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15:54:44 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make log public
15:54:54 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
15:54:59 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
15:55:01 <John_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh
15:55:09 <John_Boyer> Regrets: Joern
15:55:21 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0079.html
15:55:29 <John_Boyer> John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0079.html
15:55:53 <Roger> Rafael also sent Regrets.
15:56:36 <John_Boyer> s/Regrets: Joern/Regrets: Joern, Rafael
15:58:34 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()11:00AM has now started
15:58:41 <Zakim> +wellsk
15:58:47 <Zakim> + +1.250.294.aaaa
15:59:01 <John_Boyer> zakim, I am aaaa
15:59:04 <Zakim> +John_Boyer; got it
15:59:09 <Roger> zakim, code?
15:59:10 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Roger
15:59:18 <Schnitz> Schnitz has joined #forms
15:59:27 <Schnitz> zakim, code?
15:59:27 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz
15:59:47 <unl> unl has joined #forms
16:00:04 <Schnitz> hi uli
16:00:10 <unl> hi
16:00:33 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
16:00:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see wellsk, John_Boyer
16:00:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see unl, Schnitz, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, Roger, markbirbeck, ShaneM, Nick, Steven, trackbot-ng
16:00:34 <Zakim> +??P21
16:00:39 <Roger> zakim, p21 is Roger
16:00:39 <Zakim> sorry, Roger, I do not recognize a party named 'p21'
16:00:48 <Roger> zakim, P21 is Roger
16:00:51 <Zakim> sorry, Roger, I do not recognize a party named 'P21'
16:01:03 <Roger> zakim, ??P21 is Roger
16:01:05 <Zakim> +unl
16:01:19 <Zakim> +Roger; got it
16:01:24 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
16:01:25 <Zakim> + +49.308.3.aabb
16:01:27 <Schnitz> oh
16:01:40 <Schnitz> zakim, +49 is me
16:01:41 <Zakim> sorry, Schnitz, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
16:01:45 <Zakim> +Charles_Wiecha
16:01:49 <CharlieWiecha> CharlieWiecha has joined #forms
16:01:51 <Schnitz> zakim, who is here?
16:01:55 <Zakim> +Schnitz; got it
16:02:05 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
16:02:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see wellsk, John_Boyer, Roger, unl, Schnitz, Charles_Wiecha
16:02:16 <CharlieWiecha> zakim, who is here?
16:02:35 <ebruchez> ebruchez has joined #forms
16:02:37 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted
16:02:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see CharlieWiecha, unl, Schnitz, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, Roger, markbirbeck, ShaneM, Nick, Steven, trackbot-ng
16:02:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see wellsk, John_Boyer, Roger, unl, Schnitz (muted), Charles_Wiecha
16:03:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see ebruchez, CharlieWiecha, unl, Schnitz, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, Roger, markbirbeck, ShaneM, Nick, Steven, trackbot-ng
16:03:45 <unl> zakim, mute me
16:03:54 <Zakim> +??P11
16:04:07 <NickVdB> NickVdB has joined #Forms
16:04:08 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
16:04:21 <NickVdB> zakim, code?
16:04:22 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), NickVdB
16:04:24 <Steven> Happy recent birthday to Sebastian!
16:04:27 <ebruchez> zakim, ??P1 is ebruchez
16:04:28 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
16:04:28 <Blake> Blake has joined #forms
16:04:42 <klotz> klotz has joined #forms
16:05:06 <Zakim> +Blake
16:05:16 <Schnitz> zakim, unmute me
16:05:16 <Zakim> Schnitz should no longer be muted
16:05:23 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:05:25 <Zakim> +Leigh_Klotz
16:05:34 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
16:05:34 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
16:05:36 <Zakim> +Steven
16:05:39 <Zakim> +markbirbeck
16:05:56 <NickVdB> ack, me
16:05:59 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
16:06:02 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted
16:06:24 <John_Boyer> Regrets+MarkS
16:06:35 <NickVdB> zakim, mute me
16:06:35 <Zakim> sorry, NickVdB, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
16:06:40 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0079.html
16:09:14 <klotz> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to ask Mark Seaborne for XForms 1.0 Basic implementation report status.
16:09:14 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-434 - Klotz to ask Mark Seaborne for XForms 1.0 Basic implementation report status. [on Leigh Klotz, Jr. - due 2007-11-28].
16:13:52 <Steven> Thanks!
16:13:55 <Steven> Yes I am
16:14:14 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0075.html
16:14:14 <klotz> ACTION: John Boyer to add example for inputmode to issues list (received indirectly as comment but after last call deadline) and to contact Yam.
