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13:05:29 <ivan> zakim, this will be sweo
13:05:29 <Zakim> ok, ivan; I see SW_SWEO()10:00AM scheduled to start in 55 minutes
13:05:41 <ivan> Topic: SWEO IG Weekly Telco
13:05:45 <ivan> Chair: Susie
13:06:16 <ivan> Regrets: Bengee, Lee, Dunja
13:26:03 <CaptSolo> ivan: have we asked Google or Microsoft about case studies / use cases?
13:26:22 <ivan> No
13:26:31 <ivan> I do not think Google uses SW
13:26:34 <CaptSolo> should we?
13:26:48 <CaptSolo> if they do they might not want to talk about it
13:27:13 <ivan> As for MS: they use it in various research areas, that is true... but I would think it is almost impossible they would give us something like that. We can of course try if we have contacts...
13:27:24 <ivan> I tried Yahoo! (DaveB), but to no avail...
13:27:38 <CaptSolo> yeah :/
13:27:42 <ivan> at least until now
13:27:50 <CaptSolo> Yahoo also dont seem to have a group working on SemWeb technologies
13:28:04 <CaptSolo> there are people w. SemWeb knowledge, but those are all over the place
13:34:32 <LeeF> LeeF has joined #sweo
13:34:39 <LeeF> hi ivan - what's Janet's email, please?
13:36:01 <ivan> take a wild guess:-) janet@w3.org
13:36:09 <LeeF> :-)
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14:01:01 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()10:00AM has now started
14:01:02 <Zakim> +??P6
14:01:04 <leobard> leobard has joined #sweo
14:01:18 <MartinD> zakim, ??p6 is me
14:01:18 <Zakim> +MartinD; got it
14:01:31 <Zakim> +??P7
14:01:32 <Zakim> -??P7
14:01:34 <Zakim> +??P7
14:02:08 <Zakim> +??P9
14:02:12 <uldis> zakim, ??P9 is me
14:02:12 <Zakim> +uldis; got it
14:02:14 <Zakim> +Leo
14:02:22 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-617
14:02:22 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
14:02:23 <Zakim> +Ivan
14:02:26 <Zakim> +??P18
14:02:55 <ivan> zakim, P18 is Kingsley
14:02:55 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'P18'
14:03:00 <ivan> zakim, ??P18 is Kingsley
14:03:00 <Zakim> +Kingsley; got it
14:03:05 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
14:03:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see MartinD, ??P7, uldis, Leo, Ivan, Kingsley
14:03:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see leobard, MartinD, LeeF, RRSAgent, Zakim, uldis, ivan
14:03:23 <Zakim> +Melli
14:03:42 <Melli> Melli has joined #sweo
14:03:58 <Zakim> +Susie
14:05:46 <kidehen> kidehen has joined #sweo
14:06:15 <ivan> zakim, pick a victim
14:06:15 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose +1.603.886.aabb
14:08:36 <Melli> Ian Jacobs going to be working on networking across W3C, and his messaging might impact what is on the flyer
14:09:18 <Melli> He generally likes the flyer, but the life of it might be shorter than expected, because his future messaging work might impact it.
14:09:25 <danja> danja has joined #sweo
14:09:28 <Melli> So the flyer can be published soon.
14:09:38 <ivan> -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofstadter%27s_law Hofstadter's law
14:10:34 <Melli> the law says anything takes longer than expected :)
14:11:21 <Melli> completed review expected next week
14:11:41 <Melli> Logo: mistake was made in color, not the right blue, corrected logos expected this week
14:12:07 <Melli> Ideally logo and flyer should be synchronized - the flyer should include the correct logo
14:13:40 <Melli> Progress with use cases: got use case from Cleveland Clinic, being reviewed
14:14:18 <Melli> Eli Lilly - waiting for lawyers to approve
14:14:48 <Melli> Pfizer - have sent a draft
14:16:58 <Melli> BBC, Nielsen biometrics being pursued
14:17:21 <Zakim> +??P25
14:17:34 <danja> Zakim, ??P25 is danja
14:17:34 <Zakim> +danja; got it
14:18:03 <danja> (me *almost* forgot...)
14:18:52 <Melli> Information gathering: going well
14:19:32 <leobard> Action: Leo sends email to susie and SWEO members about playing with it
14:20:22 <uldis> Melli: make it Nielsen Buzzmetrics
14:20:34 <Melli> thanks!
14:20:57 <Melli> a list of all resourcs like tutorials and so on - would be useful to have in one place
14:21:53 <leobard> this is here: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/RecommendedTutorials
14:22:04 <danja> btw, this just appeared: http://www.semanticfocus.com/blog/entry/title/30-semantic-web-introductions-references-guides-and-tutorials/
14:22:24 <leobard> another list: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/DataSources
14:23:31 <leobard> openlinksw put up this list of our uploaded uris: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/Info/summary.vsp
14:23:59 <danja> Ivan mentioned the "meta" word in the email
14:24:32 <Melli> maybe there is no need for a new page, given the above links
14:25:06 <leobard> Ivan says the current state is "intermediate"
14:26:17 <Melli> Ivan: something that a beginner can use, which links to the other pages - so better organization
14:27:52 <Melli> Kingsley: make this a use case - "how do we make this vast amount of SW information available to a new user in a coherent form?"
14:28:43 <leobard> tonite, after the telco in the rihg: erdf VS rdfa
14:28:52 <Zakim> -Leo
14:28:58 <leobard> whoops,
14:29:11 <leobard> university cut me out. dialling in again....
