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14:56:53 <John_Boyer> zakim, this will be forms
14:56:53 <Zakim> ok, John_Boyer; I see HTML_Forms()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
14:56:57 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make log public
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14:57:30 <John_Boyer> Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
14:57:38 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Oct/0034.html
14:57:45 <John_Boyer> John_Boyer has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Oct/0034.html
14:57:49 <John_Boyer> Chair: John
14:57:59 <John_Boyer> Regrets: MarkS, Charlie (first half)
14:58:08 <John_Boyer> Scribe: Leigh
14:58:13 <John_Boyer> scribenick: klotz
14:58:18 <Roger> Roger has joined #forms
14:58:32 <Roger> zakim, code?
14:58:32 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Roger
14:58:34 <lars> lars has joined #forms
14:58:41 <lars> zakim, code?
14:58:41 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), lars
14:59:30 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()11:00AM has now started
14:59:37 <Zakim> +John_Boyer
14:59:52 <Zakim> +wellsk
15:00:02 <Zakim> +Svante
15:00:06 <klotz> klotz has joined #forms
15:00:27 <Rafael> Rafael has joined #forms
15:00:42 <lars> zakim, svane is lars
15:00:42 <Zakim> sorry, lars, I do not recognize a party named 'svane'
15:00:50 <lars> zakim, svante is lars
15:00:50 <Zakim> sorry, lars, I do not recognize a party named 'svante'
15:01:06 <lars> zakim, Svante is lars
15:01:06 <Zakim> sorry, lars, I do not recognize a party named 'Svante'
15:01:22 <lars> zakim, I am Svante
15:01:22 <Zakim> sorry, lars, I do not see a party named 'Svante'
15:01:23 <Zakim> +Roger
15:01:32 <lars> zakim, who is here?
15:01:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Boyer, wellsk, +1.781.272.aacc, +034912aadd
15:01:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rafael, klotz, lars, Roger, jturner, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
15:01:40 <Roger> zakim, Roger has Rafael
15:01:40 <Zakim> sorry, Roger, I do not recognize a party named 'Roger'
15:01:48 <Schnitz> Schnitz has joined #forms
15:02:00 <Schnitz> zakim, code?
15:02:09 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Schnitz
15:02:13 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
15:02:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Boyer, wellsk, +1.781.272.aacc, +034912aadd
15:02:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see Schnitz, Rafael, klotz, lars, Roger, jturner, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
15:02:54 <Zakim> +??P26
15:03:00 <Schnitz> zakim, ??p26 is me
15:03:00 <Rafael> zakim, +034912aadd is Roger
15:03:06 <Zakim> +Schnitz; got it
15:03:12 <Zakim> +Roger; got it
15:03:12 <Schnitz> zakim, mute me
15:03:19 <lars> zakim, 1.78 is lars
15:03:22 <Zakim> Schnitz should now be muted
15:03:24 <Zakim> sorry, lars, I do not recognize a party named '1.78'
15:03:24 <John_Boyer> scribenick: klotz
15:03:33 <Rafael> zakim, Roger has Rafael
15:03:33 <Zakim> +Rafael; got it
15:03:41 <lars> zakim, +1.78 is lars
15:03:41 <Zakim> +lars; got it
15:03:46 <lars> zakim, mute me
15:03:46 <Zakim> lars should now be muted
15:03:49 <unl> unl has joined #forms
15:03:59 <lars> zakim, unmute me
15:04:00 <Zakim> lars should no longer be muted
15:04:09 <Blake> Blake has joined #forms
15:04:19 <Nick> Nick has joined #Forms
15:04:29 <Nick> zakim, code?
15:04:29 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Nick
15:04:39 <Zakim> +unl
15:05:14 <Zakim> + +1.541.754.aaaa
15:05:16 <Zakim> +Leigh_Klotz
15:05:19 <Zakim> +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
15:05:30 <Nick> zakim, mute me
15:05:30 <Zakim> Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
15:05:33 <unl> zakim, mute me
15:05:33 <Zakim> sorry, unl, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:05:40 <Blake> zakim, +1541 is me
15:05:40 <Zakim> +Blake; got it
15:06:02 <lars> zakim, mute me
15:06:02 <Zakim> lars should now be muted
15:06:04 <unl> zakim, who is there
15:06:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is there', unl
15:06:05 <markbirbeck> zakim, code?
15:06:05 <Zakim> the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
15:06:47 <unl> zakim, who is on the phone
15:06:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', unl
15:06:48 <Zakim> +markbirbeck
15:07:28 <John_Boyer> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Oct/0034.html
15:07:37 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:07:37 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:07:39 <Zakim> +Steven
15:09:16 <unl> zakim, who is here?
