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13:16:38 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
13:16:38 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
13:16:44 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
13:16:48 <shadi> chair: Shadi
13:17:32 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Nov/0021.html
13:17:58 <shadi> agenda+ Debrief from W3C Technical Plenary week
13:18:03 <shadi> agenda+ updated Editor's draft for HTTP Vocabulary in RDF
13:18:15 <shadi> agenda+ draft proposal for "Content-in-RDF" (working title)
13:18:26 <shadi> agenda+ update on "Pointer Methods in RDF" document
13:31:05 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
13:31:06 <Zakim> +Shadi
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13:37:00 <Zakim> +Daniel
13:37:17 <shadi> zakim, daniel is really Johannes
13:37:17 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named 'daniel'
13:37:32 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:37:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Shadi, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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13:37:42 <shadi> zakim, klaus is really Johannes
13:37:42 <Zakim> +Johannes; got it
13:38:32 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
13:38:53 <shadi> regrets: CarlosV
13:39:49 <shadi> scribe: Johannes
13:39:53 <shadi> scribenick: JohannesK
13:39:56 <shadi> agenda?
13:40:35 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:40:35 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Debrief from W3C Technical Plenary week" taken up [from shadi]
13:42:18 <JohannesK> saz: WAI EOWG overlap of mobileOK and WCAG
13:42:38 <JohannesK> saz: we may want to ask them to review EARL
13:42:56 <JohannesK> s/EARL/EARL Guide/
13:43:46 <JohannesK> saz: topics for TPAC day: HTML5, namespaces, openness, view on W3C from outside
13:44:41 <JohannesK> jk: audio recordings from TPAC day available
13:44:54 <JohannesK> saz: and transcriptions are being refined
13:45:44 <JohannesK> saz: POWDER WG want to add EARL example in POWDER document
13:47:00 <JohannesK> saz: ATAG WG - relation between authoring and evaluation, definition of manual/semiautomatic/automatic (we may want to do some minor changes here)
13:47:55 <JohannesK> saz: ATAG - scope of authoring tool (everything is an AT)
13:48:17 <shadi> action: SAZ send description and draft response on POWDER to ERT WG mailing list
13:48:49 <shadi> action: SAZ send background information and notes from meeting with ATAG to ERT WG mailing list
13:50:26 <JohannesK> saz: next TP is planned for early November 2008 in Paris; possible ERT F2F?
13:50:51 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:50:51 <Zakim> agendum 2. "updated Editor's draft for HTTP Vocabulary in RDF" taken up [from shadi]
13:51:10 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Oct/0015
13:51:52 <JohannesK> saz: any comments?
13:54:09 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/WD-HTTP-in-RDF-20070914
13:55:44 <JohannesK> saz: needs some cleaning (saz volunteers)
13:56:12 <JohannesK> saz: apart from that looks quite stable, examples are helpful
14:02:04 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:02:04 <Zakim> agendum 3. "draft proposal for "Content-in-RDF" (working title)" taken up [from shadi]
14:02:18 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2007Nov/0013
14:02:21 <JohannesK> jk: HTTP-in-RDF has a "stable" structure using one namespace, but references resources from several files (statusCodes, headers, methods)
14:03:08 <JohannesK> saz: Content-in-RDF is only a sceleton right now; focus on the concept
14:03:53 <JohannesK> ci: 2.1: What is "content"?
14:04:28 <JohannesK> ci: needs definition, culd be tricky
14:04:35 <JohannesK> s/culd/could/
14:05:27 <JohannesK> ci: Pointers vocabulary has a concept of snippets, but maybe snippets better fit in Content-in-RDF
14:05:50 <JohannesK> saz: attempts to define "content" fail miserably :-(
14:06:42 <JohannesK> saz: real meaning depends on the context
14:06:57 <JohannesK> saz: better use examples
14:08:22 <JohannesK> ci: snippets in Pointers could be dropped and Content could be used instead
14:09:46 <JohannesK> ci: could we subclass Content for DOM node uses? There was a proposal of DOM-in-RDF.
14:11:38 <shadi> DOMContent Class
14:14:12 <shadi> subclass of XMLContent?
14:15:38 <JohannesK> ci: DOM is not necessarily XML
14:18:02 <JohannesK> saz: we need to explore the idea of a DOMContent class
14:18:46 <shadi> action: Johannes explore the idea of an DOMContent Class (as opposed to an DOM-in-RDF)
14:19:17 <JohannesK> jk: it depends on use cases; what we want it to be used for, to look like
14:20:37 <JohannesK> saz: use case: evaluation tool gets DOM from browser, can record DOM for a test result
14:21:21 <JohannesK> saz: another use case: node with ID "bla" causes error
14:21:50 <JohannesK> saz: we may need a lot of properties/classes
14:22:19 <JohannesK> saz: so what is our sope, how far do we want to go?
14:22:40 <JohannesK> ci: use cases must be restricted on Content-in-RDF
14:23:45 <JohannesK> s/sope/scope/
14:24:46 <JohannesK> saz: postpone the scope discussion
14:26:48 <shadi> action: SAZ send two or three use cases for DOM usage as content to the ERT WG mailing list
14:27:04 <JohannesK> jk: I don't think it's DOMContent vs. DOM-in-RDF; maybe DOMContent is a full-blown DOM-in-RDF with some classes being subclasses of Content
14:29:22 <JohannesK> jk: Content-in-RDF is based on Dominique's (DOM's) original proposal
14:29:25 <shadi> "Representations of Content in RDF"
14:29:47 <shadi> "RDF Representations of Content"
14:31:13 <JohannesK> ci: how do we manage namespaces in XMLContent?
14:31:16 <JohannesK> jk: example 2.5
14:31:29 <shadi> action: SAZ send some naming suggestions to improve "Content in RDF" title
14:31:59 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:31:59 <Zakim> agendum 4. "update on "Pointer Methods in RDF" document" taken up [from shadi]
14:32:03 <JohannesK> jk: because xmlRest points to an XMLLiteral, you can declare namespaces
14:33:02 <JohannesK> ci: did some cleaning-up of the schema; think it's quite complete; some things to discuss
14:33:48 <JohannesK> ci: I can post some open issues to the list
14:36:03 <JohannesK> saz: may next meeting next week, but for sure in 2 weeks
14:36:12 <JohannesK> s/may/maybe/
14:36:27 <Zakim> -Johannes
14:36:28 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:36:31 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
14:36:32 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
14:36:34 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Daniel, Johannes, Carlos_Iglesias
14:46:27 <shadi> zakim, bye
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14:46:33 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:46:37 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
14:46:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-er-minutes.html shadi
14:46:46 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:46:51 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
14:46:51 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-er-actions.rdf :
14:46:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ send description and draft response on POWDER to ERT WG mailing list [1]
14:46:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-er-irc#T13-48-17
14:46:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ send background information and notes from meeting with ATAG to ERT WG mailing list [2]
14:46:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-er-irc#T13-48-49
14:46:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Johannes explore the idea of an DOMContent Class (as opposed to an DOM-in-RDF) [3]
14:46:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-er-irc#T14-18-46
14:46:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ send two or three use cases for DOM usage as content to the ERT WG mailing list [4]
14:46:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-er-irc#T14-26-48
14:46:51 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ send some naming suggestions to improve "Content in RDF" title [5]
14:46:51 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/28-er-irc#T14-31-29