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14:02:26 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be BPWG
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14:02:28 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
14:02:30 <trackbot-ng> Date: 25 October 2007
14:02:35 <edm> zakim, who is here
14:02:35 <Zakim> edm, you need to end that query with '?'
14:02:43 <Zakim> + +1.781.932.aaaa
14:02:43 <edm> zakim, who is here?
14:02:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ed_Mitukiewicz, +1.781.932.aaaa
14:02:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, SeanPatterson, edm, matt, MikeSmith, trackbot-ng
14:02:59 <Zakim> +??P26
14:03:27 <MikeSmith> Zakim, ??P6 is MikeBadAssMuthaSmith
14:03:27 <Zakim> sorry, MikeSmith, I do not recognize a party named '??P6'
14:03:35 <dom> dom has joined #bpwg
14:03:35 <MikeSmith> Zakim, ??Pw6 is MikeBadAssMuthaSmith
14:03:35 <Zakim> sorry, MikeSmith, I do not recognize a party named '??Pw6'
14:03:39 <MikeSmith> Zakim, ??P26 is MikeBadAssMuthaSmith
14:03:40 <Zakim> +MikeBadAssMuthaSmith; got it
14:04:25 <edm> Zakim.1.781.932.aaa is Shah
14:04:36 <Zakim> +Bryan
14:04:46 <dom> Zakim, aaa is Shah
14:04:46 <Zakim> sorry, dom, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
14:04:53 <dom> Zakim, aaaa is Shah
14:04:53 <Zakim> +Shah; got it
14:04:57 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:04:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-bpwg-minutes.html MikeSmith
14:05:29 <MikeSmith> Chair: Ed
14:05:39 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:05:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-bpwg-minutes.html MikeSmith
14:06:18 <MikeSmith> Present: Ed, Dom, MikeSmith, SeanPatterson, Matt
14:06:21 <edm> Regrets: Dan, Jo, Nacho, Abel, Miguel, Magnus, Roland, Adam, Sean, Kai, Chaals, Bruno, Aaron, Robert
14:06:34 <Zakim> +SeanPatterson
14:07:01 <MikeSmith> Scribenick: MikeSmith
14:08:11 <MikeSmith> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/C8FFD98530207F40BD8D2CAD608B50B47D46CA@mtldsvr01.DotMobi.local
14:08:49 <MikeSmith> Topic: Transition Request for Latest Draft of mobileOK Basic 1.0 Tests
14:09:00 <MikeSmith> Present+ Shah
14:10:45 <edm> due to low attendance, suggests setting up an urgent onlime WBS poll to decide on progressing mobileOK Basic to CR
14:13:38 <edm> notes that apparently there are still some comments that were not addressed to commenter's satisfaction...
14:14:29 <MikeSmith> replies from Johannes Koch
14:14:57 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/mid/4720830B.7010507@fit.fraunhofer.de
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14:20:53 <edm> Apparently the issue of (updating the resource 
14:20:53 <edm> size/count totals)
14:21:15 <edm> has not been addressed...
14:22:11 <Zakim> +??P37
14:22:21 <achuter> zakim, ??P37 is me
14:22:21 <Zakim> +achuter; got it
14:23:15 <edm> notes that BPWG needs to recognize that some members of the group are not satisfied with ignoring this issue
14:25:09 <MikeSmith> Present+ BryanSullivan
14:26:23 <MikeSmith> Bryan: if the sum of a series of the content of redirects causes content we are serving to fail mobileOK testing and be judged not-mobileOK, then we are not happy with that
14:27:02 <MikeSmith> ... and the document as is stands could in fact cause that to happen
14:27:28 <MikeSmith> s/and the document as is/and the mobileOK doc as it stands/
14:28:38 <MikeSmith> Scribe: MikeSmith
14:30:18 <MikeSmith> Bryan: We understand that the current mobileOK Basic Tests doc is sort of a snapshot based on the state of technology as of a year ago of whatever
14:31:01 <MikeSmith> ... so we are OK accepting it as that -- we don't want to stop the progress of the doc in its tracks -- but we do want to express this concern
14:31:13 <edm> notes that Bryan would be satisfied if his comments were addressed in the next version of mobileOK Basic - and concerns duly noted by the BPWG
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14:34:40 <Zakim> + +078337aabb
14:35:07 <MikeSmith> ACTION: Bryan to post follow-up to Johannes Koch open comment on public-bpwg-comments@w3.org list
14:35:07 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-582 - Post follow-up to Johannes Koch open comment on public-bpwg-comments@w3.org list [on Bryan Sullivan - due 2007-11-01].
14:35:10 <drooks> zakim, +078337aabb is me
14:35:10 <Zakim> +drooks; got it
14:39:59 <edm> notes apparent consensus that Johannes' and Bryan's comments would not have to be addressed in the current version of the mobileOk Basic 1.0 tests...
14:40:33 <edm> ... and therefore would not impede progressing it to CR
14:44:03 <edm>  BPWG could agree to note the implications of not addressing these comments in the current version - without changing it
14:44:38 <MikeSmith> Bryan: One of the implications of this is that if someone identifies content we serve as not mobileOK because of this issue, we will publicly disagree with that, which means publicly disagreeing with that part of the document.