15:09:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Boyer, wellsk, lars (muted), Roger, Schnitz (muted), Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse, Blake, Leigh_Klotz, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted), +020876aaff, Steven
15:09:19 <Zakim> Roger has Rafael
15:09:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see Nick, Blake, unl, Schnitz, Rafael, klotz, lars, Roger, jturner, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
15:09:46 <unl> zakim, Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse is me
15:09:46 <Zakim> +unl; got it
15:09:52 <unl> zakim, mute me
15:09:52 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
15:13:27 <klotz> ACTION: Steven Pemberton to push XForms 1.0 TE PER through to REC.
15:13:27 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-419 - Pemberton to push XForms 1.0 TE PER through to REC. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2007-10-17].
15:13:40 <klotz> ACTION: John Boyer to generate new status section, REC, date, and empty errata page, pubrules check for XForms 1.0 TE PR.
15:13:40 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
15:13:40 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
15:15:10 <Schnitz> yes
15:15:17 <Schnitz> DOC
15:15:23 <Schnitz> Disposition of comments
15:15:32 <Schnitz> the good thing about the system
15:15:45 <Nick> we prob. need to update the user state
15:23:01 <Schnitz> unl, ?
15:23:08 <Nick> he is muted
15:23:20 <John_Boyer> zakim, unmute unl
15:23:20 <Zakim> unl should no longer be muted
15:23:22 <Schnitz> trying to ping him...
15:23:23 <Schnitz> ah
15:23:24 <Steven> ack unl
15:23:35 <Schnitz> :-)
15:23:36 <unl> zakim, unmute me
15:23:36 <Zakim> unl was not muted, unl
15:24:56 <unl> zakim, mute me
15:24:56 <Zakim> unl should now be muted
15:25:17 <Zakim> -wellsk
15:26:36 <Zakim> +wellsk
15:28:53 <klotz> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to update Steven Pemberton's submission examples and convert them to spec xml.
15:28:54 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-420 - Klotz to update Steven Pemberton's submission examples and convert them to spec xml. [on Leigh Klotz, Jr. - due 2007-10-17].
15:29:10 <Nick> he send regrets I think
15:29:29 <John_Boyer> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Oct/0002.html
15:30:04 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is making noise?
15:30:15 <Zakim> John_Boyer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.919.254.aagg (19%), Leigh_Klotz (51%)
15:30:26 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
15:30:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Boyer, lars (muted), Roger, Schnitz (muted), unl (muted), Blake, Leigh_Klotz, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted), +020876aaff, Steven, +1.919.254.aagg
15:30:29 <Zakim> Roger has Rafael
15:30:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see Nick, Blake, unl, Schnitz, Rafael, klotz, lars, Roger, jturner, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
15:31:07 <wellsk> zakim, aagg is wellsk
15:31:07 <Zakim> +wellsk; got it
15:31:18 <lars> zakim, unmute me
15:31:18 <Zakim> lars should no longer be muted
15:32:19 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is making noise?
15:32:31 <Zakim> John_Boyer, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: wellsk (50%), lars (80%)
15:32:54 <wellsk> zakim, mute me
15:32:54 <Zakim> wellsk should now be muted
15:33:45 <lars> zakim, mute me
15:33:45 <Zakim> lars should now be muted
15:34:11 <John_Boyer> zakim, aaff is markbirbeck
15:34:11 <Zakim> +markbirbeck; got it
15:34:42 <Steven> who is +1.919.254.aagg?
15:34:52 <John_Boyer> it was wellsk
15:34:56 <Steven> ah
15:35:09 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
15:35:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Boyer, lars (muted), Roger, Schnitz (muted), unl (muted), Blake, Leigh_Klotz, Nick_van_den_Bleeken (muted), markbirbeck, Steven, wellsk (muted)
15:35:12 <Zakim> Roger has Rafael
15:35:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see Nick, Blake, unl, Schnitz, Rafael, klotz, lars, Roger, jturner, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
15:36:47 <Nick> ack me
15:39:22 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:40:08 <Charlie> Charlie has joined #forms
15:40:18 <Charlie> zakim, who is here?
15:40:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see John_Boyer, lars (muted), Roger, Schnitz (muted), unl (muted), Blake, Leigh_Klotz, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, markbirbeck, Steven, wellsk (muted), [IBM]
15:40:23 <Charlie> zakim, [IBM] is Charlie
15:40:25 <Zakim> Roger has Rafael
15:40:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see Charlie, Nick, Blake, unl, Schnitz, klotz, lars, Roger, jturner, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, wellsk, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
15:40:31 <Zakim> +Charlie; got it
15:42:24 <John_Boyer> bind nodeset="x" readonly="true()"
15:42:29 <John_Boyer> can you delete or replace x?
