IRC log of swd on 2007-11-20

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-irc
15:57:02 [TomB]
rrsagent, bookmark
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See http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-irc#T15-57-02
15:57:21 [TomB]
zakim, this will be swd
15:57:21 [Zakim]
ok, TomB, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started
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Meeting: SWD WG
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+ +39.065.7.aaaa
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Chair: guus
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-??P3
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+??P3
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+[LC]
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- +39.065.7.aaaa
15:59:15 [TomB]
zakim, who is on the call?
15:59:15 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ??P3, [LC]
15:59:27 [edsu]
Zakim: LC is edsu
15:59:52 [TomB]
zakim, ??P3 is me
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+Quentin
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+TomB; got it
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Zakim, LC is edsu
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+edsu; got it
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+[VrijeUni]
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Regrets: Ralph, Daniel
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rrsagent, please make record public
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+[LC]
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Scribe: Quentin
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+??P29
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Scribenick: qreul
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Previous: http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html
16:01:55 [Zakim]
+??P28
16:01:57 [vit]
Zakim, +P29 is vit
16:02:01 [Zakim]
sorry, vit, I do not recognize a party named '+P29'
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zakim, ??P28 is aliman
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+aliman; got it
16:02:25 [vit]
Zakim, ??P29 is vit
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+vit; got it
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+encarna
16:02:54 [berrueta]
Zakim, encarna is me
16:02:57 [TomB]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0032.html
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+berrueta; got it
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+Antoine_Isaac
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16:04:25 [Guus]
zakim, who is here?
16:04:35 [Zakim]
On the phone I see TomB, edsu, Quentin, [VrijeUni], [LC], vit, aliman, berrueta, Antoine_Isaac
16:04:47 [Zakim]
On IRC I see JonP, seanb, Guus, Antoine, berrueta, aliman, edsu, qreul, RRSAgent, Zakim, vit, TomB
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+??P12
16:05:03 [edsu]
Zakim, VrijeUni is Guus
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+Guus; got it
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Topic: Admin
16:05:20 [seanb]
zakim, P12 is seanb
16:05:29 [edsu]
Zakim, LC is Justin
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sorry, seanb, I do not recognize a party named 'P12'
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+Justin; got it
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+Jon_Phipps
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zakim, ??P12 is seanb
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DONE to accept minutes of the Nov 6 telecon
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+seanb; got it
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RESOLVED to accept minutes of the Nov 6 telecon
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Topic: SKOS
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Schedule for SKOS deliverables
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http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#SKOS
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0036.html -> Alistair's schedule for SKOS
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ACTION: Alistair will to update deliverables for SKOS [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action02]
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RESOLVED
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aliman suggest to look @ alternative to be added to Editor's draft
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.. needing something about mapping
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ACTION: qreul to review Editor's draft
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ACTION: vit to review Editor's draft
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ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05]
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dropped
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continues
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ACTION: Alistair to update semantics document to listing ways in which SKOS diverges from OWL DL [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action06]
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dropped
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ACTION: Alistair will to update deliverables for SKOS [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action02]
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done
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ACTION: Ed to write suggest some text about SKOS message for SWEO Semantic Web FAQ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action24]
16:13:28 [edsu]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0030.html
16:13:49 [qreul]
--done
16:14:05 [qreul]
ACTION: Tom to amend proposals to for accepting minimal relation labels [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/23-swd-minutes.html#action12]
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--done
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ACTION: Alistair and Guus to prepare material for next week on Concept Schemes vs OWL Ontologies [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action04]
16:14:27 [TomB]
ACTION: Alistair and Guus write draft section in primer on relationship between SKOS concepts and OWL classes for OWL DL users [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-swd-minutes.html#action05]
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-- dropped
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--dropped
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ACTION: Guus to write up the issue [of Label Resource] and add to the issue list. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/09-swd-minutes.html#action01]
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--continues
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ACTION: Ralph to reconstruct proposal for semantics of isDefinedBy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
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--continues
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Ed reviewed text about SKOS for Semantic Web FAQ
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... chnage suggested to way it presented
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[Ed's review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0030.html]
16:17:13 [qreul]
... SKOS is an ontology that can be reused
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... SKOS could help Flickr (folksonomies) to be published
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Guus suggests to wait a few days and sent it before the next telecon to SWEO
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ACTION: Ed to send review to SWEO by next telecon
16:19:53 [edsu]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Nov/0043.html
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Group to look @ priority list
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aliman describe the different issues to be resolved for first publication
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... f2f identified issue 39 and issue 56
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http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/39
