16:08:24 RRSAgent has joined #tagmem 16:08:24 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-tagmem-irc 16:24:27 q+ suggest that Noah is uncovering the two-layer nature of SGML and XML, which we have I think implicitly agreed to gloss over 16:28:27 q? 16:28:28 q+ 16:29:10 ack ht 16:30:51 q? 16:36:04 tbl: #2. Any extensions in a text of the language should have a well-defined default meaning. 16:37:37 #2. Any extensions in a text of the language should have a well-defined default meaning (which often is that the extension has no meaning and can be ignored) 16:38:07 Any extensions in a text of the language should have a well-defined default meaning (which often is that the extension conveys no information and can be ignored) 16:38:14 so "text of the language" i.e. it needn't not be well-formed? 16:39:59 #2. Any extensions in a text of the language should have a well-defined default meaning (which often is that the extension conveys no information and can be ignored) 16:40:19 I can live with that 16:41:42 Present: DaveO, Henty, Norm, TimBL, Noah, Raman, Stuart 16:42:10 All present can live with:#2. Any extensions in a text of the language should have a well-defined default meaning (which often is that the extension conveys no information and can be ignored) 16:57:11 if the texts of the language contain version identifiers, then there is a set of unknown version identifiers that can be treated as if the version identifier was known 16:57:26 #3: if the texts of the language contain version identifiers, then there is a set of unknown version identifiers that can be treated as if the version identifier was known 16:58:22 If the texts of teh language cont version identifiers, then for any version version there are a set of future versions whose texts can they were of that version. 17:00:41 If the texts of the language contain version identifiers, then for any version there is a set of future versions whose texts can be treated as though they were of that version. 17:03:03 If the texts of the language contain version identifiers, then for a given version there is a set of future versions whose texts can be treated as though they were of that version. 17:06:08 If the ..., then for a given version there is a set of future version identifiers that can be treated as known version identifiers 17:08:44 If the ..., then for a given version there is a set of future version identifiers that have well-defined default meaning (which is often to allow) 17:09:37 if the..., then for a given version there is a set of future version identifiers that are allowed 17:11:16 if the..., then for a given version there is a set of future version identifiers that are acceptable. 17:12:22 I'm happy with either of the last two formulations 17:20:02 If the texts of the language contain version identifiers, then for a given language version there is a set of future version identifiers that are acceptable. 17:21:59 If the texts of the language contain version identifiers, then for a given language version there is a set of future version identifiers that are compatible 17:25:15 my reaction as I listen to this conversation is: "what problem are we solving, and how will the world benefit from this discussion"? 17:26:56 "Version identifiers can signal intended compatibility relationships between versions of an extensible language: " 17:27:10 Let's actually ask the following questions: "How can we get this document out to the world for wider review and feedback"? and "How can this document help the W3C's various language design woes, starting with the html vs xhtml issue. 17:28:07 "Version identifiers for use in the texts of a language can signal intended compatibility relationships between versions of an extensible language: " 17:37:25 If the texts of the language contain version identifiers, then for a given language version there is a set of compatible future versions. 17:38:16 If the texts of the language contain version identifiers, then for a given language version there is a set of compatible future versions identifiers. 17:39:09 Norm has joined #tagmem 17:41:59 DanC_lap has joined #tagmem 17:42:51 #2. Any extensions in a text of the language should have a well-defined default meaning (which often is that the extension conveys no information and can be ignored) 17:43:35 "if the texts of the language contain version identifiers, then specify a mechanism such that the intended forward compatibility of (future?) version identifiers can be determined inspection/comparison a text's versions identifier." 17:44:42 If the texts of the language contain version identifiers, then the language defines a set of compatible future versions identifiers. 17:46:10 If the texts of the language contain version identifiers, then a given language version defines a set of compatible future versions identifiers. 17:46:49 #3: If the texts of the language contain version identifiers, then a given language version defines a set of compatible future versions identifiers. 17:47:46 If the texts of the language contain version identifiers, then a given language version should define a set of compatible future versions identifiers. 17:48:08 #3: If the texts of the language contain version identifiers, then a given language version should contain a set of compatible future versions identifiers. 17:49:37 #3: If the texts of the language contain version identifiers, then a given language version should define a set of compatible future version identifiers. 17:50:40 Present: DaveO, Henry, Norm, TimBL, Noah, Raman, Stuart 17:51:00 All present can live with the previous text. 18:20:11 timbl has joined #tagmem 18:34:09 Zakim has left #tagmem 19:12:18 raman has left #tagmem 19:16:49 timbl has joined #tagmem 19:24:13 timbl has joined #tagmem 19:33:03 timbl has joined #tagmem 19:52:16 timbl has joined #tagmem 20:13:42 Stuart has joined #tagmem 20:18:31 skw has joined #tagmem 20:21:27 Stuart has joined #tagmem 20:25:34 Stuart has joined #tagmem 20:28:54 ericP has joined #tagmem 20:37:33 Noah has joined #tagmem 20:38:51 dorchard has joined #tagmem 20:39:02 DanC_lap has joined #tagmem 20:42:33 http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/passwordsInTheClear-52 21:04:55 q+ 21:06:02 ht has joined #tagmem 21:06:22 what channel are we on? 21:06:35 argh 21:06:56 I was on #tagmem when I should have switched 21:08:32 tlr has joined #tagmem 21:08:40 ht has changed the topic to: Meeting with security context WG on channel #wsc 21:08:42 please join #wsc if you are in the passwordsInTheClear session 21:09:02 Stuart has joined #tagmem 21:24:08 tlr has left #tagmem 21:37:20 DanC_lap has joined #tagmem 22:03:49 tlr has joined #tagmem 22:04:15 ACTION: stuart to ask Norm to be point person for passwordsInTheClear-52 22:04:15 Created ACTION-75 - Ask Norm to be point person for passwordsInTheClear-52 [on Stuart Williams - due 2007-11-13]. 23:10:14 ericP has left #tagmem 23:49:20 timbl has joined #tagmem