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13:24:19 <ivan> Meeting: SWEO Weekly telco
13:24:22 <ivan> Chair: Ivan
13:24:31 <ivan> Scribe: Kjetil
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13:51:07 <LeeF> hi ivan :)
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13:53:49 <ivan> Regrets: Susie, Danny, Pasquale
13:54:34 <ivan> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sweo-ig/2007Oct/0029.html Agenda for the call
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13:59:38 <ivan> zakim, call ivan-home
13:59:38 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
13:59:39 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()10:00AM has now started
13:59:40 <Zakim> +Ivan
14:00:03 <Zakim> +Karen
14:00:27 <Zakim> +LeeF
14:01:04 <ivan> anybody hears me at all?
14:01:19 <Zakim> +??P20
14:01:19 <ivan> zakim, unmutes me
14:01:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmutes me', ivan
14:01:37 <bengee> zakim, ??P20 is me
14:01:37 <Zakim> +bengee; got it
14:01:55 <Zakim> +??P21
14:01:56 <LeeF> i can't hear you, ivan
14:02:14 <ivan> zakim, ??P21 is Harry
14:02:14 <Zakim> +Harry; got it
14:02:20 <ivan> nobody hears me?
14:02:22 <LeeF> nope
14:02:26 <ivan> :-(
14:02:28 <LeeF> zakim, please let ivan speak
14:02:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please let ivan speak', LeeF
14:02:30 <Zakim> -Ivan
14:02:38 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-home
14:02:38 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
14:02:39 <Zakim> +Ivan
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14:02:59 <HarryH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:02:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, Karen, LeeF, bengee, Harry
14:03:43 <Zakim> +??P26
14:03:52 <kidehen> kingsley just joined
14:03:53 <Zakim> +PaulaP
14:04:52 <LeeF> zakim, mute me please
14:04:52 <Zakim> LeeF should now be muted
14:06:20 <ivan> scribenick: Karen
14:06:35 <Karen> Ivan welcomes Harry
14:06:36 <LeeF> ack leef
14:06:57 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
14:06:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ivan, Karen, LeeF, bengee, Harry, ??P26, PaulaP (muted)
14:06:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see HarryH, kidehen, Karen, bengee, PaulaP, LeeF, RRSAgent, Zakim, ivan
14:07:27 <Karen> Harry is from University of Edinburgh, chair of GRDDL Working Group
14:07:36 <Karen> Karen is development officer, outreach and education
14:07:40 <LeeF> zakim, mute me
14:07:40 <Zakim> LeeF should now be muted
14:07:47 <Karen> Benjamin Nowak, PHP, works from Germany
14:07:57 <Karen> Kingsley 
14:08:22 <Karen> Paula works on standardization activities; EU network of excellence; located at Univ. of Munich
14:08:49 <Karen> Ivan: Let's do GRDDL discussion
14:08:59 <Karen> ...what is needed to be done, Harry?
14:09:15 <Karen> Harry: GRDDL is now a recommendation; well supported by SW libraries; Beckets and Gena
14:09:22 <kidehen> HarryH:  for audience, what is GRDDL? 
14:09:25 <Karen> ...get GRDDL employed on XML and common formats
14:09:39 <Karen> ...implementations are stable, good reviews from blogosphere
14:09:46 <Karen> ...need to make GRDDL transformations
14:09:51 <Karen> ...for microformats
14:10:00 <Karen> ...stabilize for trust, security, reliability
14:10:17 <Karen> ...XSLT or other language transformation from some HTML into RDF
14:10:30 <Karen> ...GRDDL has mechanism to put XSLT transformation into namespace document
14:10:54 <Karen> ...linked from namespace document; a GRDDL-aware processor checks to see if it's GRDDL enabled, and outputs the RDF automatically
14:11:04 <Karen> ...good for linked project, add more RDF to Semantic Web
14:11:15 <Karen> ...many microformat Web pages that could be RDF-ized
14:11:32 <Karen> ...main selling point of GRDDL is no additional work for the document producers and consumers
14:11:38 <Karen> ...if they use GRDDL enabled software
14:11:51 <Karen> ...I can list a number of vocabularies, I'd like to hear what people are using
14:12:05 <Karen> Ivan: In HTML world, you can also use the profile URI for the same purpose
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14:12:17 <Karen> Harry: Yes, you can consider a profile URI similar to a name space document
14:12:24 <Karen> ...you have to have HTML as root name space
14:12:33 <Karen> ...you can put a profile attribute in head, point to URI
14:12:37 <Zakim> +Melli
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14:12:42 <Karen> ...say, "there is more customized information"
14:12:49 <Karen> ...you can also put GRDDL transformations there
14:12:54 <Karen> Ivan: welcomes Melli
14:13:20 <Zakim> +Leo
14:13:21 <Karen> Melli: With database semantic technologies group at Oracle; we support W3C SW standards like RDF and OWL
14:13:33 <Karen> Ivan welcomes Leo
14:13:33 <Zakim> +??P31
14:13:41 <uldis> Zakim, ??p31 is uldis
14:13:42 <Zakim> +uldis; got it
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14:13:48 <Karen> Leo: Do SW research, lead governing task in SWEO
14:13:59 <Karen> Uldis from DERI Galway
14:14:07 <Karen> ...working on Semantically interlinked online communities
14:14:16 <Karen> Harry: One of question brought up in GRDDL work
14:14:24 <Karen> ...what Oracle's position is?