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http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/56
16:21:52 [qreul]
... propose adding issues on SKOS documentation
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http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/27
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... also raised issue 64 and issue 65
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http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/64
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design patterns
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http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/65
16:23:09 [qreul]
note with different type of XML
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Antoine says the mapping is very important and will produce a document next week
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... minimum solution to mapping
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... but wonders whether should concentrate on SKOS documentation properties
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Guus happy to leave it out too
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aliman wonders whether we can stick with what has been defined so far
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... issue 27 need to be resolved
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Guus suggest that solution to issue 26 can be reused
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aliman informs that we currently have a link to a literal
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... propose having one property linking to a literal
16:27:05 [qreul]
Antoine thinks that both issues have the same technical problem
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... and should use the same solution
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Guus assumed that the group would use his proposal to solve issue 26
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... but current proposal could cause a problem with issue 27
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aliman happy to own issue 64 and 65
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Guus takes over issue 27
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aliman suggest that the solution to issue 56 is whether or not it is in the scope of the 1st SKOS document
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... potential treading on logical language such as OWL
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seanb to take over issue 56
16:31:24 [edsu]
seanb++
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-Guus
16:32:04 [qreul]
Topic: RDFa
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ACTION: Ben and Michael to address comments by Tom [regarding maintenance of wiki document http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa]
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--continues
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ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action03]
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-- continues
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ACTION: Ben to update RDFa schedule in wiki [http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/08-swd-minutes.html#action04]
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-- continues
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ACTION: Guus/Tom to propose joint decisions for reviews for major [RDFa] steps/transition requests. Informal agreement about working drafts.
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-- continues
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Topic: Recipes
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ACTION: Dan to ask apache about conditional redirects [recorded in
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- continues
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ACTION: Diego to recast Recipe 6 [recorded in
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-- continues
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ACTION: Guus/Tom to solicit reviewers for the Recipes document.
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-- continues
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ACTION: Jon to add words that acknowledge the existence of RDFa as
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continues
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ACTION: Jon to make changes as proposed [with regard to Issue-23]
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-- continues
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ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior"
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-- continues
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ACTION: Ralph to come up with a URI for wiki page [for Recipes
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-- continues
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ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes]
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- continues
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ACTION: TF leaders to prepare a version of Recipes for review in
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-- continues
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Topic: VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT
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ACTION: Vit and Elisa to include in the document all the target sections
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-- continues
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Topic: AOB
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SWEO request for input to Semantic Web FAQ re: SKOS
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-Justin
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-vit
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-Jon_Phipps
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-seanb
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-berrueta
16:40:44 [TomB]
zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been +39.065.7.aaaa, Quentin, TomB, edsu, aliman, vit, berrueta, Antoine_Isaac, Guus, Justin, Jon_Phipps, seanb
16:41:23 [TomB]
rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:41:23 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html TomB
16:41:31 [TomB]
Quentin?
16:41:37 [qreul]
yes
16:42:15 [TomB]
if you edit http://www.w3.org/2007/11/20-swd-minutes.html and send the edited HTML to Ralph, he can post it
16:42:30 [qreul]
thanks
16:42:36 [Zakim]
-Quentin
16:42:40 [TomB]
there is a summary of actions at the end
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...the summary of actions needs to be correct, because that is carried over into the next agenda
16:43:33 [seanb]
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16:43:39 [TomB]
quentin, thank you for scribing!
16:43:48 [qreul]
no problems
16:52:41 [edsu]
i'm here on the phone too btw, in the interests of full disclosure :)
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-Antoine_Isaac
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-aliman
16:53:42 [TomB]
edsu?
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-edsu
16:53:49 [edsu]
still here on irc
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what's up Tom?
16:54:00 [TomB]
wanted to ask about LC vocabularies
16:54:10 [edsu]
oh shoot, you want me to call back in?
16:54:15 [TomB]
sure!
16:54:17 [edsu]
k
16:54:48 [Zakim]
+[LC]
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-[LC]
16:55:10 [TomB]
trying again?
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+[LC]
16:55:19 [edsu]
still muted?
16:55:27 [TomB]
zakim, please unmute me
16:55:27 [Zakim]
TomB should no longer be muted
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-TomB
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-[LC]
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SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were +39.065.7.aaaa, Quentin, TomB, edsu, aliman, vit, berrueta, Antoine_Isaac, Guus, Justin, Jon_Phipps, seanb, [LC]
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