IRC log of swd on 2007-09-25

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14:53:45 [TomB]

rrsagent, bookmark

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See http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T14-53-45

14:53:52 [TomB]

zakim, this will be swd

14:53:52 [Zakim]

ok, TomB, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started

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Meeting: SWD WG

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Chair: Tom

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0063.html

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Previous: http://www.w3.org/2007/10/18-swd-minutes.html

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14:56:29 [mhausenblas]

Thanks! Yes, that would be great ...

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14:57:15 [TomB]

Regrets: Al, Diego

14:58:16 [edsu]

i can sure try :)

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rrsagent, please make record public

14:59:55 [Zakim]

+[LC]

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+[LC]

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15:01:34 [Zakim]

+ +012242aaaa - is perhaps Quentin?

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+Ralph

15:02:02 [RalphS]

zakim, aaaa is Quentin

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sorry, RalphS, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'

15:02:31 [mhausenblas]

zakim, code?

15:02:37 [RalphS]

zakim, +012242aaaa is Quentin

15:02:48 [Zakim]

the conference code is 79394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), mhausenblas

15:02:48 [RalphS]

zakim, Quentin? is really Quentin

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sorry, RalphS, I do not recognize a party named '+012242aaaa'

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+??P52

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+Quentin; got it

15:03:39 [Zakim]

+??P56

15:03:49 [TomB]

zakim, ??P52 is dlrubin

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+Michael_Hausenblas

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zakim, ??P56 is me

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+Antoine_Isaac

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I already had ??P52 as dlrubin, TomB

15:04:27 [TomB]

zakim, ??P56 may be Vit

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+mhausenblas; got it

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+??P60

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I already had ??P56 as mhausenblas, TomB

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+Jon_Phipps

15:05:39 [RalphS]

zakim, dlrubin is really Vit

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+Vit; got it

15:05:57 [RalphS]

zakim, mhausenblas is really Daniel

15:06:02 [RalphS]

zakim, nick dlrubin is Daniel

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+Daniel; got it

15:06:07 [JonP]

zakim, Jon_Phipps is me

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zakim, ??p60 is Sean

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ok, RalphS, I now associate dlrubin with Daniel

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+JonP; got it

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+Sean; got it

15:06:30 [RalphS]

zakim, who's on the call?

15:06:32 [Zakim]

On the phone I see TomB, Clay, Edsu, Quentin, Ralph, Vit, Daniel, Michael_Hausenblas, Antoine_Isaac, Sean, JonP

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+1

15:08:24 [Quent]

resolved Minutes PROPOSED to accept minutes of 18 Sep telecon

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+??P72

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Zakim, ??P72 is me

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+Simone; got it

15:10:15 [Quent]

NOTE Daniel might be able to join by telcon/irc

15:11:02 [edsu]

Michael's review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0062.html

15:11:15 [edsu]

Vit's review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0061.html

15:11:27 [edsu]

Ed's review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0068.html

15:12:38 [TomB]

Michael: Cool URIs assumes RDF/XML standalone, but what about RDFa?

15:14:18 [TomB]

...for example, if you look at Figures 1 and 2, always have RDF/XML and HTML.

15:15:10 [RalphS]

q+ to propose that Michael's issue is a generic GRDDL issue

15:16:11 [Quent]

...Beside XML/RDF representation of vocabulary, is there any other method to be considered (e.g. RDFa)

15:16:12 [TomB]

ack RalphS

15:16:12 [Zakim]

RalphS, you wanted to propose that Michael's issue is a generic GRDDL issue

15:17:23 [Quent]

Ralph: Large number of documents which include RDFa

15:17:39 [TomB]

RalphS: Does this document also handle all GRDDLable documents?