14:14:35 <Karen> ...GRDDL being new W3C standard to convert legacy data to RDF
14:14:40 <kidehen> HarryH: provide test suite URI
14:14:42 <Karen> Melli: Yes, we have talked about it
14:14:51 <Karen> ...currently we are not looking at it, but hope to look at it soon
14:14:57 <Karen> Harry: Thanks
14:15:14 <Karen> ...Question to audience, what do you have RDF transformations for already? 
14:15:25 <Karen> Ivan: any takers?
14:15:40 <Karen> Leo: EBXML
14:15:46 <HarryH> ebXML?
14:15:53 <Karen> ...Electronic Business Exchange Format
14:15:56 <HarryH> RDF transform?
14:15:59 <Karen> ...business cases are interesting
14:16:00 <kidehen> HarryH: XBRL
14:16:07 <Karen> ...we could not talk about doing geo or photos
14:16:16 <HarryH> geo XML format?
14:16:18 <Karen> Harry: Geo XML format is standardized?
14:16:23 <leobard> geordf is from w3c
14:16:24 <Karen> Geo microformat
14:16:38 <Karen> Ivan: Kingsley put in XBRL
14:16:40 <Karen> q+
14:16:48 <Karen> Harry: Do we have a transform for XBRL?
14:17:00 <Karen> XBRL ontology; we're working on this in the background
14:17:09 <Karen> ...you have these XML schemas for these XML documents
14:17:13 <ivan> ack karen
14:17:14 <Karen> ...we don't have anything right now
14:17:17 <bengee> q+
14:18:45 <Karen> Karen: mentions Graham Rong at MIT Sloan's interest in XBRL
14:18:54 <Karen> Kingsley: How can we get W3C involved?
14:19:05 <Karen> ...I'm doing this with Graham; I met him at SemWeb gathering
14:19:17 <Karen> ...he is not further than other participants in XBRL ontology
14:19:30 <ivan> ack bengee
14:19:34 <Karen> ...Kingsley to send Karen email on XBRL subject
14:19:54 <kidehen> bengee
14:20:07 <Karen> Bengee: Can we provide hooks to non-XSLT transformations?
14:20:24 <Karen> ...build from broken HTML; apply a parser like transformation; written in PHP
14:20:32 <Karen> Harry: Throw me a link to that
14:20:42 <Karen> ...We support XSLT because that's what everyone was using
14:20:51 <Karen> ...we could use PHP methodology to test
14:20:57 <Karen> Ivan: Do we have a GRDDL engine?
14:21:15 <Karen> Harry: No, all the test cases are written using XSLT; I can ask Andy and Dave Beckett
14:21:29 <Karen> ...not sure how difficult it would be to call an [] processor
14:21:48 <Karen> Bengee: If it doesn't work; one issue I had was deciding how to transform microformats to RDF
14:22:10 <Karen> ...from SWEO perspective, we could point people tomappings for selective vocabularies; get the same output
14:22:46 <Karen> Harry: Microformats in theory, no resistence from community to use GRDDL; but what needs to be done is stabilizing the RDF mapping of the microformats
14:22:54 <HarryH> hCal microformat
14:22:56 <Karen> ...often the RDF vocabulary is unclear
14:22:58 <HarryH> RDFCalendar
14:23:03 <Karen> ...map into RDF calendar
14:23:06 <leobard> q+
14:23:09 <Karen> ...I haven't seen much coming out
14:23:15 <Karen> ...wonder if SWEO is monitoring that
14:23:20 <Karen> Kingsley: I use it
14:23:35 <Karen> Ivan: Action Bengee, please send references on PHP to Harry
14:23:39 <ivan> action: bengee to send references of the PHP stuff to Harry
14:23:56 <Karen> Bengee: Are you using XSLT?