14:47:53 <Zakim> -Shah
14:52:58 <edm> notes that as long as Jo and Sean agree to recognize the issue and record it in the resolution to move MobileOk Basic 1.0 Tests we could have a poll on that
14:53:18 <Zakim> +Shah
14:55:32 <MikeSmith> ACTION: Bryan to post message to member list summarizing what he expressed during this call about open issue with curent mobileOK doc.
14:55:32 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-583 - Post message to member list summarizing what he expressed during this call about open issue with curent mobileOK doc. [on Bryan Sullivan - due 2007-11-01].
14:57:28 <MikeSmith> ACTION: Jo to follow up on message from Bryan, as co-editor of the mobileOK doc, to record that concerns expressed by Bryan will be addressed by group later.
14:57:28 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-584 - Follow up on message from Bryan, as co-editor of the mobileOK doc, to record that concerns expressed by Bryan will be addressed by group later. [on Jo Rabin - due 2007-11-01].
14:58:19 <MikeSmith> ACTION: Smith to create WBS questionnaire to ask group about transitioning mobileOK doc to CR.
14:58:19 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-585 - Create WBS questionnaire to ask group about transitioning mobileOK doc to CR. [on Michael(tm) Smith - due 2007-11-01].
14:58:39 <MikeSmith> Topic: Accessibility Task Force
14:58:51 <achuter> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-access/2007Oct/
14:59:10 <MikeSmith> achuter : was some concern about not enough participation in Accessiblity TF ... 
14:59:22 <MikeSmith> ... but over the past week, progress has been quite decent ... 
14:59:30 <MikeSmith> ... comments from Charles ... 
15:00:01 <achuter> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/Accessibility/drafts/latest
15:00:05 <MikeSmith> achuter : we have also scheduled some discussion with the Education and Outreach group at the TPAC in Boston next month
15:00:32 <MikeSmith> edm : Any questions from anybody?
15:01:16 <edm> notes that some comments are still pending and will be incorporated in the new version of the document in about a week
15:01:46 <MikeSmith> Topic: Content Transformation Task Force
15:02:29 <MikeSmith> SeanPatterson: Spent part of the call resolving that the Problem Statement doc title should be changed to Content Transformation Landscape
15:02:35 <edm>  http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-ct-landscape-20071025/
15:02:43 <MikeSmith> ... which will be published as WG Note
15:05:31 <edm> notes that the Guidelines document would probably focus first on transformation occuring only in one place - i.e., transformation proxy 
15:06:00 <MikeSmith> SeanPatterson : The current consensus is formeding around scope of the guidelines doc to be limited to case where the transformation happens in one place, the CT proxy
15:06:28 <Zakim> -MikeBadAssMuthaSmith
15:06:53 <edm> Topic: Checker TF
15:07:32 <edm> apparently no news since the alpha release announcement...
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15:09:55 <Zakim> +??P0
15:10:06 <billyjack> Zakim, ??P0 is MikeSmith
15:10:06 <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
15:10:18 <edm> suggests skipping the ACTIONS and ISSUES
15:10:26 <edm> Topic: AOB
15:11:48 <Zakim> -SeanPatterson
15:12:44 <Zakim> +SeanPatterson
15:13:09 <edm> notes that any and all suggestions and contributions regarding the agenda for the upcoming f2f should be submitted to the mailing list
15:13:24 <Zakim> -drooks
15:14:55 <MikeSmith> Thanks to Ed for chairing
15:15:43 <Zakim> -Bryan
15:15:45 <edm> bye
15:15:46 <Zakim> -Shah
15:15:48 <Zakim> -achuter
15:15:48 <Zakim> -SeanPatterson
15:15:50 <MikeSmith> [meeting adjourned at 00:15 JST]
15:16:03 <Zakim> -Ed_Mitukiewicz
15:16:05 <Zakim> -MikeSmith
15:16:06 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended
15:16:07 <Zakim> Attendees were Ed_Mitukiewicz, +1.781.932.aaaa, MikeBadAssMuthaSmith, Bryan, Shah, SeanPatterson, achuter, drooks, MikeSmith
15:16:13 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:16:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-bpwg-minutes.html MikeSmith
15:16:26 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, bye
15:16:26 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-bpwg-actions.rdf :
15:16:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Bryan to post follow-up to Johannes Koch open comment on public-bpwg-comments@w3.org list [1]
15:16:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-bpwg-irc#T14-35-07
15:16:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Bryan to post message to member list summarizing what he expressed during this call about open issue with curent mobileOK doc. [2]
15:16:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-bpwg-irc#T14-55-32
15:16:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jo to follow up on message from Bryan, as co-editor of the mobileOK doc, to record that concerns expressed by Bryan will be addressed by group later. [3]
15:16:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-bpwg-irc#T14-57-28
15:16:26 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Smith to create WBS questionnaire to ask group about transitioning mobileOK doc to CR. [4]
15:16:26 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/25-bpwg-irc#T14-58-19