16:14:14 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
16:14:14 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
16:14:27 <NickVdB> this is my reply http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0082.html
16:14:36 <NickVdB> If you like I can sumerize
16:15:02 <NickVdB> ack, me
16:16:22 <Schnitz> I would propose extending the existing telcon for an additional half hour, and reducing the FtF meeting to three instead of four
16:16:46 <Steven> +1 on value of FtFs
16:16:55 <Schnitz> +1
16:16:59 <John_Boyer> +1
16:17:02 <CharlieWiecha> +1
16:17:19 <Roger> +2 (Rafa and me)
16:17:23 <wellsk> +1
16:17:45 <unl> +1 from me too, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0081.html
16:18:48 <Schnitz> well.... how about 3 meetings a year and therefore a little longer telcon?
16:20:13 <CharlieWiecha> +1 on schnitz
16:21:03 <NickVdB> but the TPAC is in the 4th q
16:21:06 <Schnitz> right
16:23:10 <Schnitz> zakim, unmute me
16:23:10 <Zakim> Schnitz should no longer be muted
16:25:33 <Schnitz> no
16:25:54 <NickVdB> For me it are seperate issues, the call times and the F2F meetings
16:26:02 <Schnitz> ok
16:26:17 <NickVdB> and I'm fine with makeing call of 90 minutes
16:26:57 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
16:26:57 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted
16:27:00 <NickVdB> that is fine for me
16:28:37 <NickVdB> zakim, mute me
16:28:37 <Zakim> sorry, NickVdB, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
16:28:53 <Steven> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:28:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see wellsk, John_Boyer, Roger, unl (muted), Schnitz (muted), Charles_Wiecha, ebruchez, Blake, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Leigh_Klotz, Steven, markbirbeck
16:29:17 <NickVdB> zakim, I am Nick_Van_den_Bleeken
16:29:18 <Zakim> ok, NickVdB, I now associate you with Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:29:23 <Schnitz> :-)
16:29:24 <NickVdB> zakim, mute me
16:29:24 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
16:29:52 <Schnitz> Great
16:30:21 <Schnitz> +1 charlie
16:30:23 <NickVdB> that is fine for me too
16:30:34 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We go to 90 minute calls, starting 15 mintues earlier and ending 15 minutes later, in January.
16:30:44 <unl> lets do a 2 week f2f in victoria
16:31:02 <Schnitz> unl, ?
16:31:11 <NickVdB> fine for me
16:31:14 <Schnitz> ;-)
16:31:15 <NickVdB> no
16:31:23 <Schnitz> lets go camping for one month
16:31:26 <NickVdB> we want Victoria ;)
16:31:35 <unl> yes
16:31:36 <Schnitz> ;-)
16:32:14 <Schnitz> Leigh, LOL
16:34:37 <NickVdB> sounds good for me
16:34:38 <unl> +1 for 4 day meetings
16:34:39 <wellsk> +1
16:34:46 <Steven> +0
16:35:08 <Schnitz> well, we mean less meetings at the same time, no?
16:35:26 <Schnitz> zakim, unmute me
16:35:26 <Zakim> Schnitz should no longer be muted
16:36:06 <NickVdB> 3 meetinings + TP
16:36:07 <Steven> If it is 3*4 days, then +1 to me
16:36:21 <Steven> s/to/for/
16:37:21 <markbirbeck> q+
16:37:57 <Steven> ack m
16:37:57 <John_Boyer> ack m
16:38:00 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
16:38:00 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted
16:38:20 <Schnitz> ICELAND, ICELAND!
16:38:30 <Schnitz> (in the middle between US / EU)
16:38:42 <Steven> +1 to Iceland
16:40:13 <unl> ho will be the host on iceland?
16:40:25 <unl> s/ho/who
16:40:31 <Steven> IBM *must* have a site there ;-)
16:40:40 <unl> :-o
16:40:53 <NickVdB> no, then we loose victoria :(
16:43:52 <Schnitz> ok
16:43:57 <Schnitz> +1
16:44:18 <Schnitz> no
16:44:24 <Schnitz> right
16:44:30 <Schnitz> no
16:44:34 <Schnitz> right
16:44:43 <Steven> Calls of 90 mins
16:44:50 <Steven> 3 meetings of 4 days
16:45:05 <Steven> where TPAC= 2days+2virtual days
16:45:07 <Schnitz> whereas one of the three meeting is half-virtual
16:45:07 <John_Boyer> Generally, 3 meetings of 4 days in total.  The last of the year would be the TPAC.  Two virtual days before the TPAC and then 2 days at the TPAC for those who can make it
16:45:19 <Steven> +1
16:45:57 <Schnitz> right
16:46:02 <unl> so we're losing victoria next year?
