IRC log of xmlsec on 2007-09-18

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be XMLSEC

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ok, trackbot-ng; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 48 minutes

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Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 18 September 2007

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zakim, code?

12:51:57 [Zakim]

the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), klanz2

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Zakim, this will be XMLSEC

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ok, jcc; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes

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Meeting: XML Security Maintenance Working Group Conference Call

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Chair: Frederick Hirsch

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Scribe: Juan Carlos Cruellas

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Chair: Thomas Roessler

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sorry Thomas...

12:54:32 [jcc]

could you post the URL for the agenda?

12:55:03 [fjh]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Sep/0013.html

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zakim, code?

12:56:27 [Zakim]

the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), PHB2

12:57:23 [tlr]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Sep/0013.html

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Should I force RRSAgent, make log public, Thomas?

12:58:28 [tlr]

yeah, you can do that

12:58:33 [jcc]

Thanks

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thanks for setting up all the bots

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RRSAgent, make log public

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T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started

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+sean

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+PHB

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+??P2

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zakim, call thomas-skype

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ok, tlr; the call is being made

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+Thomas

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zakim, who is on the phone?

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On the phone I see +1.617.876.aaaa, PHB, ??P2, Thomas

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+??P5

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zakim, ??P2 is jcc

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+jcc; got it

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+Hal_Lockhart

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zakim, ??P5 is klanz2

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+klanz2; got it

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+Ed_Simon

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zakim, aaaa is sean

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+sean; got it

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TOPIC: welcome

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TOPIC: Introduction of members / roll call

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+brich

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TOPIC Administrativia

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tlr: asks klanz2 on minutes version

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konrad: he has sent already.

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tlr: will approve next meeting

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tlr: remind booking hotel for November plenary, as there is a deadline

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tlr: 20(?) people at the workshop

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q+

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...there will be some slight changes in the final agenda. Somebody will not be able to attend

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hal: requests shift in his presentation

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tlr: anything else on workshop?

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topic: action item review

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action#26: is still open

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+??P11

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action#71. sean: still open.

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zakim, ??P11 rmiller

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I don't understand '??P11 rmiller', jcc

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zakim, ??P11 is rdmiller

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+rdmiller; got it

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zakim, ??P11 is rmiller

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I already had ??P11 as rdmiller, jcc

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zakim, ??P11 is rmiller

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I already had ??P11 as rdmiller, rmiller

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action 74: no further progress

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action 81: CLOSED

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zakim, mute me

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sorry, rmiller, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

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ACTION 82: konrad plans to close it today

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action 83: as above

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action 91 closed

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bruce: on xpointers...

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agenda+ xpointers

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...doc talks xpointer outside fragment URI notation whereas the test cases show URIs in this section.

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tlr: review afterwards

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action 90 closed

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ACTION-90 closed

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Sorry... I don't know how to close ACTION yet

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<Can you hear me

13:12:19 [esimon2]

i can hear jcc

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* i can hear but poorly

13:12:34 [klanz2]

I can hear both

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i can hear both clearly

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i can jcc intermittently

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I can hear evrybody

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thanks for clarifying

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I suspect it's a problem with my line and will drop, then reconnect.

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zakim, drop thomas

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Thomas is being disconnected

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-Thomas

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mybe type to the chat

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zakim, call thomas-skype

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ok, tlr; the call is being made

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s/mybe/maybe/

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+Thomas

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konrad, Sean and Juan Carlos coordinated incorporation of new material to the interop

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please indicate on IRC if you get voicemail

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zakim, drop thomas

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Thomas is being disconnected

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-Thomas

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zakim, call thomas-781

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ok, tlr; the call is being made

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+Thomas

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zakim, drop thomas

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Thomas is being disconnected

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-Thomas

13:14:24 [jcc]

...document... from what I have seen we all have committed new versions to the cvs

13:14:26 [tlr]

zakim, call thomas-skype

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ok, tlr; the call is being made

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+Thomas

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thomas figthing his phone ;-)

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it's dead now

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I cannot hear tlr

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zakim, call thomas-skype

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ok, tlr; the call is being made

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+Thomas.a

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ah!

