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12:29:23 <shadi> zakim, this will be TSD
12:29:23 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
12:29:29 <shadi> meeting: TSD TF
12:29:38 <shadi> chair: CarlosV, Chrisptophe
12:29:43 <shadi> regrets: Reinhard
12:29:48 <shadi> scribe: Shadi
12:30:18 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Oct/0001.html
12:30:30 <shadi> agenda+ Reviewing test samples for current working draft
12:30:39 <shadi> agenda+ Revisit naming convention for more stable URLs?
12:30:47 <shadi> agenda+ Test case management system
12:30:59 <shadi> agenda+ User friendly metadata view
12:31:24 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started
12:31:31 <Zakim> +Drew_LaHart
12:32:21 <Zakim> +Shadi
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12:33:39 <Zakim> +Vangelis_Vlachogiannis
12:34:36 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
12:36:04 <shadi> agenda?
12:36:47 <Zakim> +Drew
12:36:53 <Zakim> - +1.410.757.aaaa
12:37:22 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:37:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see Shadi, Vangelis_Vlachogiannis, +032163aabb, +1.703.831.aacc
12:37:31 <Drew> zakim, +1.703 is Drew
12:37:31 <Zakim> +Drew; got it
12:37:43 <shadi> zakim, aabb is really Christophe
12:37:43 <Zakim> +Christophe; got it
12:37:45 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:37:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Shadi, Vangelis_Vlachogiannis, Christophe, Drew
12:38:24 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:38:24 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Reviewing test samples for current working draft" taken up [from shadi]
12:39:09 <shadi> CS: currently ~70 test samples in the repository, all contributed by BenToWeb
12:39:18 <shadi> ...going through the Review Process
12:39:26 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/process
12:39:56 <shadi> ...we've divided these into batches for (non-BenToWeb) participants to review
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12:40:18 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/TestSampleStatusList
12:40:33 <shadi> CS: some of the samples are ready for review
12:40:48 <Drew> ok
12:40:53 <Zakim> -Vangelis_Vlachogiannis
12:40:54 <shadi> ...however, some are missing the mapping to WCAG 2.0 techniques/failures
12:40:56 <Zakim> +CarlosV
12:42:05 <shadi> Topic: Introducing Drew LaHart
12:42:19 <shadi> DLH: work for IBM ability center
12:42:32 <shadi> ...participating in WCAG WG but came late
12:42:41 <shadi> ...want to contribute to this task force
12:42:49 <shadi> CS: thanks for joining us
12:42:52 <Vangelis> \me problems with phone here :(.. following from irc
12:45:15 <shadi> DLH: how are the tests written? are they XML?
12:45:34 <shadi> CS: the XML files are the metadata, they reference the actual test files
12:45:58 <shadi> ...the metadata describe several other things such as expected result etc
12:46:18 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL
12:47:54 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
12:48:01 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Oct/0002.html
12:49:31 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Oct/att-0002/sc1.2.1_l1_001.20071015.html
12:51:05 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/xhtml/metadata/sc1.2.1_l1_001.xml
12:51:20 <shadi> - <files>
12:51:20 <shadi>   <file xlink:href="../testfiles/sc1.2.1_l1_001.html" /> 
12:51:20 <shadi>   </files>
12:52:26 <shadi> CS: working on an HTML view to visualize the XML data
12:54:38 <shadi> DLH: what WCAG 2.0 version are we working from?
12:55:08 <shadi> CS: from the last call working draft of 2006
12:56:37 <shadi> SAZ: part of the review is to look out for that
12:58:27 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:58:27 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Reviewing test samples for current working draft" taken up [from shadi]
12:59:20 <shadi> CS: if not technique/failure mapping is in the XML, then its status should be marked as "deprecated"
12:59:55 <shadi> DLH: i'd volunteer if i can help
13:00:31 <shadi> action: SAZ set up CVS account for Drew
13:00:50 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/
13:01:50 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL
13:02:58 <shadi> action: CS send description of action item to DLH
13:04:13 <shadi> DLH: so my action is to go through the XML and check the reference to the techniques?
13:04:45 <shadi> <technique id="F8" xlink:href="http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20070517/#F8" /> 
13:05:20 <shadi> DLH: to the 2006 or 2007 draft?
