurca should now be muted
16:03:27 <csma> zakim, mute me
16:03:27 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
16:03:27 <ChrisW> Scribe: agiurca
16:03:41 <agiurca> yes
16:03:48 <agiurca> zakim, unmute me
16:03:48 <Zakim> agiurca should no longer be muted
16:04:01 <Zakim> +??P13
16:04:02 <agiurca> zakim, mute me
16:04:02 <Zakim> agiurca should now be muted
16:04:10 <IgorMozetic> zakim, ??P13 is me
16:04:11 <Zakim> +IgorMozetic; got it
16:04:18 <IgorMozetic> zakim, mute me
16:04:18 <Zakim> IgorMozetic should now be muted
16:04:20 <Zakim> +[LMU]
16:04:29 <csma> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Dec/0001.html
16:04:47 <ChrisW> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Nov/att-0084/2007-11-27-rif-minutes-edited.htm
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16:05:22 <josb> q+
16:05:26 <Zakim> +Hassan_Ait-Kaci
16:05:27 <csma> actually http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2007Dec/att-0005/2007-11-27-rif-minutes-revised.htm
16:05:31 <agiurca> ChrisW: Minutes of last telecon, approved
16:05:32 <ChrisW> ack josb
16:05:41 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:05:41 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
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16:06:28 <ChrisW> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:06:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see Mike_Dean, Harold, josb, csma, LeoraMorgenstern (muted), ChrisW, StellaMitchell, agiurca (muted), Dave_Reynolds, IgorMozetic (muted), PaulaP (muted),
16:06:31 <Zakim> ... Hassan_Ait-Kaci
16:06:38 <Zakim> +??P30
16:06:48 <agiurca> csma: Axel has a formal action (not official) to send a reply to a public comment
16:06:54 <Zakim> +??P32
16:07:06 <hak> Zakim, ??P32 is me
16:07:06 <Zakim> +hak; got it
16:07:27 <Zakim> -hak
16:07:43 <agiurca>  AxelPoleres: I did not answer yet to the public question but I will do it immediate
16:08:27 <josb> Axel was not there last time
16:08:37 <Zakim> +Sandro
16:10:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:10:52 <Harold> If it's only one week till MichaelK is back, then we might wait.
16:11:24 <agiurca> ChrisW: Jos, can you reply to the Peter email?
16:11:40 <Harold> q+
16:12:03 <agiurca> JosB: I can answer to some questions but many of them are related to design questions (i.e. Michael and Harold)
16:12:51 <ChrisW> ack h
16:13:06 <csma> zakim, mute me
16:13:06 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
16:13:23 <agiurca> ChrisW: Move to next agenda: Liaison
16:13:24 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
16:13:24 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from csma]
16:13:30 <ChrisW> zakim, close item 1
16:13:30 <Zakim> agendum 1, Admin, closed
16:13:31 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:13:32 <Zakim> 2. liaisons [from csma]
16:13:39 <josb> q+
16:13:41 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:13:41 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
16:13:43 <ChrisW> zakim, take up item 3
16:13:43 <Zakim> agendum 3. "F2F" taken up [from csma]
16:13:45 <PaulVincent> Liaison: might be of interest: OMG are holding a vocabulary management meeting next week
16:14:49 <agiurca> csma: Next F2F in Paris
16:15:08 <ChrisW> Feb 21-22 next F2F
16:17:45 <agiurca> ChrisW: We have to vote for Paris/Galway location 
16:19:36 <agiurca> JosB: Which thinks will be sponsored by ILOG
16:19:59 <agiurca> csma: I have to complete with other info (such as dinner etc)
16:20:20 <agiurca> sandro: Do we have special rates for hotels?
16:20:39 <agiurca> csma: I have to check the rates too
16:21:38 <Zakim> +Gary_Hallmark
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16:22:23 <josb> q?
16:22:35 <ChrisW> ack jos
16:23:06 <AxelPolleres> BTW: reply mail to public-rif-comments is sent.
16:23:29 <csma> action: axel to reply to public-rif-comment
16:23:30 <rifbot> Created ACTION-388 - Reply to public-rif-comment [on Axel Polleres - due 2007-12-11].
