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14:11:00 <jo> Meeting: Content Transformation Task Force
14:11:07 <AndrewSwainston> Zakim, aacc is me
14:11:07 <Zakim> +AndrewSwainston; got it
14:11:22 <jo> Chair: Jo
14:11:48 <jo> Date: 2007-10-16
14:11:54 <jo> Regrets: Rhys
14:12:13 <jo> Present: Jo, Andrew, Sean_Patterson
14:12:47 <Bryan> here
14:12:49 <jo> zakim, who is here?
14:12:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, SeanPatterson, jo, AndrewSwainston
14:12:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see AndrewSwainston, Bryan, RRSAgent, SeanPatterson, Zakim, jo, matt, trackbot-ng
14:13:01 <jo> zakim, ??P3 is Bryan
14:13:01 <Zakim> +Bryan; got it
14:15:14 <jo> Scribe: Jo
14:15:36 <jo> Topic: ACTION-575 Identify Possible Techniques
14:15:48 <jo> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/575 ACTION-575
14:16:49 <Zakim> -jo
14:17:11 <Zakim> -SeanPatterson
14:18:07 <Zakim> +SeanPatterson
14:18:36 <Zakim> +jo
14:18:41 <Zakim> -SeanPatterson
14:19:19 <Zakim> + +1.630.773.aadd
14:19:31 <SeanPatterson> zakim, aadd is me
14:19:31 <Zakim> +SeanPatterson; got it
14:20:12 <jo> Sean: Aaron had comments on this this
14:21:03 <jo> ... clarify no 5 - this is the idea where the original header gets sent and then replaced depending ont he content?
14:21:07 <jo> jo: yes
14:21:35 <jo> sean: ok, think I need to get back by email with comments
14:21:59 <jo> jo: sure, that's what I was expecting, we need to discuss on email first
14:22:15 <jo> ... some of them are worth trying to see
14:22:24 <jo> ... if they work in a significant
14:22:25 <Bryan> q+
14:22:29 <jo> no of cases
14:23:06 <jo> ack bry
14:23:15 <jo> scribe andrew
14:23:28 <jo> scribe: andrew
14:23:46 <jo> s/scribe andrew//
14:23:57 <AndrewSwainston> Bryan: Good list. Use of HEAD does work in practice
14:24:33 <AndrewSwainston> ...particularly used for WAP1
14:26:42 <AndrewSwainston> Jo: We need a survey of how many of these options are supported
14:27:17 <AndrewSwainston> Jo: Possible issue with only changing the User-Agent
14:27:44 <AndrewSwainston> ...hence idea of sending original headers in body of a GET
14:27:56 <AndrewSwainston> ...indicated in #7
14:28:38 <Bryan> q+
14:29:02 <jo> ack bry
14:29:15 <AndrewSwainston> Sean: Would be problems with POST
14:29:45 <jo> zakim, who is making noise?
14:29:55 <Zakim> jo, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Bryan (6%)
14:30:30 <AndrewSwainston> Bryan: Have experience of using a body inside a GET - does work
14:31:10 <jo> Andrew: changing user agent is seen as being important, do we have any evidence to support that?
14:31:20 <jo> ... raised on earlier call
14:31:33 <jo> sean: we do have data I am trying to get it, will chase
14:32:06 <AndrewSwainston> Jo: Have interesting statistics but cannot currently share
14:33:17 <jo> andrew: CT PRoxy should augment but not remove content types from accept header?
14:33:34 <jo> Sean: I guess ... depends if the proxy can handle it
14:34:08 <AndrewSwainston> Jo: Need to raise as an issue in the guide lines
14:34:46 <AndrewSwainston> AndrewSwainston: Good list as focus of discussion
14:35:15 <AndrewSwainston> Jo: Missing - addition of Warn header
14:35:40 <jo> Topic: Bryan's Comments
14:36:34 <AndrewSwainston> Bryan: Question: What exactly is a CT's proxy in view of BPWG?
14:38:06 <AndrewSwainston> ...if to improve usability OK but policy may be outside BPWG
14:39:00 <AndrewSwainston> ...Example of policy is parental control, or to reduce cost of network use
14:40:19 <AndrewSwainston> ...can not assume all policy control is at ends of communication, some is in the middle
14:40:45 <jo> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2007Oct/0027.html thread with Bryan's comments
14:41:57 <AndrewSwainston> Jo: Idealy need a framework for all types of proxies but this would be outside of the BPWG domain
14:42:42 <AndrewSwainston> ...we probable have sufficient to work on if we limit ourselves to CT
14:43:30 <AndrewSwainston> Bryan: A mechanism to exchange end point requirements would cover other cases
14:44:54 <AndrewSwainston> ...Example - user goes to portal with links to a competitor's site - may want to remove links because these would not work via own network
14:45:23 <AndrewSwainston> ...Example - may need to change domain names in links to make them work
14:46:12 <AndrewSwainston> Jo: Some of these examples could fit our remit
14:46:41 <AndrewSwainston> Bryan: Happy to accept existing scope of problem statement
14:46:53 <jo> Topic: Name of Problem Staement
14:47:04 <AndrewSwainston> Jo: Suggestion that problem statement changes
14:47:12 <jo> s/Staement/Statement
14:47:28 <jo> s/Suggestion that problem statement changes/Suggestion that name of problem statement changes
14:48:17 <jo> -- Title: Proxy Transformation of Web Content
14:48:17 <jo> -- Sub-Title: Statement of Current Issues 
14:49:24 <AndrewSwainston> Jo: No one on call minds change in name
14:49:39 <jo> Topic: AOB
14:50:52 <AndrewSwainston> Jo: Will send a note reminding about weekly calls
14:51:00 <Zakim> -Bryan
14:51:02 <Zakim> -SeanPatterson
14:51:04 <Zakim> -jo
14:51:20 <Zakim> -AndrewSwainston
14:51:21 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG(BCTF)10:00AM has ended
14:51:22 <jo> rrsagent, make log public
14:51:23 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.630.414.aaaa, SeanPatterson, +020899aabb, jo, +078997aacc, AndrewSwainston, Bryan, +1.630.773.aadd
14:51:35 <jo> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:53:27 <jo> i/Jo: Need to raise/Scribe: Andrew/
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14:59:06 <jo> i/Andrew: changing/Scribe: AndrewSwainston/
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15:00:05 <jo> i/Andrew: changing/Scribe: Jo/
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15:00:46 <jo> rrsagent, bye
15:00:46 <RRSAgent> I see no action items