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-Thomas

13:16:08 [jcc]

konrad: the document contains enough information as to allow people to start doing interop

13:16:44 [jcc]

...use firefox and they will get the output scroll bar...

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...they will get nicer view.

13:17:13 [tlr]

ACTION-91 closed

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Sorry... I don't know how to close ACTION yet

13:17:29 [sean]

q+

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konrad: we are allowed to introduce additional material if we identify it...

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ack sean

13:18:01 [hal]

q-

13:18:21 [jcc]

sean: do not see changes that he made yesterday at the document in the cvs

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s/cvs/url in the agendta/

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tlr: is the html doc the problem?

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sean: yes

13:19:17 [klanz2]

ah, herte it is Add links to test signatures in sections 3.3.4.1 and 3.3.4.1.

13:19:24 [klanz2]

I'll do that now

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tlr: transform the xml to html: konrad or jcc may do it.

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...konrad, could you please do it?

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action 92 sent that note, not feedback CLOSED

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ACTION-92 done

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action 93 konrad will do it today OPEN

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ah!

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ACTION-93 continued

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q+

13:20:58 [tlr]

zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. "xpointers" taken up [from tlr]

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I can

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can you hear me?

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ack jcc

13:21:23 [sean]

i can hear you

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I can hear jcc

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I hear you, jcc

13:22:24 [klanz2]

phone line have strange delays today

13:22:58 [jcc]

bruce: go to the html document testcases.html

13:23:14 [klanz2]

build the document, sean check if your changes are there

13:23:33 [brich]

http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmlsig-interop-doc/testcases.html

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s/build/built/

13:24:37 [klanz2]

yes brich is right

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ill just fix that now

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s/ill/I'll/

13:25:08 [jcc]

what test case?

13:25:29 [tlr]

argh, there seems to be a bunch of problems

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bruce: some "#" missed when identifying values of URI fragments.

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.

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q+

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ack sean

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SHOULD BE FIXED

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@jcc done

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bruce: all the test cases for xpointers using xpointer framework

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action: klanz2 to fix the xpointers in the xpointer framework adding the missing "#" sign to the URI fragments

13:29:21 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-94 - Fix the xpointers in the xpointer framework adding the missing \"#\" sign to the URI fragments [on Konrad Lanz - due 2007-09-25].

13:29:51 [tlr]

ACTION: sean to generate new test signatures for xpointer

13:29:51 [trackbot-ng]

Created ACTION-95 - Generate new test signatures for xpointer [on Sean Mullan - due 2007-09-25].

13:30:34 [jcc]

bruce: unclear for xpointer framework test cases whether the canonincalization is 1.0 or 1.1

13:31:22 [klanz2]

well there is a RECOMMENDATION for c14n1.1 in the spec

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in the section for reference generation

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q+

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q+

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ack klanz2

13:32:02 [sean]

+1 to konrad

13:32:12 [jcc]

The ds:Reference for enveloped signatures will contain two Transform elements, namely; the enveloped signature transform and the one indicating canonical XML 1.0 (these test cases are not designed to deal with canonical XML 1.1). The ds:Reference for enveloping signatures will contain only the second one.

13:32:20 [tlr]

ack sean

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ack tlr

13:32:59 [jcc]

bruce: agreed

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tlr: should not we have the same test cases for c14n1.1?

13:33:55 [klanz2]

updated '#' issues in http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmlsig-interop-doc/testcases.html#TestCases-SchemaBasedXPointers press shift reload

13:35:29 [sean]

q+

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ack sean

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juan carlos: xpointer framework test cases were requested without looking at the cannonicalization...

13:36:10 [jcc]

sean: these test cases should use canonicalization 1.1

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q+

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ack jcc

13:36:46 [klanz2]

The ds:Reference for enveloped signatures will contain two Transform elements, namely; the enveloped signature transform and the one indicating canonical XML 1.0 (these test cases are not designed to deal with canonical XML 1.1). The ds:Reference for enveloping signatures will contain only the second one.

13:37:20 [sean]

q+

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q?