15:42:41 <Nick> if parent of x is not readonly
15:42:49 <John_Boyer> Or, in Nick's view, suppose x contains element y
15:42:58 <John_Boyer> then you could delete x, but not y
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15:43:19 <John_Boyer> in my case, you can't delete x, nor y (because y is readonly if its parent is readonly)
15:44:04 <ebruchez> (Hi guys, sorry about the delay I messed up timezones.)
15:46:13 <Zakim> +??P37
15:46:21 <ebruchez> zakim, ??37 is ebruchez
15:46:21 <Zakim> sorry, ebruchez, I do not recognize a party named '??37'
15:46:24 <Rafael> Rafael has joined #forms
15:46:35 <ebruchez> zakim, ??P37 is ebruchez
15:46:35 <Zakim> +ebruchez; got it
15:48:44 <John_Boyer> nodeset="x/node()" readonly="true()"
15:48:47 <Roger> good question Leigh
15:48:55 <John_Boyer> or just x/* for the elements
15:49:14 <Nick> (x/* | x/text()) ?
15:49:31 <John_Boyer> actually, use node() if you want more than elements
15:50:56 <John_Boyer> input ref="x"
15:51:07 <John_Boyer> but bind nodeset="x/text()" readonly="true()"
15:51:18 <John_Boyer> then the question is can you "replace" the text?
15:56:23 <John_Boyer> Do we want to be able to delete a readonly child of a readwrite parent?
15:57:49 <John_Boyer> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#action-delete
15:59:46 <klotz> <bind nodeset="x" readonly="@readonly='true' "/>
16:02:34 <klotz> RESOLUTION: Deletion or replacement of a node (subtree) is forbidden if the parent of a node is readonly, but allowed if only the node itself is readonly.
16:02:51 <klotz> ACTION: John Boyer to implement resolution that deletion or replacement of a node (subtree) is forbidden if the parent of a node is readonly, but allowed if only the node itself is readonly.
16:02:51 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
16:02:51 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
16:03:02 <lars> zakim, unmute me
16:03:02 <Zakim> lars should no longer be muted
16:03:02 <Schnitz> thx
16:03:05 <Schnitz> bye
16:03:05 <Roger> bye
16:03:08 <Zakim> -Charlie
16:03:09 <Zakim> -markbirbeck
16:03:10 <Zakim> -Steven
16:03:11 <Zakim> -lars
16:03:12 <Zakim> -Blake
16:03:14 <Zakim> -John_Boyer
16:03:16 <Zakim> -ebruchez
16:03:18 <Zakim> -Schnitz
16:03:20 <Zakim> -wellsk
16:03:22 <Zakim> -unl
16:03:26 <Zakim> -Leigh_Klotz
16:03:28 <Zakim> -Roger
16:03:33 <wellsk> wellsk has left #forms
16:03:34 <Zakim> -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
16:03:35 <John_Boyer> zakim, who is here?
16:03:36 <Zakim> HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended
16:03:38 <Zakim> Attendees were John_Boyer, wellsk, Svante, Schnitz, Rafael, lars, unl, +1.541.754.aaaa, Leigh_Klotz, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Blake, markbirbeck, Steven, Charlie, ebruchez
16:03:43 <Zakim> apparently HTML_Forms()11:00AM has ended, John_Boyer
16:03:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see Charlie, Nick, Blake, unl, klotz, Roger, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, markbirbeck, Steven, trackbot-ng
16:03:57 <John_Boyer> That's great, have a good time, and thanks for the updated action list!
16:04:07 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, make minutes
16:04:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
16:04:11 <John_Boyer> rrsagent, bye
16:04:11 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-forms-actions.rdf :
16:04:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steven Pemberton to push XForms 1.0 TE PER through to REC. [1]
16:04:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-forms-irc#T15-13-27
16:04:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John Boyer to generate new status section, REC, date, and empty errata page, pubrules check for XForms 1.0 TE PR. [2]
16:04:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-forms-irc#T15-13-40
16:04:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Leigh Klotz to update Steven Pemberton's submission examples and convert them to spec xml. [3]
16:04:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-forms-irc#T15-28-53
16:04:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John Boyer to implement resolution that deletion or replacement of a node (subtree) is forbidden if the parent of a node is readonly, but allowed if only the node itself is readonly. [4]
16:04:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/10-forms-irc#T16-02-51