16:24:35 <ChrisW> action Jos de Bruijn to make a pass on the wiki page for responses to public comments
16:24:44 <ChrisW> action: Jos de Bruijn to make a pass on the wiki page for responses to public comments
16:24:44 <rifbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Jos
16:24:44 <rifbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jderoo, jdebruij)
16:24:55 <ChrisW> action: Bruijn to make a pass on the wiki page for responses to public comments
16:24:55 <rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Bruijn
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16:25:34 <ChrisW> action: jos_de_bruijn to make a pass on the wiki page for responses to public comments
16:25:34 <rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jos_de_bruijn
16:25:42 <ChrisW> rifbot, you are an idiot
16:26:08 <ChrisW> action: jdebruijn to make a pass on the wiki page for responses to public comments
16:26:08 <rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jdebruijn
16:26:08 <Zakim> + +1.631.833.aacc
16:26:14 <ChrisW> action: jdebruij to make a pass on the wiki page for responses to public comments
16:26:14 <rifbot> Created ACTION-389 - Make a pass on the wiki page for responses to public comments [on Jos de Bruijn - due 2007-12-11].
16:26:25 <MichaelKifer> zakim, aacc is me
16:26:26 <Zakim> +MichaelKifer; got it
16:26:34 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
16:26:34 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
16:26:57 <ChrisW> zakim, take up item 4
16:26:57 <Zakim> agendum 4. "issue 42" taken up [from csma]
16:27:35 <agiurca> ChrisW: Next item: Issue 42 (rif:text)
16:27:43 <csma> action: christian to finish F2F9 proposal
16:27:43 <rifbot> Created ACTION-390 - Finish F2F9 proposal [on Christian de Sainte Marie - due 2007-12-11].
16:28:00 <csma> action: to axel to finish F2F9 proposal
16:28:00 <rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
16:28:28 <csma> action: AxelPolleres to finish F2F9 proposal
16:28:28 <rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - AxelPolleres
16:28:51 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
16:28:51 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
16:29:00 <ChrisW> q?
16:29:50 <csma> action: apol to finish F2F9 proposal
16:29:50 <rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - apol
16:30:09 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
16:30:09 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
16:30:25 <ChrisW> action: axel to finish f2f9 proposal
16:30:25 <rifbot> Created ACTION-391 - Finish f2f9 proposal [on Axel Polleres - due 2007-12-11].
16:30:50 <ChrisW> action: sandro to set up wbs for f2f9 on friday
16:30:50 <rifbot> Created ACTION-392 - Set up wbs for f2f9 on friday [on Sandro Hawke - due 2007-12-11].
16:34:50 <josb> issue 42: Conceptually a text constant is a pair of a unicode string and a language tag.
16:34:52 <josb> Currently we handle this by means of a rif:text datatype. By virtue of the
16:34:54 <josb> current definition of a datatype that means it needs a simple lexical space
16:34:55 <josb> which is currently described as "string@lang". 
16:34:57 <josb> However, in the XML representation we will use the xml:lang attribute to carry
16:34:59 <josb> the language code and the string will be conveyed in the element content. So the
16:35:00 <josb> "string@lang" lexical form is not explicitly part of the XML representation and
16:35:02 <josb> a RIF processor, working from XML, would not be expected to explicitly
16:35:04 <josb> materialize the "string@lang" lexical form at any stage.
16:35:05 <josb> It is unclear  whether this is a problem, or a possible confusion that needs to
16:35:06 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
16:35:07 <josb> be explained further or a non-issue.
16:35:08 <josb> We are raising it as an issue to record that we have thought about it and may
16:35:10 <josb> need to examine it further in the future but it is not something we currently
16:35:11 <josb> regard as a barrier to at least the next working draft.
16:36:04 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
16:36:22 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:36:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see Harold, josb, csma, LeoraMorgenstern (muted), ChrisW, StellaMitchell, agiurca (muted), Dave_Reynolds, IgorMozetic (muted), PaulaP (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci,
16:36:26 <Zakim> ... AxelPolleres, Sandro, PaulVincent, Gary_Hallmark, MichaelKifer (muted), Mike_Dean
16:36:54 <csma> Adrian, are scribing off-line?
16:37:27 <agiurca> No comments of Sandro regarding rif:text issue
16:38:37 <sandro> which is to say -- I'm not really happy with this solution -- just using the mapping table -- but I don't see any serious harm from it, so I wont object.