13:05:26 <shadi> CS: the 2007 draft
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13:06:43 <shadi> CS: we still need reviewing of the test samples
13:06:44 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/TestSampleStatusList#
13:07:58 <shadi> SAZ: there was an issue with these?
13:08:16 <shadi> CS: some had "cannot tell" as output, other had no mapping
13:08:22 <shadi> ...should be fixed now
13:09:30 <shadi> action: SAZ will review all test samples marked "Update 03"
13:10:32 <shadi> s/marked "Update 03"/marked "reviewer 03"
13:11:29 <shadi> action: TB continue working on "reviewer 01" tests
13:12:41 <shadi> action: CV check with CI on taking a batch too
13:13:29 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 1
13:13:29 <Zakim> agendum 1, Reviewing test samples for current working draft, closed
13:13:30 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:13:31 <Zakim> 2. Revisit naming convention for more stable URLs? [from shadi]
13:13:42 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
13:13:42 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Revisit naming convention for more stable URLs?" taken up [from shadi]
13:14:12 <shadi> CS: applies to the ID attribute in the metadata files, as well as the file names
13:14:33 <shadi> ...wanted to discuss with MC and SAZ, both had different opinions
13:16:31 <shadi> SAZ: not opposed, just concerned about the amount of work vs benefit
13:16:38 <shadi> ...but better to do now than later
13:16:52 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 2
13:16:52 <Zakim> agendum 2, Revisit naming convention for more stable URLs?, closed
13:16:53 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
13:16:54 <Zakim> 3. Test case management system [from shadi]
13:17:06 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
13:17:06 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Test case management system" taken up [from shadi]
13:17:21 <shadi> CS: right now we used the wiki to manage the tests
13:17:39 <shadi> ...working for current small amount of tests
13:17:49 <shadi> ...need to think about growth and scalability
13:18:03 <shadi> CS: was looking into Testopia
13:19:49 <shadi> SAZ: MWI folks are developing hand-grown scripts and tools
13:20:44 <shadi> ...always the question of developing or adopting quirks
13:21:12 <shadi> ...systems team could install it for us, but we will need to configure and maintain it
13:22:17 <shadi> CS: requires perl, who knows perl?
13:23:46 <shadi> SAZ: think we may need to stick to wiki until contribution or critical mass to work on something
13:23:57 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:23:57 <Zakim> agendum 4. "User friendly metadata view" taken up [from shadi]
13:24:10 <shadi> CS: send example, SAZ sent comments
13:24:53 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2007Oct/att-0003/temp.html
13:25:16 <shadi> CS: will work on SAZ comments, and send updated version
13:26:39 <shadi> action: CS send updated version of the HTML view
13:26:56 <shadi> action: all review HTML view once CS sends it out
13:29:53 <shadi> next call on tuesday 30  october
13:29:58 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
13:30:06 <Zakim> -Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
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13:37:48 <Zakim> ... cause hardship."
13:43:22 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:43:23 <Zakim> -Drew
13:43:23 <Zakim> -Christophe
13:43:25 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended
13:43:27 <Zakim> Attendees were Drew_LaHart, Shadi, Vangelis_Vlachogiannis, Christophe_Strobbe, Drew, Christophe, CarlosV, Tim_Boland
13:43:31 <shadi> zakim, bye
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13:43:38 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
13:43:42 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
13:43:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi
13:43:43 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
13:43:47 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
13:43:47 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-actions.rdf :
13:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ set up CVS account for Drew [1]
13:43:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-irc#T13-00-31
13:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CS send description of action item to DLH [2]
13:43:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-irc#T13-02-58
13:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ will review all test samples marked "Update 03" [3]
13:43:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-irc#T13-09-30
13:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: TB continue working on "reviewer 01" tests [4]
13:43:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-irc#T13-11-29
13:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CV check with CI on taking a batch too [5]
13:43:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-irc#T13-12-41
13:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CS send updated version of the HTML view [6]
13:43:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-irc#T13-26-39
13:43:47 <RRSAgent> ACTION: all review HTML view once CS sends it out [7]
13:43:47 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/16-tsdtf-irc#T13-26-56