14:24:11 <Karen> Kingsley: We start off with GRDDL-based; also home-grown
14:24:20 <HarryH> RDFCalendar W3C Note: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfcal/
14:24:26 <ivan> ack leo
14:24:27 <leobard> just for the note: with Bengees thing, GRDDL may not be needed at all, you just could add a link "REL" on top, adding the current URL as referrer/parameter for Bengees web-service
14:24:28 <Karen> ...and [] based; we'll expose what we're mapping to in a document
14:24:33 <Karen> Leo: Two things:
14:24:44 <kidehen> bengee: I'll put out Sponger paper in the next day or so
14:24:49 <Karen> ...All GRDDL is about transforming links on top of document
14:24:55 <Karen> ...add these transform links to document
14:25:08 <Karen> ...add transform statement; then point to Web service with Web link
14:25:25 <Karen> ...and point to Bengee's Web Service; user agent will go up rail and get transformation from there
14:25:25 <kidehen> bengee: it will contain list of GRDDL-XSLT, HomeGrown-XSLT, and our native PL RDFizers
14:25:47 <Karen> ...As SWEO, what people need to do is add GRDDL to their Web sites
14:26:01 <Karen> ...we need people need to add transform links; is this correct?
14:26:07 <Karen> Harry: you can put link to XSLT 
14:26:21 <Karen> ...get everyone to support that; name space document so you don't have to add a transform
14:26:29 <Karen> ...transform to RDF without additional work
14:26:48 <Karen> Leo: Inform people about name space document
14:27:03 <Karen> Harry: may be easier to do that than go after document producers directly
14:27:09 <Karen> ...get network effect of key users
14:27:13 <HarryH> Atom - Danny Ayers
14:27:16 <Karen> ...Danny Ayers is looking at Atom
14:27:21 <Karen> ...Dublin Core would support
14:27:22 <HarryH> Dublin core said they support it..
14:27:27 <HarryH> hCard
14:27:33 <Karen> ...already supports it
14:27:40 <Karen> Ivan: Where are we with stable V card?
14:27:45 <Karen> Harry: I think we are close
14:27:54 <Karen> ...also microformats I'm not sure how to map
14:27:56 <HarryH> hReview 
14:27:58 <HarryH> Tom Heath
14:28:04 <Karen> ...we need an RDF vocabulary for Hreview
14:28:04 <HarryH> Tagging
14:28:07 <Karen> ...RDF needed
14:28:11 <Karen> ...Tom Gruber working on that
14:28:13 <HarryH> Tom Gruber TagCommons SCOT project
14:28:19 <kidehen> HarryH:  SCOT for tags
14:28:20 <HarryH> relTag
14:28:23 <Karen> ...low hanging fruit 
14:28:27 <leobard> we also have skos for tags
14:28:28 <HarryH> geo 
14:28:32 <HarryH> geoRDF stable?
14:28:39 <HarryH> URI?
14:28:52 <uldis> http:/scot-project.org/ 
14:28:58 <leobard> http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#
14:29:11 <Karen> Harry: what's lacking is XSLTs and stabilization
14:29:18 <Karen> Ivan: What should be done to get the word out?
14:29:24 <Karen> ...I maintain a site on Semantic Web tools
14:29:30 <Karen> ...no reference right now on GRDDL
14:29:41 <Karen> ...you have collected information on GRDDL tools; good to put on site
14:29:44 <ivan> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebTools sem web tools
14:29:55 <Karen> ...put a reference to other pages, or incorporate to this
14:30:00 <Karen> ...we try to keep this site up to date
14:30:13 <Karen> ...start from there, find good information on which microformats are properly transformable
14:30:22 <Karen> Harry: On GRDDL home page
14:30:26 <HarryH> GRDDL WG: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/
14:30:36 <leobard> hay, are there any pointy powerpoints about GRDDL?
