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17:53:23 <fsasaki> meeting: WS Policy (editor's)
17:59:44 <Zakim> WS_Policy(editors)2:00PM has now started
17:59:51 <Zakim> +fjh
18:00:47 <fjh> agenda - administrative, today scribe, chair, reporter next week, next week chair
18:01:56 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2007Aug/0034.html
18:03:29 <Zakim> +??P1
18:03:43 <Zakim> +Felix
18:03:47 <toufic> zakim, ??P1 is me
18:03:47 <Zakim> +toufic; got it
18:04:13 <asir> asir has joined #ws-policy-eds
18:04:15 <fsasaki> chair: Frederick
18:05:05 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:06:40 <Zakim> +Maryann_Hondo
18:07:23 <toufic> are we starting?
18:08:49 <maryann> maryann has joined #ws-policy-eds
18:08:53 <fjh> rotationMaryann, Toufic, Prasad, Asir, Dave,  Frederick
18:09:01 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2007Aug/0034.html
18:09:16 <fsasaki> scribe: maryann
18:09:23 <maryann> scribeNick: maryann
18:09:27 <fjh> chair: Frederick Hirsch
18:09:52 <fjh> Topic: Administrative
18:09:55 <maryann> TOPIC: administrative review
18:10:05 <prasad> prasad has joined #ws-policy-eds
18:10:20 <fjh> Present: Asir, Frederick, Felix, Maryann, Prasad, Toufic
18:11:19 <Zakim> +Prasad_Yendluri
18:11:38 <maryann> frederick: regrets for next week, so maryann can you chair next week and report?
18:11:42 <maryann> yes
18:12:18 <fjh> rotation Maryann, Toufic, Prasad, Asir, Dave,  Frederick
18:12:19 <maryann> frederick: need a volunteer for scribe next week
18:12:23 <asir> Action: everyone to work on the eventual WS-Policy errata format and report back to the WG
18:12:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-359 - Work on the eventual WS-Policy errata format and report back to the WG [on Everyone Everyone - due 2007-09-19].
18:12:39 <maryann> TOPIC: action item review
18:12:56 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicyeds/actions/open
18:13:02 <asir> Action: everyone to refresh the references in Primer and Guidelines
18:13:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-360 - Refresh the references in Primer and Guidelines [on Everyone Everyone - due 2007-09-19].
18:13:27 <maryann> AI, 100 is tickler
18:13:30 <asir> Action: everyone to prep a plan for moving Primer and Guidelines doc to Last Call
18:13:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-361 - Prep a plan for moving Primer and Guidelines doc to Last Call [on Everyone Everyone - due 2007-09-19].
18:13:41 <maryann> AI #331 should be closed
18:13:57 <maryann> AI #352
18:14:19 <maryann> asir: we need to update the uri's 
18:15:15 <maryann> s/331/100
18:15:39 <maryann> AI 331 and 352 still open
18:16:04 <maryann> asir: someone needs to assess whether these are still open
18:16:13 <maryann> frederick: can you do both?
18:16:21 <maryann> asir: can't commit to make changes today
18:17:00 <maryann> frederick: please reassigne 331 to everyone
18:17:11 <maryann> AI #352 should be closed
18:17:23 <maryann> AI #353 - toufic
18:17:50 <toufic> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jul/0038.html
18:17:53 <maryann> toufic: I looked at this and the question i have is ...
18:18:10 <maryann> toufic: section 5.6.1 was dropped
18:18:25 <Zakim> -toufic
18:18:37 <fjh> zakim, mute me
18:18:37 <Zakim> sorry, fjh, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
18:18:45 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
18:18:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Frederick_Hirsch, Felix, asir, Maryann_Hondo, Prasad_Yendluri
18:18:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see prasad, maryann, asir, RRSAgent, Zakim, toufic, fjh, fsasaki, trackbot
18:18:51 <fjh> zakim, Frederick_Hirsch is fjh
18:18:51 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
18:18:54 <fjh> zakim, mute me
18:18:54 <Zakim> fjh should now be muted
18:18:56 <Zakim> +Toufic_Boubez
18:19:09 <fjh> zakim, unmute me
18:19:09 <Zakim> fjh should no longer be muted
18:19:22 <toufic> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicyeds/actions/353
18:19:39 <toufic> http://www.w3.org/mid/DFBABEE2-0371-44EE-AEAB-81CF0BA0CA5F@nokia.com
18:20:01 <asir> here is the description of 353 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2007Aug/0015.html
18:20:03 <toufic> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2007Aug/0034.html
18:20:31 <toufic> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jul/0038.html
18:23:01 <toufic> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-guidelines.html?rev=1.86&content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#d3e808
18:24:37 <toufic> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-guidelines.html?rev=1.85&content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#d3e779
18:28:58 <fjh> need to edit text to match http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jul/0038.html
18:29:18 <asir> Chris' proposal message July 38 on the archive
18:29:32 <asir> amendments are at http://www.w3.org/2007/07/18-ws-policy-minutes.html#item11
18:29:46 <asir> Text is in Section 5.3.2
18:32:03 <fjh> replacing the last paragraph with the folloowing:
18:32:15 <fjh> If the assertion author had not provided for the wsp:Optional attribute to
18:32:24 <fjh> be included on the assertion, then policy expression authors would be forced to express the optionality of a behavior as two explicit policy alternatives, one with and one without that assertion when including assertions of that type in their policies.
18:32:34 <fjh> and replacing the foo:Bar assertion with a real assertion such as wsrmp:RMAssertion
18:32:42 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jun/0095.html
18:32:53 <fjh> (that was the amendment)
18:45:29 <maryann> frederick: the editors agree to the following to resolve issues 353:  the text in the proposal from chris plus the ammendment will be applied to section 5.61.