14:29:46 <Zakim> +Leo
14:30:26 <leobard> we had the idea of visualizing an integrated portal before: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG/TaskForces/InfoGathering/PortalPlans
14:31:14 <danja> for now I'm happy to knock together a better-looking (RDFa ok) HTML rendition of the tutorial list(s)
14:35:54 <danja> leobard, kidehen, is there a (uri for) summary of the current status of infogathering?
14:36:50 <leobard> @danja: ok, I wonder what to do with the rdfa & list in the next steps. it should stay dynamic, and be updated from time to time.
14:36:58 <kidehen> leobard: I am leaving you to explain this matter re. source formats and the info gathering store
14:38:02 <leobard> you upload here: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/Info/
14:38:14 <leobard> it ends up listed here: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/Info/summary.vsp
14:38:19 <kidehen> leobard: the point being that we started with the requirement to add non RDF sources such as Ivan's RSS feeds etc.. 
14:38:24 <danja> thanks!
14:38:30 <uldis> people (newcomers) should be able to contribute to the resources list w/o expressing info in RDF
14:38:34 <leobard> and an rdf dump (it will be rdf soon): http://sweo.openlinksw.com:8892/queries/sweo-data-dump.isparql
14:38:39 <Melli> discussion on the organization of the links moved to mailing list, and Danny and Ivan will look at what to do next
14:38:49 <kidehen> uldis:  yes, and that's what the service delivers 
14:39:01 <kidehen> uldis:  this feature is what lead to a lot of delay in the project
14:39:25 <kidehen> uldis: now you can drop XHTML, HTML, and a myriad of other formats and still have RDF 
14:39:40 <uldis> kidehen: good. 
14:39:44 <kidehen> uldis:  this unfortunately is now a point of confusion :-(
14:40:00 <kidehen> uldis:  whereas it was a point of confusion when we started off expecting RDF :-(
14:40:19 <kidehen> uldis: so not having it was a problem and having it is now a problem :-(
14:40:20 <uldis> it'd be great to see more info on mailing list perhaps, as i (and others too) was not getting a complete picture of what's the argument about
14:40:35 <leobard> @kidehen: we still need the rdf dump
14:40:35 <Melli> URI document -  meet ing in Amsterdam next week and we will get a document with  changes 
14:40:53 <kidehen> leobard:  fine, so add to the todo or remind Tim
14:41:11 <leobard> @kidehen: the full repository needs to be available as http uri and rdf/xml, not html like here: http://sweo.openlinksw.com:8892/queries/sweo-data-dump.isparql
14:41:24 <leobard> @kidehen: yep, good idea
14:41:26 <uldis> kidehen: maybe just a good description of what's the issue is needed
14:41:43 <Melli> opencyc mapping to dbpedia is going to happen very shortly
14:41:56 <Melli> that was the update on the linking data project
14:42:01 <kidehen> uldis: I've tried, but it
14:42:13 <kidehen> uldis:  so I leave this to Uldis
14:42:15 <Zakim> -danja
14:42:29 <kidehen> uldis:  I mean leo :-)
14:42:51 <uldis> kidehen: ah. that was a surprise. i need to understand it first. :)
14:43:00 <danja> oops
14:43:24 <danja> someone please tell Susie "sorry"!
14:43:33 <kidehen> uldis: we have a Web Page that allows you add Info Gathering data in a myriad of RDF and non RDF formats
14:43:44 <kidehen> uldis:  that's it
14:43:45 <danja> leave action as continuing, I'll report into the the mailing list
14:43:58 <Melli> F2F:  most people are happy with the agenda
14:44:01 <kidehen> uldis:  all the data is accessible via /sparql endpoint 
14:44:07 <kidehen> uldis:  also a URI for the 
14:44:18 <kidehen> uldis:  sweo user account
14:44:23 <Melli> expecting a good participation in person in Boston, and a group from Germany will be dialing in
14:44:43 <kidehen> uldis: so the 'sweo' account has a dereferencable URI that links to all the data
14:45:27 <leobard> danja: you are not in phone, but we repeatedly talk about you, 
14:45:35 <leobard> danja: you have anything you want to say?
14:45:42 <danja> nah, will mail list
14:45:44 <leobard> shoots, too late, we are at the end already :-)
14:45:52 <danja> (nothing to report really)
14:46:15 <danja> did a little python hacking, got stuck because ivan hasn't implemented CONSTRUCT yet...
14:46:18 <leobard> danja: we could chat a little about the tutorials on #swig
14:46:23 <Zakim> - +1.603.886.aabb
14:46:24 <danja> ok
14:46:24 <Zakim> - +1.317.435.aacc
14:46:25 <Zakim> -MartinD
14:46:26 <Zakim> -uldis
14:46:27 <Zakim> -Kingsley
14:46:29 <Zakim> - +49.511.7.aadd
14:46:30 <Zakim> -Ivan
14:46:32 <Zakim> -??P7
14:46:33 <Zakim> SW_SWEO()10:00AM has ended
14:46:34 <Zakim> Attendees were MartinD, uldis, Leo, Ivan, Kingsley, Melli, Susie, danja
14:46:37 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:46:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/03-sweo-minutes.html ivan
14:46:41 <kidehen> For Minutes re. Linking Open Data Project: We are adding OpenCyc (an upper ontology) links to DBpedia (via owl:sameAs)
14:46:52 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
14:47:08 <kidehen> OpenCyC is now publishing linked data using the linked data deployment recipe from the LOD community
14:47:08 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
14:47:14 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
14:47:14 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/03-sweo-actions.rdf :
14:47:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Leo sends email to susie and SWEO members about playing with it [1]
14:47:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/03-sweo-irc#T14-19-32