16:38:41 <ChrisW> PROPOSED: Resolve Issue 42 such that the relationship between the xml syntax treatment of constants and the presentation treatment of constants is specified in the syntax mapping table
16:39:50 <agiurca> sandro: I think the issue should be closed as Chris proposed
16:39:59 <sandro> -0: I wont object
16:40:16 <sandro> (abstain)
16:40:22 <DaveReynolds> (abstain)
16:40:28 <josb> (abstain)
16:40:58 <agiurca> No other objections
16:41:03 <ChrisW> RESOLVED: Resolve Issue 42 such that the relationship between the xml syntax treatment of constants and the presentation treatment of constants is specified in the syntax mapping table
16:41:15 <ChrisW> zakim, next item
16:41:15 <Zakim> agendum 2. "liaisons" taken up [from csma]
16:41:22 <ChrisW> zakim, close item 2
16:41:22 <Zakim> agendum 2, liaisons, closed
16:41:24 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:41:25 <Zakim> 3. F2F [from csma]
16:41:39 <ChrisW> zakim, take up item 5
16:41:39 <Zakim> agendum 5. "issue 40 (builtins)" taken up [from csma]
16:42:03 <agiurca> ChrisW: What is the issue around builtins
16:42:22 <agiurca> csma: A discussion about the mechanism to identify builtins
16:43:00 <josb> q+
16:43:14 <PaulaP> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/List_of_BLD_built-ins
16:43:31 <PaulaP> lists also a couple of issues to be discussed
16:44:17 <agiurca> seems that builtins will be identified by IRI
16:44:44 <AxelPolleres> I was offline the last few days, but I also feel unease with it!
16:44:50 <agiurca> josb: I would object on that. We need syntactic distinction between builtins and other predicates
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16:45:01 <AxelPolleres> q+
16:45:20 <csma> ack josb
16:47:08 <csma> ack axel
16:47:25 <agiurca> AxelPolleres: We need distinguish them syntactically
16:47:29 <josb> me too
16:47:31 <josb> yes
16:47:43 <josb> q+
16:47:58 <sandro> +1 Axel, a builtin should be part of a dialect, syntactically.
16:48:29 <AxelPolleres> ... and a dialect should also define under which binding patterns they are usable.
16:49:16 <PaulaP> +1 for built-ins as part of a dialect
16:49:33 <ChrisW> q?
16:49:42 <AxelPolleres> sorry, as I said, I was mainly offline since last week and only reutnred yesterday night.
16:49:43 <agiurca> csma: I would expect people to react to the emails concerning a specific subject
16:49:44 <ChrisW> ack j
16:50:20 <csma> q+
16:50:33 <agiurca> josb: They say (csma) that chould be a fixed list of builtins but I'm in favor of an open list
16:50:37 <IgorMozetic> +1 for Josb: having an open ended list of buildins
16:50:49 <AxelPolleres> the list IS extensible by dialect extensibility... why would we want two extensibility mechanisms?!?
16:50:55 <csma> May I suggest that we use two different names: builtin for what is fixed and belongs to a dialect
16:51:03 <AxelPolleres> q+
16:51:10 <csma> and eg external call for what is open and free
16:51:14 <csma> ack csma
16:51:38 <agiurca> csma: I'm in favor of an open list of builtins
16:52:11 <agiurca> csma: The dialect should also have a fixed list of builtins part of it
16:52:22 <PaulaP> +1 for csma's point
16:52:31 <ChrisW> ack c
16:52:32 <sandro> +1 csma: fixed list of bultins, open list of external calls
16:52:34 <ChrisW> ack ax
16:53:14 <MichaelKifer> q+
16:54:01 <sandro> +1 Axel: it's important for a receiver to know whether a given function is expected to be built-in or not.
16:56:15 <agiurca> csma: A specific dialect has a specific list of builtins which are external calls necessary to be implemented
16:56:24 <josb> q+
16:56:41 <agiurca> csma: but out of that there might be other external calls 
16:56:51 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
16:56:51 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
16:57:22 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
16:57:22 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
16:57:23 <ChrisW> ack m
16:57:25 <ChrisW> ack j
16:57:26 <MichaelKifer> q-
16:57:30 <agiurca> MichaelKifer: I propose an action to JosB or Axel to clarify addressing of builtins
16:57:32 <Harold> Where the IRI of a 'builtin' points (to a RIF dialect or to some external library), would show what kind of 'builtin' it is.
16:58:55 <AxelPolleres> just to make clear: I do NOT want 2 different forms of built-ins/external function calls. I was rather suggesting that only the ones defined in the dialect should be allowed. If you need more, extend the dialect.
17:00:28 <csma> q?
17:00:33 <csma> q+
17:00:39 <Harold> With IRIs as the distinguishing element, we would not need other syntactic means.
17:00:42 <josb> q+
17:00:52 <josb> q-
17:01:11 <csma> ack csma
17:01:18 <csma> q+
17:01:55 <csma> ack csma
17:02:36 <agiurca> Recall the MichaelKifer proposal: an action  to clarify addressing of builtins
17:03:10 <AxelPolleres> As long as this is not subject to interchange, all is fine :-)
17:03:52 <sandro> The question is:  do app-specific parts of a system need to be part of a new dialect?