14:30:37 <Karen> ...get to GRDDL primer
14:30:47 <HarryH> GRDDL Primer: http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-primer/
14:30:49 <Karen> ...has lots of examples of things people can run using online Web Services
14:30:55 <Karen> ...also have a tutorial
14:31:01 <Karen> ...Dan Connolly and I did
14:31:07 <Karen> ...welcome to edit slides
14:31:12 <HarryH> GRDDL Tutorial: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/tut7/gtut#(1)
14:31:14 <Karen> ...also links to papers
14:31:29 <Karen> ...that use GRDDL; like Henry Thomson's work; lots of educational material
14:31:36 <Karen> ...key adopters and blogs to get the word out
14:31:36 <HarryH> GRDDLize any pages you have as well?
14:31:48 <Karen> Ivan: Specifically, who and how should we move on about tools on tool page?
14:31:57 <Karen> ...will you take action?
14:32:12 <Karen> Harry: Tools; there is a list of GRDDL implementations
14:32:18 <HarryH> http://esw.w3.org/topic/GrddlImplementations
14:32:20 <Karen> ...what more precisely do you need?
14:32:30 <Karen> Ivan: Many people start with Semantic Web tools
14:32:42 <Karen> ...we need a reference to link the tools; wiki page
14:32:51 <Karen> ...also have somewhere a list of those microformats
14:32:57 <Karen> ...that are GRDDL-able
14:33:01 <Karen> Harry: yes, we can link that
14:33:14 <Karen> Ivan: We should put this information into our database, Leo
14:33:26 <Karen> Leo: yes, no problem; we can do this
14:33:35 <ivan> action: harry extending tool list on the wiki
14:33:58 <ivan> action: leo look at the page of grddable microformats
14:34:26 <HarryH> GRDDL Mappings: http://esw.w3.org/topic/CustomRdfDialects
14:34:30 <Karen> Ivan: Danny is looking at collection of tutorials; please talk with him
14:34:39 <Karen> ...Does anyone know the site that Danny started?
14:34:41 <Karen> Leo: yes
14:34:49 <leobard> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/RecommendedTutorials
14:35:05 <Karen> Ivan: so we begin to collect GRDDL tutorials
14:35:07 <Karen> ...what else?
14:35:22 <Karen> ...there is now a GRDDL button from the logo project
14:35:33 <Karen> Harry: Can someone send me the link?
14:35:43 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/sw-logos.html logos
14:35:54 <Karen> ...all the SW logos
14:36:10 <Karen> ...separate work on application of logos
14:36:18 <Karen> ...What else can SWEO do?
14:36:32 <Karen> Harry: Pass off some key contact people to SWEO
14:36:44 <Karen> ...Kingsley, XBRL project perhaps?
14:36:58 <Karen> Kingsley: we need to get URIs done for companies; stock exchange symbols for example
14:37:06 <Karen> ...we are plodding along; it's a large project
14:37:20 <Karen> Harry: It would be useful to monitor progress of GRDDL-izing Atom
14:37:37 <Karen> ...Danny Ayers is key person for that
14:37:46 <Karen> Ivan: the current charter of SWEO runs out in March
14:37:55 <Karen> ...how information is maintained long-term is another discussion
14:38:01 <leobard> q+
14:38:23 <Karen> ...we need to revisit SWEO next steps
14:38:30 <Karen> Harry: Are there other SWEO deliverables?
14:38:34 <ivan> ack leo
14:38:49 <Karen> Leo: What we publish, and what will outlive us are the use cases and case studies
14:39:03 <Karen> ...we could blog more
14:39:19 <HarryH> GRDDL Use-Cases: http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-scenarios/
14:40:12 <HarryH> http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-scenarios/#scheduling_use_case
14:40:39 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/ SWEO Use Cases
14:40:55 <HarryH> Mixing Reviews with GRDDL: http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-primer/#hotel
14:41:10 <Karen> Ivan: we have real deployed SW applications, use cases
14:41:21 <Karen> ...if you know good input for that, based on GRDDL that would be great
14:41:33 <Karen> ...our current use cases are based on RDF and OWL, but nothing based on GRDDL
14:41:42 <Karen> ...it would be great to have a GRDDL case to add 
14:41:50 <HarryH> SWEO: outreach?
14:41:51 <Karen> Harry: Part of job as SWEO is outreach, yes?
14:42:00 <HarryH> To outreach to actually makes these use-cases.