18:45:51 <maryann> s/ 5.6.1/5.3.2
18:46:02 <prasad> s/5.61/5.3.2/
18:46:03 <maryann> s/applied/updated
18:46:35 <fjh> toufic has action and will also update email thread
18:47:02 <maryann> AI 354- frederick
18:47:10 <maryann> AI 356- prasad
18:47:50 <prasad> s/356/355 & 356/
18:48:27 <maryann> AI 355, 356 is taken by prasad
18:48:33 <fsasaki> q+
18:48:36 <fjh> s/354/354, 357/
18:48:44 <fjh> ack fsasaki
18:48:45 <maryann> AI 357 - taken by frederick
18:48:48 <fsasaki> ack f
18:48:52 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2006/05/ws-addr-errata.html
18:48:54 <maryann> AI 358 - taken by maryann
18:49:05 <maryann> TOPIC: errata
18:49:20 <maryann> felix posted a reference from addressing for errata
18:49:36 <maryann> this is related to action item 359
18:50:06 <fjh> addressing errata page shows changes in a red-line format
18:50:23 <fsasaki> information to provide:
18:50:26 <fsasaki> Each entry has the following information:
18:50:28 <fsasaki>     * A unique entry number
18:50:29 <fsasaki>     * The date it was added to the errata page.
18:50:31 <fsasaki>     * The section referred to.
18:50:33 <fsasaki>     * A description of the problem and correction if applicable. Changes to the text of the spec are indicated thus: deleted text, new text, modified text .
18:50:34 <fsasaki>     * A rationale for making the change (not required for editorial errata).
18:50:52 <maryann> frederick: what determines substantive or editorial
18:51:01 <maryann> felix: that is a determiniation of the WG
18:51:16 <maryann> felix: the editors only determine how to maintain it
18:51:25 <maryann> asir: what is the task?
18:51:43 <maryann> felix: this is an html page to track proposed changes
18:52:02 <maryann> frederick: the working group determines what to accept
18:52:11 <maryann> felix: the editors just edit the page
18:52:24 <maryann> felix: how to deal with the errata is a different question
18:53:07 <maryann> asir: maybe we should have a shadow page
18:53:38 <maryann> frederick: its just a manual process to move it to the public page
18:54:10 <maryann> felix: it just needs womeone on the editorial team to edit it
18:54:18 <maryann> s/womeone/someon
18:54:53 <fjh> simply html page that is checked in to cvs to display on public page
18:55:06 <maryann> toufic: needs to drop
18:55:13 <fjh> could have two cvs checkins to move from one place to another to have staging, not clear if needed
18:55:19 <maryann> touric: sent a note in reply to the thread from paul
18:55:22 <Zakim> -Toufic_Boubez
18:56:03 <maryann> frederick: we still need to come up with a plan to get guidelines & primer to last call but we need to move that to the agenda for next week
18:56:25 <maryann> frederick: the question today about the errata is needed for the WG
18:58:13 <maryann> frederick: proposing that we respond to the WG to accept the format as per ws-addressing, and the editors will manage the edits, and there is still some discussion of exactly how to do this
18:58:31 <maryann> asir: how is xslt dealing with this?
18:58:40 <fjh> after Policy WG closes Maintenance WG should take responsibility
18:58:57 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/2005/01/soap12-mtom-errata
18:59:48 <maryann> felix: xmlp is using the same format
19:00:03 <fsasaki> (except change marks)
19:00:49 <fjh> Summary: agree to format used by WS-Addressing, including red-lined format. Editors will mange edits, all editorial team has access.
19:01:12 <fjh> Mechanism is to edit a single HTML file maintained in CVS and once checked in visible to web. 
19:01:22 <maryann> felix: ask the working group if they want staging
19:01:26 <fjh> Decision by WG/Chairs needed regarding staging. 
19:02:03 <fjh> After WG life maintained by WS-Core
19:02:07 <maryann> frederick to send email to WG --and Maryann to point to this mail as reporter next week
19:02:28 <maryann> frederick: AOB?
19:02:50 <maryann> frederick: next call we'll pick up with anymore issues and a plan to get to REC
19:03:22 <maryann> asir: by next week hopefully all the issues will be closed
19:04:51 <fjh> proposal - plan to get work done by 21st.
19:05:00 <Zakim> -Maryann_Hondo
19:05:35 <maryann> :-)
19:05:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/12-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html fsasaki
19:05:52 <maryann> yes, i can type but I had to hang up the phone
19:06:07 <prasad> ok bye
19:06:10 <maryann> thank you felix!!!! couldn't do it without you
19:06:15 <Zakim> -Felix
19:06:17 <Zakim> -Prasad_Yendluri
19:06:24 <maryann> maryann has left #ws-policy-eds
19:06:34 <Zakim> -fjh
19:08:02 <Zakim> -asir
19:08:03 <Zakim> WS_Policy(editors)2:00PM has ended
19:08:04 <Zakim> Attendees were fjh, Felix, toufic, [Microsoft], asir, Maryann_Hondo, Prasad_Yendluri, Toufic_Boubez
19:09:32 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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19:09:35 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
19:09:35 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/12-ws-policy-eds-actions.rdf :
19:09:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: everyone to work on the eventual WS-Policy errata format and report back to the WG [1]
19:09:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/12-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-12-23
19:09:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: everyone to refresh the references in Primer and Guidelines [2]
19:09:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/12-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-13-02
19:09:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: everyone to prep a plan for moving Primer and Guidelines doc to Last Call [3]
19:09:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/12-ws-policy-eds-irc#T18-13-30