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15:02:40 <eneumann> zakim, this is hcls
15:02:50 <eneumann> .invite zakim
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15:03:05 <eneumann> zakim, this is hcls
15:03:05 <Zakim> ok, eneumann; that matches SW_HCLS()11:00AM
15:03:20 <eneumann> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
15:03:48 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
15:03:48 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
15:03:54 <Zakim> +EricP
15:03:58 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
15:04:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.301.975.aaaa, ??P5, EricP
15:04:14 <Zakim> +Eric_Neumann
15:04:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, matthiassamwald, eneumann, chimezie, ericP
15:04:39 <matthiassamwald> i am using skype
15:04:59 <ericP> Zakim, +1.301.975.aaaa is tnbhat
15:05:00 <Zakim> +tnbhat; got it
15:05:17 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode?
15:05:17 <Zakim> the conference code is 4257 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie
15:05:26 <ericP> Zakim, ??P5 is matthiassamwald 
15:05:26 <Zakim> +matthiassamwald; got it
15:05:47 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:06:40 <eneumann> zakim, pick a  victim
15:06:40 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:06:49 <eneumann> zakim, pick a  victim
15:06:52 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:07:14 <eneumann> zakim, pick a  victim
15:07:14 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:07:28 <eneumann> zakim, pick a  victim
15:07:30 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:07:41 <chimezie> oh well
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15:10:48 <Zakim> +Jonathan_Rees
15:10:53 <matthiassamwald> eric: we are still analyzing the results of the questionaire.
15:11:59 <matthiassamwald> eric: however, some kex people responsible for that are not on the call at the moment.
15:12:41 <matthiassamwald> eric: the notes should go to the public domain after the face to face.
15:12:50 <jar286> could someone please send a URI to the draft agenda to the chat?
15:13:52 <matthiassamwald> chimezie: our group is working on notes at the moment (drug safety etc.)
15:14:02 <matthiassamwald> correction -- eric said that.
15:14:15 <chimezie> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/2007Oct/0092.html Agenda
15:14:31 <matthiassamwald> eric: the notes should reflect what has been done on the wiki pages.
15:15:09 <matthiassamwald> eric: biordf should probably have some notes on the URI discussion.
15:15:43 <matthiassamwald> jonathan: i am feeling good about the document right now. i have a 3 page outline.
15:15:54 <matthiassamwald> jonathan: i am iterating on that with a number of people.
15:16:06 <matthiassamwald> jonathan: this topic is not specific to biordf.
15:16:27 <matthiassamwald> jonathan: before the end of the year we should get some kind of editors draft.
15:16:47 <matthiassamwald> eric: i am optimistic that we could make a formal note out of this.
15:17:49 <matthiassamwald> eric: the editors draft can be discussed at the face to face.
15:18:03 <matthiassamwald> jonathan: the more significant the endorsement, the more impact it will have.
15:19:43 <matthiassamwald> eric: there are also many other topics in biordf. 
15:20:16 <matthiassamwald> eric: i recommend that we write a document of our experiences, possibly as a note.
15:21:45 <eneumann> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/F2F/2007/11/Agenda
15:23:23 <jar286> looks like there's 1 hour scheduled for the uri note
15:23:38 <Zakim> +Alan_Ruttenberg
15:23:46 <matthiassamwald> eric: i am still discussing with tony and eric about the agenda of the face to face.
15:25:11 <matthiassamwald> eric: the 'next steps' agenda item is important.
15:25:22 <matthiassamwald> eric: i would prefer having them early on friday.
15:26:03 <matthiassamwald> eric: can the COI discussion be pushed to friday?
15:27:03 <matthiassamwald> eric: two representatives from pharmaceutical companies can only come on one of the days.
15:28:32 <matthiassamwald> eric: can we break up the COI discussion two both days?
15:28:51 <matthiassamwald> ericp: we need vipul to make such decisions.
15:33:40 <matthiassamwald> ericp: we looked at numbers of the survey. susie and alan also looked at them. 
15:34:03 <matthiassamwald> ericp: i proposed three task forces (discussed with ivan).
15:34:21 <matthiassamwald> ericp: life sciences, health care, translational medicine.
15:34:56 <matthiassamwald> ericp: we discussed about patent policy.
15:35:23 <matthiassamwald> ericp: alan suggested forming a visualisation working group.
15:35:49 <matthiassamwald> alan: i also want to look at the comments that were submitted.
15:36:25 <matthiassamwald> alan: how do we organize things so that there is a clear direction.
15:36:36 <jar286> i'm going to bow out now - tra
15:36:41 <matthiassamwald> alan: eric suggested that each group should focus on getting data into the database.
15:36:47 <Zakim> -Jonathan_Rees
15:36:55 <matthiassamwald> alan: however, this leaves out visualisation and decision support.
15:37:11 <matthiassamwald> alan: i support the idea of building an interest group instead of a working group.
15:37:35 <matthiassamwald> alan: because of patent barriers etc.
15:38:11 <matthiassamwald> alan: can more targeted, narrower working groups 'spin of' the main working groups?
15:40:09 <chimezie> Cleveland Clinic is concerned about a lack of a mandate and considers rec track work very important for consensus
15:40:22 <matthiassamwald> alan: e.g. about encoding CDISC in RDF.
15:40:46 <chimezie> we consider the problem more of an issue of how you structure the charter than a lack of participation of major players
15:42:47 <ericP> q+ to answer chime
15:43:49 <eneumann> ack ericp
15:43:49 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to answer chime
15:43:52 <Zakim> +Susie_Stephens
15:44:38 <matthiassamwald> ericp: joining a working group is more complicated for companies.
15:47:21 <matthiassamwald> alan: i would start an ontology working group as early as possible. however, we do not have very much participation from experienced people. 
15:47:48 <matthiassamwald> alan: consensus/community building around vocabularies/ontologies is important.
15:49:52 <matthiassamwald> alan: to get consensus, we would need to get some experience through talking with people from the industry.
15:52:21 <matthiassamwald> eric: i would like to see more connections to other groups (like CDISC)
15:53:08 <matthiassamwald> alan: what of the survey data will be released to the public?
15:53:22 <matthiassamwald> eric: this is up to you and susie. 
15:55:01 <matthiassamwald> ericp: the comments should not be made public.
15:57:08 <matthiassamwald> susie: maybe we could write a tutorial and turn that into a note.
15:57:40 <matthiassamwald> susie: the proposal for the tutorial needs to be submitted by the end of november
16:01:41 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:04:56 <Zakim> -tnbhat
16:04:58 <Zakim> -Eric_Neumann
16:05:00 <Zakim> -Susie_Stephens
16:05:02 <Zakim> -Alan_Ruttenberg
16:05:03 <Zakim> -EricP
16:05:07 <Zakim> -matthiassamwald
16:05:10 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
16:05:12 <Zakim> Attendees were EricP, Eric_Neumann, tnbhat, matthiassamwald, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Jonathan_Rees, Alan_Ruttenberg, Susie_Stephens
16:05:18 <eneumann> zakim, draft minutes
16:05:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'draft minutes', eneumann
16:05:27 <eneumann> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:05:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/18-hcls-minutes.html eneumann
16:05:35 <eneumann> bye rrsagent
16:05:44 <eneumann> rrsagent, bye
16:05:44 <RRSAgent> I see no action items