17:04:03 <csma> If you do not accept that some elements required for an interchange will be agreed on out of band, you will have very little actual interchanges
17:04:21 <sandro> +1 Axel: app-specific parts should be part of a dialect definition, if you want to interchange them.
17:04:53 <sandro> The question, csma, is whether that agreement is equal to agreeing to some dialect.
17:05:25 <agiurca> ChrisW: We should allow people to extends their list of builtins
17:05:44 <josb> q+
17:05:44 <sandro> +1 Chris: We all agree that folks should be able to extend the list of builtins, we just disagree about whether to call that new agreement is called a 'dialect'.
17:05:56 <agiurca> csma: We need that two parties can extend the fixed list of builtins
17:06:53 <sandro> -1 csma: The label 'dialect' matters because it forbids out of band agreement.        [ I don't see that at all. ]
17:07:27 <sandro> Chris: (1) agrrement to have call some-uri
17:07:33 <csma> To Sandro: that's what I have been saying all the time. That's why I think that I disagree with Axel
17:07:46 <sandro> Chris: (2) the list of external calls specified by a dialect are "the builtins"
17:07:49 <josb> q-
17:08:18 <sandro> Chris: (3) you should be allowed to extend that list among consenting parties -- BUT we're not agreed at the moment about whether to call that extension a new dialect.
17:08:43 <AxelPolleres> option a) we allow metadata to say "ruleset R is dialect D + builtin (X) which semantics is defined somewhere else"
17:09:09 <AxelPolleres> b) we only allow metadata to say "ruleset R is in dialect D' "
17:09:43 <Harold> Since different RIF dialects D1, ..., Dn should be allowed to share a given set of builtins B, D1, ..., Dn should point to B a la D1->B, ..., Dn->B, rather than 'adding' B into D1, ..., Dn as new dialects a la D1+B, ..., Dn+B.
17:10:51 <AxelPolleres> but then we agree on a dialect? right? and whether we decide to writye down the dialect and publish it is our own business.
17:13:23 <sandro> Chris: (4) We're also not agreed about whether we need a formal mechanism about extending the list of builtins.
17:13:30 <agiurca> ChrisW: We have to close this issue
17:13:46 <sandro> s/have to/can/
17:13:50 <josb> issue 40: At the moment the WG has agreed to support "builtins", in particular those
17:13:51 <josb> defined for supported XS datatypes, however the syntactic and semantic treatment
17:13:53 <josb> of builtins has not been made clear.  
17:13:54 <josb> One issue is how they will relate to functions in the syntax (e.g. are builtins
17:13:56 <josb> just logic functions?).  
17:13:57 <josb> Another issue is whether builtins will be sensitive to "order" as they are in
17:13:59 <josb> query languages and production rules; in these cases, the order is understood to
17:14:00 <josb> be required to "bind" variables before the builtin is called.
17:14:21 <agiurca> csma: this discussion is just a small part of the Issue 40
17:14:57 <josb> right
17:15:35 <agiurca> sandro please write your proposal on iRC
17:15:45 <sandro> PROPOSED: The XML syntax for BLD will distinguish between external calls (including builtins) and logic functions
17:15:57 <agiurca> thanks. I did not catch it
17:16:31 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
17:16:31 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
17:16:57 <agiurca> MichaelKifer: We need a concrete proposal from Axel.  
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17:17:40 <sandro> csma: there was one proposal that the use of URIs be the distinguishing factor, but now we see that wont do.
17:18:27 <josb> q+
17:19:24 <csma> <op>
17:19:25 <csma>    <Const type="rif:iri">
17:19:25 <csma>       http://www.w3.org/2005/xpath-functions/#dateTime
17:19:25 <csma>    </Const>
17:19:25 <csma> </op>
17:21:03 <AxelPolleres> I take an action to review Michael's two proposals again and suggest something else if needed. My alrernative would be something like <op>  <ExtFunc type="rif:iri">http://www.w3.org/2005/xpath-functions/#dateTime</Const> </op>
17:21:16 <AxelPolleres> oops.
17:21:35 <AxelPolleres> <op>  <ExtFunc type="rif:iri">http://www.w3.org/2005/xpath-functions/#dateTime</ExtFunc></op>
17:21:54 <agiurca> MichaelKifer: We have to see more proposals
17:22:52 <josb> q-
17:23:17 <PaulaP> I think this is about binding patterns
17:23:18 <csma> action: apollere2 to review the discussion about external calls, including Michael's 2 proposals
17:23:18 <rifbot> Created ACTION-393 - Review the discussion about external calls, including Michael\'s 2 proposals [on Axel Polleres - due 2007-12-11].