13:38:01 [klanz2]

May I propose to use two references one using 1.0 and one using 1.1 if this has value in the defined testcases to demonstrate some difference

13:38:17 [klanz2]

if not let's just use 1.1

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ack sean

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q+

13:39:04 [jcc]

sean: should move away from 1.0

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ack klanz2

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konrad: worth to use both... in order to go deeper in behaviour.

13:40:00 [jcc]

tlr: people support using 1.1

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bruce: support 1.1. Either one would be OK. Do not see difference in process

13:40:45 [klanz2]

q+

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q+

13:41:23 [jcc]

tlr: we agree that canonicalization 1.1 should be present

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RESOLUTION: xpointer test cases to be changed to c14n 1.1

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ack klanz2

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action: klaz2 to switch xpointer test cases to c14n1.1

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Sorry, couldn't find user - klaz2

13:42:22 [jcc]

action: klanz2 to switch xpointer test cases to c14n1.1

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Created ACTION-96 - Switch xpointer test cases to c14n1.1 [on Konrad Lanz - due 2007-09-25].

13:44:14 [klanz2]

is the way the xpointer test cases are designed xml:base tested as well ?

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I will try IRC one more time; if it fails again, I'll just stay on the phone.

13:45:35 [klanz2]

iu just looked into the cvs it is not having xml:base attributes

13:45:45 [klanz2]

s/having/have/

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s/iu/I/

13:46:08 [klanz2]

no that's it

13:46:20 [tlr]

topic: Section 3.3, Implicit/Explicit rules

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http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmlsig-interop-doc/

13:46:31 [jcc]

tlr: section 3.3

13:46:57 [jcc]

konrad: three new test cases checking implicit and explicit indication of canonicalization algorithms

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...some test that should use 1.1 actually do not mention any algorithm, which by defalut means that they use 1.0

13:48:02 [tlr]

Topic: Section 3.5 DNs

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http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmlsig-interop-doc/

13:48:26 [tlr]

http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/interop/xmlsig-interop-doc/testcases.html#TestCases-DistinguishedName

13:48:40 [jcc]

sean: the test cases for this part are completed

13:48:56 [jcc]

...changed the way they were specified quite a bit and appreciate any comment on that...

13:49:27 [jcc]

..for the second part implemented 3 of the cases that seem to be the most important ones...

13:49:48 [klanz2]

Update to the XPointer test cases:

13:49:48 [klanz2]

The ds:Reference for enveloped signatures will ebventually contain two Transform elements, namely; the enveloped signature transform and the conversion from node set data to octet stream (canonical XML 1.1).

13:49:54 [jcc]

..the rest seem not to explicitly check the RFCs but only thigns nice to test

13:50:36 [tlr]

topic: xml:id, :lang, ... implementation status

13:50:40 [klanz2]

same

13:50:48 [klanz2]

not yet for xpointer and dname

13:50:48 [jcc]

sean: dropped material on these test case s in the cvs

13:51:03 [jcc]

bruce dropped signatures on xml:base and verified signatures from sean.

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jcc: try to drop some material during this week

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topic: Best Practices

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topic Best Practices

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testing

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q+

13:53:43 [hal]

ack klanz

13:54:09 [klanz2]

maybe type a few notes to the chat

13:54:25 [jcc]

esimon2: three months ago we discussed the DNs encoding and reversibility

13:54:39 [klanz2]

ed: encoding rules /issue of reversibility / security considerations /trying to get corrwect certificate

13:54:53 [klanz2]

... are the reversibility issues

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???

13:55:12 [klanz2]

... sean & ed: attrubute type makes a difference

13:55:18 [jcc]

... sean mentioned some questions, like if the attributetype makes a difference and whether

13:55:25 [jcc]

...there could be an attack on that...

13:55:28 [klanz2]

could there be an attack, when a different certificate sneaks in

13:55:36 [jcc]

..or you get a different certificate...

13:56:13 [jcc]

sean: does anyone follow the PKIX group progress?