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s/include RDFa/include GRDDL transform pointers/

15:18:42 [Quent]

Vit: No mention to solve ontologies but Antoine suggested it could be solved implicitly

15:19:08 [Quent]

...Solution 303 should be described in more details

15:19:08 [mhausenblas]

q+ to propose that Vit's issue may be generalised

15:19:25 [RalphS]

q+

15:19:27 [TomB]

ack mhausenblas

15:19:28 [Zakim]

mhausenblas, you wanted to propose that Vit's issue may be generalised

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ack RalphS

15:19:52 [Quent]

Michael: Scalability issues should probably be investigated

15:21:39 [TomB]

Ed: scalability did get addressed, but 303 presented as a more scalable way of doing this.

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q+

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ack RalphS

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+benadida

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RalphS: Ask for clarification about Vit's concern on solution 303

15:22:40 [TomB]

RalphS: Not clear to me from Vit's review whether 303 concerns were strictly practical, as related to text of this draft not, or architectural.

15:23:02 [TomB]

..."either you must use hash or use 303"?

15:23:24 [JonP]

303 cacheability has lately been discussed in the TAG... http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2007/07/16-minutes#item06

15:23:40 [TomB]

RalphS: gene cannot be transported on internet (i.e., a real gene)...

15:24:10 [JonP]

"Roy Fielding has spoken up to say that [303 lack of cachability] is just a bug in HTTP that should be fixed."

15:24:31 [TomB]

RalphS: If this working group disagrees with choice of hash/303, then we would need to take this up with TAG , not with authors of this note.

15:25:23 [TomB]

...can see this as a particular application of our Recipes document.

15:25:50 [TomB]

...Not everyone agrees with TAG's resolution on hash/303, so we need to formulate our opinion.

15:26:33 [Quent]

Vit: Large RDF are normally shallow dbs and was wondering about practicality of the solution 303

15:27:30 [RalphS]

[it does seem to me that the SWEO note should be citing the SWBPD Recipes WD also

15:28:27 [Quent]

ACTION: Cover note to SWEO with links to 3 reviews and summary of main point

15:30:18 [Quent]

ACTION TomB: Cover note to SWEO with links to 3 reviews and summary of main points + send to Working Group mailing list

15:30:32 [TomB]

ACTION: Guus to move ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04]

15:30:35 [TomB]

-- continues

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-Michael_Hausenblas

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ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05]

15:31:00 [Quent]

-- continues

15:31:16 [Quent]

ACTION: Alistair to state the difference between the two flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal for issue 26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action05]

15:31:21 [Quent]

-- continues

15:32:33 [Quent]

ACTION: Sean to prepare readings and discussion topics for Semantic Relation properties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action06]

15:32:37 [Quent]

-- done

15:32:39 [edsu]

Sean's notes added to the wiki: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda

15:32:58 [Quent]

ACTION: Antoine to make wiki page or list posting summarizing issues for "Concept Semantics" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action07]

15:33:27 [Quent]

-- continues

15:34:25 [Quent]

ACTION: Guus to email a proposal to the list about Issue-36 ConceptSchemeContainment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]

15:34:31 [Quent]

-- continues

15:35:13 [Quent]

ACTION: Ralph update RDFa agendum for Amsterdam f2f after discussion with RDFa TF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html#action08]

15:35:51 [Quent]

Ralph: Document has been moved from proposed reading to required reading

15:37:27 [Quent]

ACTION: Diego and Justin to review document prior to f2f

15:37:46 [RalphS]

-> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes#item02 Diego and Justin agree to review the RDFa Syntax document

15:38:07 [Quent]

ACTION: Ed to review doc b4 f2f

15:38:52 [Quent]

ACTION: Guus to raise question three from Misha's email -- statements (creator, date modified, confidence...) about statements -- with the RDFa group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action11]

15:38:55 [Quent]

-- dropped

15:40:13 [Quent]

TomB: RDFa to be discussed on Monday morning @ f2f prior to discussion on SKOS

15:40:39 [Quent]

ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/16) -- formerly known as "Recipe issue 1.3" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]

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-- continues

15:41:04 [Quent]

