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15:58:03 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make log public
15:58:13 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG teleconference
15:58:17 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
15:58:21 <John_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh
15:58:29 <John_Boyer> Regrets: Joern
15:58:45 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0056.html
15:58:52 <John_Boyer> John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0056.html
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16:00:44 <unl> zakim, mute me
16:00:44 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
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16:01:25 <Zakim> +wellsk
16:01:32 <Rafael> Zakim, code?
16:01:32 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Rafael
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16:03:19 <Zakim> +[IBM]
16:03:23 <Zakim> +??P21
16:03:43 <Rafael> Zakim, ??P21 is Rafael
16:03:43 <Zakim> +Rafael; got it
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16:03:51 <Nick> zakim, code?
16:03:51 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Nick
16:03:58 <Rafael> Zakim, Rafael has Roger
16:03:58 <Zakim> +Roger; got it
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16:04:22 <Zakim> + +1.541.754.aaaa
16:04:25 <Zakim> +??P25
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16:04:33 <Schnitz> zakim, code?
16:04:33 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz
16:04:36 <Blake> zakim, +1541 is me
16:04:36 <Zakim> +Blake; got it
16:04:36 <ebruchez> zakim, ??P25 is ebruchez
16:04:37 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
16:04:47 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:05:06 <Nick> zakim, mute me
16:05:06 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
16:05:08 <CharlieWiecha> zakim, who is here?
16:05:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see unl (muted), John_Boyer, wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, [IBM], Rafael, Blake, ebruchez, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted)
16:05:10 <Zakim> Rafael has Roger
16:05:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see Schnitz, CharlieWiecha, ebruchez, Blake, Nick, klotz, Rafael, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, Roger, unl, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
16:05:14 <Zakim> +??P28
16:05:17 <CharlieWiecha> zakim, [IBM] is CharlieWiecha
16:05:17 <Zakim> +CharlieWiecha; got it
16:05:26 <Schnitz> zakim, ??p28 is me
16:05:26 <Zakim> +Schnitz; got it
16:05:29 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
16:05:30 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted
16:05:41 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
16:05:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see unl (muted), John_Boyer, wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, CharlieWiecha, Rafael, Blake, ebruchez, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted), Schnitz (muted)
16:05:44 <Rafael> Zakim, mute me
16:05:44 <Zakim> Rafael should now be muted
16:05:46 <Zakim> Rafael has Roger
16:05:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see Schnitz, CharlieWiecha, ebruchez, Blake, Nick, klotz, Rafael, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, Roger, unl, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
16:05:49 <Nick> John here is the updated list of action items http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/att-0058/actions2007-11-09.html
16:06:04 <Nick> sorry that it is a bit late but it was quite busy...
16:06:12 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
16:06:17 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
16:06:19 <Zakim> +Steven.a
16:06:57 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0056.html
16:07:19 <Zakim> +??P4
16:07:29 <markbirbeck> zakim, i am ?
16:07:29 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
16:08:00 <Steven> Meeting: Weekly XHTML2 WG Teleconference
16:08:14 <Steven> Chair: Steven/Roland
16:08:37 <Steven> lol
16:09:44 <Steven> s/Meeting: XHTML2 WG Teleconference//
16:10:00 <Schnitz> signal is breaking up, am I the only one with this problem?
16:10:05 <Steven> s/Chair: Steven\/Roland//
16:12:12 <Schnitz> zakim, code?
16:12:12 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz
16:12:22 <Zakim> -Schnitz
16:12:47 <Zakim> +??P7
16:12:55 <Schnitz> zakim, ??p7 is me
16:12:55 <Zakim> +Schnitz; got it
16:12:59 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
16:12:59 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted
16:17:46 <Schnitz> YES!
16:17:51 <Schnitz> I agree :-)
16:17:57 <Schnitz> ;-)
16:21:15 <klotz> ACTION: Steven Pemberton to contact Martin Duerst and reiterate advantages to algorithmic determination of inputmode script.
16:21:15 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-433 - Pemberton to contact Martin Duerst and reiterate advantages to algorithmic determination of inputmode script. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2007-11-21].
16:21:28 <klotz> s/detremination/determination/
16:21:28 <John_Boyer> LC comments report (draft): http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2007/xforms11-lc-doc-20071114.html
16:23:22 <Nick> 147: 7.10.4
16:23:30 <Nick> 145: 7.8.8
16:23:43 <wellsk> zakim, who's making noise?
16:23:54 <Zakim> wellsk, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: John_Boyer (69%), Steven.a (33%)
16:24:57 <Steven> zakim, I am Steven.a
16:24:57 <Zakim> ok, Steven, I now associate you with Steven.a
16:24:59 <Nick> this is issue 145
16:25:17 <Nick> L. The seconds-from-dateTime() function poses a particular problem
16:25:17 <Nick>       because XPath 2.0 offers a function with the same name and
16:25:17 <Nick>       different semantics.