13:56:37 [sean]

http://www.imc.org/ietf-pkix/mail-archive/msg04986.html

13:56:40 [jcc]

konrad updated the document in terms of xpointers

13:56:51 [hal]

q?

13:57:09 [hal]

ack jcc

13:57:41 [klanz2]

q+

13:58:06 [hal]

ack klanz

13:58:14 [jcc]

juan carlos: should be considered in the future

13:58:26 [jcc]

konrad: substituion attacks could be possible...

13:59:09 [hal]

q+

13:59:12 [jcc]

konrad: strict rules for requesting certificates... should not this disminish the danger?

13:59:52 [jcc]

sean: it is also a matter of accuracy: with ASN1 you are exactly referring the right certificate...

14:00:16 [sean]

s/sean/ed

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ack hal

14:00:56 [jcc]

konrda: substitution attacks are managed outside XMLDSIG (XAdES, for instance ensure data from the certificate so that substitution may be detected)

14:01:03 [Zakim]

-klanz2

14:01:08 [klanz2]

dialing in again

14:01:13 [tlr]

zakim, code?

14:01:13 [Zakim]

the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), tlr

14:01:19 [jcc]

sean: review the whole RFC of encoding DNs...

14:01:44 [Zakim]

+??P20

14:01:54 [tlr]

zakim, ??P20 is klanz2

14:01:54 [Zakim]

+klanz2; got it

14:02:08 [jcc]

sean: what we are doing in XMLDSIG is requiriung reversibility to a spec that did not pursued tahat

14:02:27 [jcc]

...we could come up witha mechanisms that grants that there is no loss of information in either way...

14:02:30 [klanz2]

is this ismilar to xml encoding rules?

14:02:40 [jcc]

next XMLDSIG versiohn should incorporate this feature

14:02:44 [klanz2]

s/isimilar/similar/

14:03:16 [tlr]

q+

14:03:19 [jcc]

hal: in Web services security... referring to a certificate is not easy ... and doing a DN comparison is something commonly done...

14:03:23 [klanz2]

q+

14:03:46 [jcc]

sean: something to investigate in the next months to come

14:03:52 [Zakim]

-Hal_Lockhart

14:03:53 [tlr]

ack klanz2

14:03:57 [tlr]

ack klanz

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q-

14:04:49 [jcc]

ed: interesting to explore this reversibility between ASN.1 and XML for DNs.

14:04:56 [jcc]

q+

14:05:04 [tlr]

ack jcc

14:05:52 [jcc]

tlr: what I heard seems to go farther than best practices

14:06:09 [jcc]

... and could be a relevant item for a future working group

14:06:32 [jcc]

ed: will not be present in workshop but yes in November, in Boston

14:06:39 [jcc]

q+

14:07:09 [Zakim]

+Hal_Lockhart

14:07:13 [klanz2]

maybe its worth to point from the wiki to the minutes

14:07:21 [jcc]

tlr: should we add this into the wiki?

14:07:30 [tlr]

ack jcc

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14:08:09 [jcc]

ed: enough with the minutes...we will have to deal with this in the future

14:08:23 [jcc]

topic: decryption transform

14:08:24 [esimon2]

I will be dialing into the WorkShop next week though I will not be there in person.

14:08:37 [tlr]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Aug/0012.html

14:09:10 [klanz2]

@ED, maybe you'd like to add the DNAME Reversibility topic here

14:09:19 [klanz2]

http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/wiki/CharterDevelopmentForSignatureEncryption

14:10:13 [jcc]

tlr: proposal for modifying decryption transform... hanging for number of days.. what people think?

14:10:19 [jcc]

... any interest on that now?

14:11:30 [klanz2]

any, luck with alex sanin ?

14:11:36 [jcc]

tlr: as we have not been able ot progress on this issue it might happen that we drop the issue

14:11:39 [jcc]

q+

14:12:06 [jcc]

konrad: asks if tlr has been in contact with Aleksej (implementer)

14:12:14 [Zakim]

+ +017814aaaa

14:12:26 [fjh2]

zakim, aaa is fjh2

14:12:26 [Zakim]

sorry, fjh2, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'

14:12:38 [fjh2]

zakim, +017814aaaa is fjh2

14:12:38 [Zakim]

+fjh2; got it

14:13:27 [klanz2]

we can close the actions to update the xpointer test cases I think

14:13:30 [tlr]

topic: Recommendation for regression tests?