17:26:15 <Harold> Order in conjunctions: And(?x=3  add(?r ?x ?x)) vs. And(add(?r ?x ?x) ?x=3).
17:28:33 <agiurca> MichaelKifer: Don't mention nothing about errors. They should be left to implementations
17:31:54 <PaulaP> there are also no binding patterns specified in SWRL
17:33:17 <AxelPolleres>  paulap, so I can write:   ?X ex:gt ?Y <- ?X < ?Y, the question is how this shall be implemented.
17:33:29 <Harold> Let's use "mode" rather than "binding pattern".
17:34:06 <csma> zakim, pick a victim
17:34:06 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Mike_Dean
17:34:15 <Harold> (otherwise confusion risk between "binding" and "binding pattern").
17:34:52 <Harold> Re Mediawiki: We used advanced features for formulas etc.
17:35:10 <csma> Mike, will you be able to scribe next Tuesday?
17:35:38 <PaulaP> (still, it is a good idea not to discuss 'modes'...we just need to specify the meaning of a built-in, not how it should be implemented)
17:35:43 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:35:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Harold, josb, csma, LeoraMorgenstern (muted), ChrisW, StellaMitchell, agiurca (muted), Dave_Reynolds, IgorMozetic (muted), PaulaP (muted), Hassan_Ait-Kaci,
17:35:46 <Zakim> ... AxelPolleres, Sandro, PaulVincent, Gary_Hallmark, MichaelKifer, Mike_Dean
17:36:05 <AxelPolleres> I need to go ,sorry
17:36:31 <Harold> Since we have many other things to change, there would an increased need for version maintenance.
17:36:32 <PaulVincent> bye
17:36:35 <Zakim> -IgorMozetic
17:36:37 <Zakim> -Dave_Reynolds
17:36:38 <Zakim> -Hassan_Ait-Kaci
17:36:38 <agiurca> zakim, unmute me
17:36:39 <Zakim> -PaulVincent
17:36:40 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
17:36:41 <PaulaP> bye
17:36:42 <Zakim> agiurca should no longer be muted
17:36:45 <Zakim> -josb
17:36:46 <Zakim> -StellaMitchell
17:36:47 <Zakim> -PaulaP
17:36:58 <csma> rrsagent, make record public
17:37:06 <csma> rrsagent, make minutes
17:37:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/04-rif-minutes.html csma
17:37:22 <agiurca> zakim, mute me
17:37:22 <Zakim> agiurca should now be muted
17:38:04 <csma> adrian, see the link above? It gets you to the draft of the minutes
17:38:23 <csma> Youjust have to edit it and publish the thus obtained minutes
17:38:42 <csma> Adrian?
17:39:10 <agiurca> no
17:39:18 <agiurca> zakim, unmute me
17:39:18 <Zakim> agiurca should no longer be muted
17:39:49 <ChrisW> zakim, list attendees
17:39:49 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Mike_Dean, +39.047.1.aaaa, Harold, josb, +1.646.842.aabb, ChrisW, csma, LeoraMorgenstern, Dave_Reynolds, StellaMitchell, agiurca,
17:39:53 <Zakim> ... IgorMozetic, PaulaP, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, AxelPolleres, hak, Sandro, PaulVincent, Gary_Hallmark, +1.631.833.aacc, MichaelKifer
17:40:10 <csma> rrsagent, make minutes
17:40:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/12/04-rif-minutes.html csma
17:40:45 <Zakim> -agiurca
17:45:02 <Zakim> -Harold
17:45:03 <Zakim> -MichaelKifer
17:46:15 <Zakim> -Sandro
17:46:16 <Zakim> -ChrisW
17:46:18 <Zakim> -csma
17:46:20 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
17:46:24 <Zakim> -Gary_Hallmark
17:46:35 <Zakim> -LeoraMorgenstern
17:46:37 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
17:46:38 <Zakim> Attendees were Mike_Dean, +39.047.1.aaaa, Harold, josb, +1.646.842.aabb, ChrisW, csma, LeoraMorgenstern, Dave_Reynolds, StellaMitchell, agiurca, IgorMozetic, PaulaP,
17:46:41 <Zakim> ... Hassan_Ait-Kaci, AxelPolleres, hak, Sandro, PaulVincent, Gary_Hallmark, +1.631.833.aacc, MichaelKifer