ACTION: Jon to clarify reading list and discussion points for Amsterdam agenda topic "Receipes" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action13]

15:42:09 [Quent]

-- done

15:42:53 [Quent]

ACTION: Elisa will configure IPTC from Misha's email into vocabulary management documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action12]

15:43:54 [Quent]

TomB: Ed pointed out that the issue was important, but Tom thinks it's out of scope of vocabulary management

15:44:14 [Quent]

Vit: No obvious connection to draft on wiki

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-- dropped

15:44:39 [Quent]

ACTION: Elisa to ask for feedback on VM draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-swd-minutes.html#action06]

15:44:43 [Quent]

-- continues

15:46:48 [vit]

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda

15:47:42 [TomB]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0051.html

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15:48:55 [RalphS]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0051.html [VocabMgt] Updated F2F agenda from Vit

15:49:29 [Quent]

Vit: will take about 30 min to present his solution

15:50:39 [Quent]

ACTION: Vit to lead discussion about Vocabulary Management @ f2f

15:52:11 [Quent]

JonP: Discussion about Recipe per say (1 hr) and a section relationship between Recipe and Cool URIs

15:52:55 [Quent]

... discussion between Recipe and related recently published document (1/2 hr)

15:54:37 [TomB]

...Recipes 2 hours if we include topic relationship to related documents

15:55:16 [Zakim]

-Sean

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-Edsu

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-Antoine_Isaac

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-benadida

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-Vit

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-Daniel

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-JonP

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-Quentin

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-Clay

15:55:33 [RalphS]

zakim, list participants

15:55:33 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been TomB, Clay, +012242aaaa, Ralph, Edsu, Quentin, Michael_Hausenblas, Antoine_Isaac, Vit, Daniel, JonP, Sean, Simone, benadida

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-Simone

15:55:46 [RalphS]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

15:55:46 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-minutes.html RalphS

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15:56:18 [RalphS]

rrsagent, please make record public

15:57:05 [RalphS]

Quentin, could you do any cleanup you feel is necessary to http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-minutes.html and mail me an edited version of that document, please?

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 17 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Cover note to SWEO with links to 3 reviews and summary of main point [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-28-27

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ACTION: TomB to Cover note to SWEO with links to 3 reviews and summary of main points + send to Working Group mailing list [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-30-18

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ACTION: Guus to move ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04] [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-30-32

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ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05] [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-30-54

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ACTION: Alistair to state the difference between the two flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal for issue 26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action05] [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-31-16

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ACTION: Sean to prepare readings and discussion topics for Semantic Relation properties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action06] [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-32-33

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ACTION: Antoine to make wiki page or list posting summarizing issues for "Concept Semantics" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action07] [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-32-58

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ACTION: Guus to email a proposal to the list about Issue-36 ConceptSchemeContainment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/24-swd-minutes.html#action01] [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-34-25

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ACTION: Ralph update RDFa agendum for Amsterdam f2f after discussion with RDFa TF [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html#action08] [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-35-13

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ACTION: Diego and Justin to review document prior to f2f [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-37-27

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ACTION: Ed to review doc b4 f2f [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-38-07

16:09:59 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Guus to raise question three from Misha's email -- statements (creator, date modified, confidence...) about statements -- with the RDFa group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action11] [12]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-38-52

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ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/16) -- formerly known as "Recipe issue 1.3" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [13]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-40-39

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ACTION: Jon to clarify reading list and discussion points for Amsterdam agenda topic "Receipes" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-swd-minutes.html#action13] [14]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-41-04

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ACTION: Elisa will configure IPTC from Misha's email into vocabulary management documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-swd-minutes.html#action12] [15]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-42-53

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ACTION: Elisa to ask for feedback on VM draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-swd-minutes.html#action06] [16]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/25-swd-irc#T15-44-39

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ACTION: Vit to lead discussion about Vocabulary Management @ f2f [17]

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-Ralph

16:11:25 [Zakim]

-TomB