14:13:41 [jcc]

tlr: come back to item 6

14:14:03 [klanz2]

q+

14:14:06 [jcc]

tlr: should interop progression tests? to incorporate xmlsig former tests conveniently updated?

14:14:22 [jcc]

q-

14:14:49 [jcc]

konrad: almost impossible to update former tests in xmlsig for incorporating c14n1.1 there

14:15:02 [esimon2]

Thomas -- I keep getting cut off IRC; please send me the raw version after the meeting ends so I can write up something re the reversibility issue re Konrad's suggestion. Thanks, Ed

14:15:02 [sean]

q+

14:15:14 [jcc]

konrad: proposes to leave them as they are as legacy test cases

14:15:16 [klanz2]

q-

14:15:16 [tlr]

q- klanz

14:15:17 [tlr]

ack sean

14:15:36 [jcc]

sean: doable, they have tools that already created all of them

14:15:53 [jcc]

sean: could modify them to nsert c14n1.1 in them...

14:16:01 [jcc]

tlr: it could be useful

14:16:21 [sean]

q+

14:16:40 [jcc]

bruce: not sure...not familiar with these tests so not able to assess their difficulty

14:16:41 [tlr]

ack sean

14:17:02 [jcc]

sean: would not be expecting the others generatign signatures, but verifying them

14:17:16 [jcc]

konrad: agree with sean if we keep this informally.

14:18:29 [klanz2]

+1

14:19:10 [jcc]

jcc +1

14:19:29 [jcc]

tlr: sean could generate these signatures and verification test cases could be performed on them

14:19:39 [jcc]

sean: will generate and drop them in the cvs

14:20:10 [jcc]

bruce: is it possible to know the format so that we may prepare the test framework?

14:20:38 [jcc]

sean: propose to generate the merlin 23 signature (the big one) with the c14n11 canonicalization there

14:20:55 [jcc]

...only the big one, not the rest

14:20:56 [klanz2]

q+

14:21:07 [tlr]

ack klanz2

14:22:21 [jcc]

konrad: sean mentioned some test cases that never were tested...would it be worth to do something on them at the interop?

14:22:37 [klanz2]

also for the ok if we have time list

14:22:49 [Zakim]

-jcc

14:22:55 [klanz2]

I can hear you okay

14:23:02 [jcc]

tlr: need for an agenda bit more formal

14:23:18 [jcc]

sorry was dropped...could anybody take mintes while I reconnect?

14:23:26 [tlr]

tlr: interop, any other business?

14:24:08 [sean]

q+

14:24:08 [tlr]

zakim, mute me

14:24:09 [Zakim]

+??P2

14:24:10 [Zakim]

sorry, tlr, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

14:24:14 [tlr]

zakim, unmute me

14:24:14 [Zakim]

sorry, tlr, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

14:24:15 [klanz2]

q-

14:24:32 [klanz2]

whois it

14:24:47 [jcc]

zakim ??P2 is jcc

14:24:51 [jcc]

zakim, ??P2 is jcc

14:24:51 [Zakim]

+jcc; got it

14:26:28 [tlr]

frederick: other participants?

14:26:32 [tlr]

klanz2: comment mailing list?

14:26:39 [tlr]

tlr: public-xmlsec-comments

14:26:43 [sean]

q-

14:27:18 [klanz2]

Action to tlr to create a small sction on the public page referring to the comments mailing list plus some list to relevant material

14:27:45 [tlr]

ACTIONS: frederick to point addtl participants at comment mailing list

14:28:02 [klanz2]

how many are there?

14:28:08 [klanz2]

fredewrick?

14:28:29 [klanz2]

s/fredewrick/Frederick/

14:28:35 [jcc]

tlr: question on organizational issues.

14:28:48 [jcc]

very few registration so far.

