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13:59:32 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be BPWG
13:59:32 <Zakim> ok, trackbot-ng; I see MWI_BPWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
13:59:33 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:59:35 <trackbot-ng> Date: 11 September 2007
13:59:53 <jo> rrsagent, make logs member
14:00:22 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has now started
14:00:23 <jo> Chair: Jo
14:00:26 <Zakim> + +1.519.880.aaaa
14:00:29 <kemp> zakim says i am the only one on the bridge
14:00:38 <kemp> this seems unlikely to me
14:00:39 <jo> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2007Sep/0001.html
14:00:49 <jo> zakim, who is here?
14:00:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.519.880.aaaa
14:00:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, jo, kemp, abel, matt, trackbot-ng
14:01:02 <Magnus> Magnus has joined #bpwg
14:01:11 <kemp> yes
14:01:14 <jo> OK
14:01:23 <jo> zakim, aaaa is kemp
14:01:28 <Zakim> +kemp; got it
14:01:32 <jo> zakim, code?
14:01:40 <Zakim> the conference code is 2283 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
14:02:10 <Zakim> +jo
14:02:13 <Zakim> -kemp
14:02:15 <Zakim> +kemp
14:02:23 <Zakim> +Magnus_Lonnroth
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14:02:55 <abel> zakim, Rodrigo is me
14:02:55 <Zakim> +abel; got it
14:03:49 <Zakim> + +078997aabb
14:03:53 <Zakim> + +079320aacc
14:04:11 <Zakim> +SeanPatterson
14:04:24 <jo> zakim, aabb is Andrew
14:04:24 <Zakim> sorry, jo, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
14:04:40 <jo> zakim, aacc is Rob
14:04:40 <Zakim> +Rob; got it
14:04:46 <jo> zakim, who is here?
14:04:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see kemp, jo, Magnus_Lonnroth, abel, Rob, +079320aadd, +1.630.414.aaee
14:04:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see rob, Andrew, Magnus, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, kemp, abel, matt, trackbot-ng
14:05:17 <jo> zakim, aaee is SeanPatterson
14:05:18 <Zakim> +SeanPatterson; got it
14:05:28 <jo> zakim, aadd is ROb
14:05:28 <Zakim> +ROb; got it
14:05:35 <jo> zakim, ROb is Rob
14:05:35 <Zakim> sorry, jo, I do not recognize a party named 'ROb'
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14:06:53 <jo> scribenick: rob
14:07:28 <jo> Topic: Problem Statement
14:07:39 <jo> zakim, who is here?
14:07:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see kemp, jo, Magnus_Lonnroth, abel, Rob, ROb, SeanPatterson
14:07:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see SeanPatterson, rob, Andrew, Magnus, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, kemp, abel, matt, trackbot-ng
14:08:28 <jo> zakim, Rob is really andrew
14:08:28 <Zakim> sorry, jo, I do not recognize a party named 'Rob'
14:08:53 <jo> Agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2007Sep/0001.html
14:09:40 <rob> jo: Jo posted new draft of problem statement Friday last week 
14:09:53 <rob> ... Any review comments?
14:10:01 <rob> Magnus: fine
14:10:22 <rob> ... ref HTTP spec things are copied verbatim from
14:10:55 <jo> -> New draft http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/editors-drafts/ProblemStatement/070907
14:12:20 <rob> jo: re-weaved section 1 substantially 
14:12:45 <rob> Andrew: on 1st sight looks easier to get into
14:14:00 <rob> jo: want to put this in front of BPWG (this draft) to show direction we're moving off in
14:14:08 <jo> ACTION: Jo to move terminology section to an appendix in Problem Statement Document
14:14:23 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-553 - Move terminology section to an appendix in Problem Statement Document [on Jo Rabin - due 2007-09-18].
14:15:05 <rob> Magnus: in section 2 can't find the 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 headlines - where are they?
14:15:13 <jo> -> Guidelines http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/editors-drafts/Guidelines/2007-08/CTGuidelines.html
14:15:54 <rob> jo: they are contents titles in the guidelines doc itself, not in the problem statement
14:16:21 <jo> -> TF HOme Page http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/CT/Overview.html
14:17:46 <Zakim> -SeanPatterson
14:18:26 <rob> jo: ed note requesting comments in techniques section - would the statement benefit from moving the techniques alongside the problem narrative?
14:18:41 <Zakim> +SeanPatterson
14:18:57 <rob> Andrew: agree would be better not to have a techniques section in the problem statement
14:19:34 <rob> Magnus: except to note the HTTP spec contains a lot of useful techniques that exist already
14:21:07 <rob> jo: eg Cache-Control: no-transform and Via:
14:21:22 <jo> ACTION: Magnus to draft a passage on possible use of existing HTTP headers with examples
14:21:22 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-554 - Draft a passage on possible use of existing HTTP headers with examples [on Magnus Lönnroth - due 2007-09-18].
14:22:28 <jo> ACTION: Jo to raise an issue on folding the second section into the first to make the document clearer
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14:22:39 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-555 - Raise an issue on folding the second section into the first to make the document clearer [on Jo Rabin - due 2007-09-18].