16:25:17 <Nick>   
16:25:17 <Nick>       You should define whether leap second are taken into account, and
16:25:18 <Nick>       if so, specify how.
16:25:40 <Nick> ack me
16:26:34 <Nick> zakim, mute me
16:26:34 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
16:28:16 <Nick> I have read through the minutes and it seems you don't even consider my 
16:28:16 <Nick>   request. The statement by John "I don't think you can do that kind of 
16:28:16 <Nick>   isolation." clearly displays the ignorance from which the decissions are 
16:28:16 <Nick>   made in the working group.
16:28:16 <Nick>   
16:28:17 <Nick>   I accept the resolution simply because I give up.
16:31:28 <Nick> yes it is Suspended
16:31:53 <Nick> (the state of the ones we Defered)
16:32:45 <John_Boyer> XForms 1.1 editor's draft of CR-ready specification: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-all-20071106.html
16:33:01 <Steven> http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/xforms11-lc-doc-20071114.html
16:33:04 <Nick> We still have a lot No Response issues
16:33:44 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2007/xforms11-lc-doc-20071114.html
16:33:55 <Steven> is now further up-to-date
16:34:35 <Steven> John, issue 45 is marked "editorial"
16:35:10 <Steven> as is 69
16:35:42 <Schnitz> zakim, unmute me
16:35:42 <Zakim> Schnitz should no longer be muted
16:35:46 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
16:35:46 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted
16:36:10 <Nick> Are we going to clean up the no-reponse states?
16:36:10 <Schnitz> :-)
16:36:54 <klotz> RESOLUTION: We request transition CR of XForms 1.1 with http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/2007/xforms11-lc-doc-20071114.html
16:37:29 <Steven> I will
16:37:45 <Nick> don't have issues
16:37:52 <Nick> ack me
16:38:17 <Nick> zakim, mute me
16:38:17 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
16:41:32 <Schnitz> zakim, unmute me
16:41:32 <Zakim> Schnitz should no longer be muted
16:41:45 <Rafael> Zakim, unmute me
16:41:45 <Zakim> Rafael should no longer be muted
16:42:59 <Nick> I've done all the new XPath Functions ;)
16:43:15 <Schnitz> right :-)
16:43:44 <wellsk> I can get a list of mozilla xforms  1.1 suported features (or ones in development)
16:45:06 <Nick> ack, me
16:45:10 <Nick> ack me
16:45:35 <Rafael> you can count on some features in DataMovil 3.0
16:45:50 <Schnitz> :-)
16:46:07 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
16:46:07 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted
16:46:15 <wellsk> MUCH better connection
16:46:27 <Nick> zakim, mute me
16:46:27 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
16:47:21 <wellsk> yes
16:47:22 <Steven> q+ to ask about May meeting
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16:53:34 <Nick> it is the same for me, in general
16:53:50 <Nick> for me it makes a differnce for me the saterday night
16:53:59 <Nick> but mainly for US f2f
16:56:26 <wellsk> or to increase the duration of the telecons?
16:58:31 <Nick> I personally think real f2f work better, but maybe 1 of the 4 by phone and evaluate
16:58:51 <Schnitz> zakim, unmute me
16:58:51 <Zakim> Schnitz should no longer be muted
17:00:26 <Nick> ack me
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17:02:51 <Zakim> -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
17:02:56 <Zakim> -CharlieWiecha
17:02:57 <Zakim> -unl
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17:02:59 <Zakim> -Steven.a
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17:03:12 <Zakim> Attendees were John_Boyer, unl, wellsk, Leigh_Klotz, Roger, +1.541.754.aaaa, Blake, ebruchez, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, CharlieWiecha, Schnitz, Steven.a, markbirbeck
17:03:13 <Nick> John can I ask a question related to the f2F meetings?
17:03:33 <John_Boyer> yes
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17:04:12 <Nick> Can we decide next call if the f2f in Januari is going to be held or not, because then I can ask approval
17:04:31 <Nick> and how longer away it is the greater the chance I get approval
17:04:32 <John_Boyer> I think it is already going forward.  We can discuss next call though.
17:04:45 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
17:04:50 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
17:05:00 <John_Boyer> hmm...
17:05:00 <Steven> john, you are sending weird chars
17:05:06 <John_Boyer> i see that
17:05:07 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
17:05:07 <Zakim> apparently HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended, Steven
17:05:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see ShaneM, Schnitz, Nick, klotz, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, Roger, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
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17:05:15 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
17:05:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-forms-minutes.html Steven
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17:05:24 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
17:05:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
17:05:27 <Nick> ok, I''ll then wait till next call and then ask approval or not
17:05:28 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
17:05:28 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-forms-actions.rdf :
17:05:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven Pemberton to contact Martin Duerst and reiterate advantages to algorithmic determination of inputmode script. [1]
17:05:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-forms-irc#T16-21-15