14:42:04 <HarryH> Revyu
14:42:09 <Karen> ...by Tom Heath
14:42:18 <HarryH> Someone to stabilize for RDF review vocabulary
14:42:27 <Karen> ...his site uses Microformats
14:42:41 <Karen> ...that would make mixing reviews a real-world use case with real live data
14:42:46 <Karen> ...anyone could use and find useful
14:43:07 <HarryH> http://revyu.com/
14:43:11 <Karen> ...As GRDDL winds down, we have limited resources now; perhaps someone can contact Tom
14:43:26 <Karen> Ivan: We are talking different things
14:43:29 <leobard> we could publish a challenge: grddlize a website and prove of some useful thing that can now be done
14:43:32 <HarryH> HP does with GRDDL internally?
14:43:46 <Karen> Ivan: In which operation is GRDDL already used?
14:43:47 <HarryH> The only organization that uses GRDDL internally is the W3C.
14:43:58 <HarryH> Outreach the problem.
14:44:00 <leobard> q+
14:44:01 <HarryH> GRDDL Rec status.
14:44:17 <kidehen> HarryH:  OpenLink uses GRDDL in it's Sponger Middleware 
14:44:18 <Karen> ...it just reached rec status; if SWEO had spare cycles, it would be good use of time
14:44:22 <Karen> ...I don't know of some
14:44:23 <ivan> ack leo
14:44:27 <Karen> Leo: What we could do
14:44:35 <Karen> ...pose another challenge for a community project
14:45:18 <Karen> ...people blog about it
14:45:37 <Karen> Harry: There are several large calendaring sites that use Microformats
14:45:47 <Karen> Kingsley: Upcoming, Eventful
14:45:54 <HarryH> Eventful and Upcoming use micro-format?
14:46:01 <HarryH> Use the profile URI in their website?
14:46:04 <Karen> Harry: Yes, these are microformat based; could be useful to ask if they want to use profile URI in Web site
14:46:11 <HarryH> That would be more real data.
14:46:18 <Karen> Leo: One page abstract of how it works would be good
14:46:25 <Karen> ...then we publish this as a challenge
14:46:27 <bengee> we need the profile URLs first, though
14:46:29 <Karen> ...hope a small hacker does it
14:46:37 <bengee> sweo is not really producing code
14:46:45 <Karen> Kingsley: I think there is a Firefox plug-in for GRDDL?
14:47:08 <HarryH> Firefox plug-in creators in SWEO - Operator is supported?
14:47:22 <Karen> Harry: Another way to do it, contact people who run Eventful and Upcoming directly
14:47:27 <Karen> ...they have contact pages
14:47:28 <HarryH> Contact Eventful and Upcoming.org directly? 
14:47:35 <Karen> ...no, we don't have personal contacts to them
14:47:45 <leobard> +1 for contacting the eventful and upcoming people, thats nice
14:48:19 <Karen> Kingsley: What I think we need is somebody to do a plain English demonstration
14:48:25 <Karen> ...of how GRDDL exposes the dataweb
14:48:30 <kidehen> all: http://www.openlinksw.com/dataspace/kidehen@openlinksw.com/weblog/kidehen@openlinksw.com%27s%20BLOG%20%5B127%5D/1258
14:48:32 <Karen> ...here is link of guy
14:48:44 <kidehen> http://www.commoncraft.com/video-social-networking
14:48:52 <Karen> ...let's look at social networking
14:48:56 <Karen> ...I spoke with this guy
14:49:05 <Karen> ...If we can get him to take something simple to demonstrate
14:49:07 <HarryH> Contact Eventful: http://about.eventful.com/contact.html
14:49:12 <Karen> ...show how SW can crystalize
14:49:20 <Karen> ...that would be great education and outreach
14:49:23 <Karen> ...watch the clips
14:49:26 <Karen> Harry: yes, I'll look
14:49:50 <Karen> ...One-page challenge; contact people would be good
14:49:55 <Karen> Ivan: So question is, who is that?
14:50:05 <Karen> ...who can write this challenge text?
14:50:18 <Karen> Kingsley: I don't think that's the issue
14:50:38 <Karen> ...Impact of GRDDL is not new, just needs more collateral
14:50:44 <Karen> Harry: People just need to know about it
14:51:04 <Karen> Kingsley: Challenges are not way to convey the message; it's about communication
14:51:24 <Karen> Ivan: You have to have people know how to use it in practice
14:51:39 <Karen> ...challenge idea is that someone comes up with a challenging implementation of some ideas; then add those lines
14:51:54 <Karen> Kingsley: I don't know how many people on this call have looked at the GRDDL work
14:51:58 <Karen> ...I don't know who will respond
14:52:07 <Karen> ...who can produce anything better?