14:23:58 <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Current draft of problem statement  to be brought to BPWG as a work in progress
14:24:05 <kemp> +1
14:24:08 <rob> +1
14:24:14 <SeanPatterson> +1
14:24:17 <jo> RESOLUTION: Current draft of problem statement  to be brought to BPWG as a work in progress
14:25:28 <jo> -> Actions on Problem Statement http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/products/11
14:25:48 <rob> jo: briefly look at above to check open actions
14:26:21 <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-533 and ACTION-539
14:26:28 <jo> RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-533 and ACTION-539
14:26:48 <rob> Topic: Guidelines
14:27:27 <jo> -> Open Actions on Guidelines http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/products/12
14:27:28 <rob> jo: no changes to this doc yet
14:28:11 <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-534
14:28:16 <jo> RESOLUTION: Close ACTION-534
14:29:11 <rob> ... what is a reasonable time-frame for the open actions?
14:29:12 <Andrew> q+
14:29:20 <jo> ack and
14:30:41 <rob> ... hearing due date a bit before next meeting in 2weeks time
14:30:47 <rob> ... say 18th?
14:30:54 <Andrew> q-
14:31:26 <jo> ACTION: JO to amend due dates to 18th Sept on ACTION-540 etc.
14:31:41 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-556 - Amend due dates to 18th Sept on ACTION-540 etc. [on Jo Rabin - due 2007-09-18].
14:31:44 <rob> Topic: AOB
14:32:06 <rob> Andrew: aware no target date for quick-wins
14:32:24 <rob> ... keen to get some guidelines out sooner than later
14:33:32 <rob> jo: recalls "by end of year" from the F2F kick-off
14:33:44 <rob> ... but can't find it in charter
14:34:06 <rob> ... reasonable to have a last-call-for-comments draft by then
14:34:23 <rob> ... will raise issue for discussion on list
14:34:33 <jo> ACTION: Jo to raise an ISSUE on deliverable timeframes, and what the milestones are e.g. FPWD, Last Call etc.
14:34:43 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-557 - Raise an ISSUE on deliverable timeframes, and what the milestones are e.g. FPWD, Last Call etc. [on Jo Rabin - due 2007-09-18].
14:35:21 <Andrew> q+
14:35:28 <jo> ack and
14:35:35 <rob> all agreed "end-of-year" seems reasonable
14:36:15 <rob> Andrew: any pointers to recommended reading?
14:37:10 <rob> jo: would be good to have a list of references
14:37:56 <rob> Andrew: other W3C groups?
14:38:06 <jo> ACTION: Andrew to stimulate debate and collect references to existing techniques white papers etc. from commercial companies within W3C and so on
14:38:07 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-558 - Stimulate debate and collect references to existing techniques white papers etc. from commercial companies within W3C and so on [on Andrew Swainston - due 2007-09-18].
14:38:11 <rob> jo: UWG (Rhys)
14:38:20 <rob> ... amongst others
14:38:55 <jo> zakim, drop me
14:38:55 <Zakim> jo is being disconnected
14:38:56 <Zakim> -jo
14:38:56 <Zakim> -kemp
14:38:57 <Zakim> -ROb
14:38:58 <Zakim> -SeanPatterson
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14:39:03 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended
14:39:04 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.519.880.aaaa, kemp, jo, Magnus_Lonnroth, abel, +078997aabb, +079320aacc, SeanPatterson, Rob
14:39:18 <jo> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:39:18 <Zakim> apparently MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended, jo
14:39:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see Andrew, SeanPatterson, rob, Zakim, RRSAgent, jo, kemp, abel, matt, trackbot-ng
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14:39:29 <jo> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:39:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-bpwg-minutes.html jo
14:41:00 <jo> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:41:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-bpwg-minutes.html jo
14:42:40 <jo> Present: Jo, Rob, Magnus, Andrew,  Abel, SeanP, Aaron
14:42:47 <jo> Regrets: Rhys
14:42:55 <jo> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:42:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-bpwg-minutes.html jo
14:43:41 <jo> rrsagent, make logs public
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14:54:59 <jo> rrsagent, bye
14:54:59 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-bpwg-actions.rdf :
14:54:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jo to move terminology section to an appendix in Problem Statement Document [1]
14:54:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-bpwg-irc#T14-14-08
14:54:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Magnus to draft a passage on possible use of existing HTTP headers with examples [2]
14:54:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-bpwg-irc#T14-21-22
14:54:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jo to raise an issue on folding the second section into the first to make the document clearer [3]
14:54:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-bpwg-irc#T14-22-28
14:54:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JO to amend due dates to 18th Sept on ACTION-540 etc. [4]
14:54:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-bpwg-irc#T14-31-26
14:54:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jo to raise an ISSUE on deliverable timeframes, and what the milestones are e.g. FPWD, Last Call etc. [5]
14:54:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-bpwg-irc#T14-34-33
14:54:59 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Andrew to stimulate debate and collect references to existing techniques white papers etc. from commercial companies within W3C and so on [6]
14:54:59 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/11-bpwg-irc#T14-38-06