14:28:51 [klanz2]

just me

14:29:05 [jcc]

... who will be at the interop?

14:29:10 [sean]

just me

14:29:12 [jcc]

jcc: only me

14:29:22 [brich]

just me

14:29:27 [jcc]

tlr: thank you...that is enough

14:29:40 [jcc]

topic: any other business

14:30:14 [jcc]

brich: is there somewhere something of the type "must do" for the interop?

14:30:44 [jcc]

bruce: xml space attribute "must do", xpointers "may do"

14:30:44 [klanz2]

q+

14:30:52 [tlr]

ack klan

14:30:58 [jcc]

konrad: the more we may bring the better

14:31:06 [jcc]

q+

14:31:29 [tlr]

ack jcc

14:31:30 [jcc]

s/brich/bruce/

14:31:33 [sean]

q+

14:32:33 [tlr]

q+ klanz2

14:33:03 [brich]

my "must-do" assumption was ID, SPACE, LANG, BASE

14:33:25 [tlr]

ack sean

14:34:30 [jcc]

sean: test cases using XSLT may put problems as XSLT itself is not mandatory

14:34:31 [tlr]

ack klanz2

14:35:11 [jcc]

konrad: some test case that includes binary input in one of the transforms steps..

14:35:21 [jcc]

sean: it has to be optional at the end of the day

14:35:56 [brich]

q+

14:36:00 [jcc]

q+

14:36:26 [jcc]

tlr: the goal will be to have the things ready for progressing the canonicalization spec

14:36:39 [tlr]

ack brich

14:36:39 [jcc]

...tlr: no public report of the interop...

14:36:43 [brich]

some interops publish only impl A, B, C...

14:37:51 [jcc]

tlr: might be one way... although it will depend on the final result...

14:38:00 [tlr]

q?

14:38:02 [tlr]

ack jcc

14:38:03 [jcc]

tlr: would not like to make a decission just now

14:39:13 [klanz2]

q?

14:40:16 [klanz2]

we do need a certain number implementations and I'm confident we'll all be quite successful ...

14:40:47 [jcc]

jcc: proposes that everybody is free to decide whether is mentioned or not in the public report

14:41:13 [jcc]

tlr: need to think more about that: anonymous report as proposed by brich could be one way

14:42:15 [klanz2]

positive

14:42:28 [Zakim]

-Ed_Simon

14:44:14 [klanz2]

xmldsig/defCan-2 and xmldsig/defCan-3 contains an xslt transform and I'll put "(optional) " next to the test name

14:44:25 [Zakim]

-rdmiller

14:44:29 [jcc]

tlr: thank you everybody for attend the meeting.

14:44:33 [Zakim]

-Hal_Lockhart

14:44:33 [klanz2]

bye bye, lookin forward

14:44:36 [Zakim]

- +1.512.401.aabb

14:44:38 [Zakim]

-sean

14:44:38 [tlr]

adjourned

14:44:39 [Zakim]

-PHB

14:44:46 [tlr]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

14:44:46 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/18-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr

14:45:19 [tlr]

rrsagent, please make record public

14:46:18 [Zakim]

-jcc

14:46:25 [klanz2]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Sep/0022.html

14:46:46 [klanz2]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2007Sep/att-0022/11-xmlsec-minutes.html

14:47:02 [klanz2]

- DRAFT -

14:47:19 [Zakim]

-klanz2

14:47:22 [tlr]

zakim, who is on the phone?

14:47:22 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Thomas.a, fjh2

14:55:04 [Zakim]

This conference is in overtime; all ports must be freed

14:55:56 [Zakim]

-fjh2

14:56:00 [Zakim]

-Thomas.a

14:56:01 [Zakim]

T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended

14:56:02 [Zakim]

Attendees were sean, PHB, Thomas, jcc, Hal_Lockhart, klanz2, Ed_Simon, brich, rdmiller, Thomas.a, fjh2

15:36:23 [klanz2]

.

15:36:49 [klanz2]

Thomas, ed was refeering to soem DNAME related material he and sean drafted where can this be found?

16:41:02 [PHB2]

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