14:52:23 <Karen> Harry: Get current Web sites that are Microformat supported, you can blog about it
14:52:51 <Karen> Kingsley: Get users to adopt, have to show value
14:53:00 <Karen> Harry: XTech used it after we contacted them
14:53:07 <Karen> ...they GRDDL-enabled their pages
14:53:12 <HarryH> http://2007.xtech.org/public/news
14:53:14 <Karen> ...to them it's a few minutes of their time
14:53:22 <HarryH> Adding profile @?
14:53:25 <HarryH> Very simple
14:53:37 <Karen> Ivan: Problem is XTech; those are hackers; we have to convince people outside that circle
14:53:51 <Karen> ...that it's worthwhile to do; provide convincing things they can do with it
14:53:59 <Karen> ...challenge idea of Leo is in this direciton
14:54:07 <Karen> Harry: I have five more minutes
14:54:20 <Karen> ...I would support a challenge if someone else writes it up
14:54:35 <Karen> ...someone should ping players who support microformats; ask to add profile to their site
14:54:52 <kidehen> HarryH:  Do you have list of web hubs that you would like to incorporate GRDDL? A list will help
14:55:04 <Karen> ...if anyone does get XSLT; read primer, how to GRDDL upgrade XML vocabulary
14:55:10 <Karen> ...Eventful is first on my list to contact
14:55:21 <kidehen> Ivan: ditto re. players that you think would need convincing etc?
14:55:21 <Karen> ...Flickr supports 
14:55:29 <bengee> one problem is that even individual (low-size) sites are reluctant to add profile URLs to their personal mf-enabled sites
14:55:41 <HarryH> Revyu?
14:55:54 <Karen> Ivan: who thinks they can write the challenge text?
14:56:06 <Karen> ...or we can ask on mailing list
14:56:23 <Karen> Ivan: Bengee, can you write email to SWEO list?
14:56:24 <kidehen> HarryH:  Revyu we can deal with once we have the Ontology etc..
14:56:37 <HarryH> LinkedIn uses hResume, but we don't have a Resume RDF vocabulary to my knowledge..
14:56:49 <Karen> Action Leo: write to SWEOmailing list
14:57:01 <Karen> Ivan: next, we have to write contact persons
14:57:15 <kidehen> HarryH:  Uldis has a Vocabulary that may be useful
14:57:23 <bengee> we need a non-microformats use case that shows GRDDL's utility
14:57:43 <Karen> Kingsley: Give me the names and I can contact them
14:57:58 <Karen> ...make a list 
14:58:24 <Karen> Harry: Dan Connolly has talked to people at LinkedIn
14:58:24 <HarryH> Revyu, LinkedIn, Eventful, Flickr. I just don't know names. I'd e-mail Dan Connolly and e-mail Brian Suda about the Web 2.0 services.
14:58:37 <Karen> Ivan: Would it be possible to put it on the GRDDL group call?
14:58:44 <Zakim> -PaulaP
14:58:49 <Karen> Harry: What's needed is for one person to be the contact point
14:58:59 <Karen> ...keep pressing this person
14:59:03 <Zakim> -LeeF
14:59:15 <HarryH> We'll try to get a list from the next GRDDL WG.
14:59:30 <Karen> Action: Harry will take to next GRDDL meeting
14:59:36 <Karen> Ivan thanks Harry
14:59:52 <Karen> ...SW logos are out
15:00:00 <Karen> ...I have updated the Activity page
15:00:04 <Karen> ...I'll add it to the blog
15:00:12 <Karen> ...this is done, it's a good job
15:00:20 <Karen> ...meeting adjourned
15:00:21 <Zakim> - +1.603.897.aabb
15:00:22 <Zakim> -Harry
15:00:22 <Zakim> -??P26
15:00:24 <Zakim> -bengee
15:00:26 <Zakim> -uldis
15:00:27 <Zakim> -Leo
15:00:57 <Karen> RSS Agent, please generate minutes
15:01:25 <Karen> RSSAgent, please generate minutes
15:01:47 <Karen> RRSAgent, please generate minutes
15:01:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-sweo-minutes.html Karen
15:02:13 <Zakim> -Karen
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15:02:19 <Zakim> Attendees were Ivan, Karen, LeeF, bengee, Harry, PaulaP, Melli, Leo, uldis
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