16:46:07 <unl> :-(
16:46:30 <NickVdB> we will start a new group, to go to victoria
16:46:35 <unl> ok
16:47:05 <NickVdB> I was planning my summer holiday in Canada
16:47:25 <NickVdB> but next year wil do
16:47:29 <NickVdB> no problem ;)
16:48:27 <NickVdB> no pubblic holidays
16:48:51 <NickVdB> quite expensive ?
16:48:59 <Schnitz> when is koeniginnen-tag?
16:49:07 <NickVdB> 31 april
16:49:10 <Schnitz> ok
16:49:14 <NickVdB> soryy
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16:49:17 <NickVdB> 30
16:49:55 <unl> earlier is better
16:50:19 <NickVdB> june is ok for me
16:50:37 <NickVdB> 9, 10, 11, 12
16:51:54 <Schnitz> cool
16:52:39 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We resolve to have three F2F meetings per year, four days per meeting, and that the final meeting is half-virtual, half-TPAC.
16:52:47 <klotz> RESOLUTION: F2F in June 9-12, 2008 in Amsterdam
16:54:07 <NickVdB> ack, me
16:54:23 <Steven> ack nick
16:54:44 <Steven> Yay for Nick!
16:54:49 <Schnitz> :-)
16:54:58 <Schnitz> zakim, who is here?
16:54:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see wellsk, John_Boyer, Roger, unl (muted), Schnitz (muted), Charles_Wiecha, ebruchez, Blake, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Leigh_Klotz, Steven, markbirbeck
16:54:58 <Steven> Excellent
16:55:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see Roger_, klotz, Blake, NickVdB, ebruchez, CharlieWiecha, unl, Schnitz, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, markbirbeck, ShaneM, Steven, trackbot-ng
16:55:59 <unl> i'm willing to help wherever i can
16:56:08 <ebruchez> same here
16:56:38 <NickVdB> yes
16:56:39 <Schnitz> I will be not helping at all, and do my best to hinder any development
16:56:47 <Schnitz> just kidding :-)
16:56:47 <unl> we know
16:56:52 <NickVdB> help is welcome ;)
16:57:08 <NickVdB> zakim, mute me
16:57:08 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
16:58:12 <NickVdB> John you are the 2.0 master
16:58:22 <Schnitz> yep
16:58:26 <Schnitz> John!
16:58:29 <wellsk> +1 for John
16:59:21 <CharlieWiecha> +1 for modules
16:59:29 <NickVdB> +1 for modules
17:00:28 <Schnitz> bye :-)
17:00:29 <Zakim> -Leigh_Klotz
17:00:30 <NickVdB> talk to you next week
17:00:31 <Roger_> byw
17:00:32 <Zakim> -wellsk
17:00:34 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
17:00:37 <Zakim> -Blake
17:00:40 <Zakim> -Steven
17:00:43 <wellsk> wellsk has left #forms
17:00:45 <Zakim> -Charles_Wiecha
17:00:51 <Zakim> -unl
17:00:53 <klotz> Was Erik here?
17:00:57 <Zakim> -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
17:01:05 <Zakim> -John_Boyer
17:01:05 <klotz> ?seen ebruchez
17:01:06 <CharlieWiecha> don't think so, no
17:01:07 <Zakim> -ebruchez
17:01:09 <Zakim> -Schnitz
17:01:11 <Zakim> -Roger
17:01:17 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended
17:01:17 <CharlieWiecha> but his line just hung up???
17:01:19 <Zakim> Attendees were wellsk, +1.250.294.aaaa, John_Boyer, unl, Roger, +49.308.3.aabb, Charles_Wiecha, Schnitz, ebruchez, Blake, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Leigh_Klotz, Steven, markbirbeck
17:01:19 <klotz> OK, yes I see he was.
17:01:35 <CharlieWiecha> k
17:01:35 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
17:01:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/21-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
17:01:44 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
17:01:44 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/21-forms-actions.rdf :
17:01:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to ask Mark Seaborne for XForms 1.0 Basic implementation report status. [1]
17:01:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/21-forms-irc#T16-09-14
17:01:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John Boyer to add example for inputmode to issues list (received indirectly as comment but after last call deadline) and to contact Yam. [2]
17:01:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/21-forms-irc#T16-14-14-1