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15:03:00 <ericP> Zakim, this is BioRDF
15:03:11 <Zakim> ok, ericP; that matches SW_HCLS(BioRDF)11:00AM
15:03:28 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
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15:04:57 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
15:04:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see susie, Don_Doherty, [Microsoft], ??P15, Kei_Cheung, Jonathan_Rees, EricP
15:05:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, matthiassamwald, eneumann, Don, Susie, jar286, ericP
15:05:08 <ericP> Zakim, mute ericP 
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15:05:54 <jar286> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Tasks/URI_Best_Practices/Recommendations/MeaningOfaTerm
15:07:35 <Don> [JR] HCLS URI Recommendations - What story to we give about LSID?
15:08:08 <Don> [SS] My understanding was that we wouldn't explicitly discuss LSIDs in doc.
15:08:42 <Don> [SS] Why does JR feel it's essential to mention LSIDs?
15:08:55 <Don> [JR] People are using LSIDs.
15:09:36 <Zakim> +Eric_Neumann
15:09:45 <Don> [JR] Why is HCLS ignoring work taken place four years ago? We should consider the good work people did on LSIDs.
15:11:31 <Don> [JR] Some problems were solved by LSID folks. We can mention those without pushing LSIDs.
15:12:21 <Don> [EP] We shouldn't provide multiple possiblities. We should just recommend one.
15:13:04 <Don> [SS] Learn from LSIDs but don't explicitly mention them.
15:13:21 <Zakim> + +1.514.683.aaaa
15:13:33 <Don> [JR] We should form a group or task force to drill into these issues in more detail.
15:14:18 <Don> [JR] Maybe a reinvention of LSID solutions within the HTTP space.
15:14:41 <Susie> http://www.w3.org/2007/06/HCLSForm
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15:15:20 <eneumann> q+
15:16:41 <Don> [SS] How is the URI document coming along?
15:16:59 <Don> [JR] I have a revised work plan.
15:17:00 <jar286> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Tasks/URI_Best_Practices/Work_Plan
15:18:47 <Don> [SS] Jonathan is looking for feedback on the document he sent out yesterday.
15:19:15 <Don> [SS] Feedback will enable Jonathan to move forward on the work plan (URL above)
15:19:51 <Don> [AR] It might be worth spliting out the producer and client sides.
15:20:50 <Don> [AR] Client and producer expectations need to match. These are first impressions on document Jonathan sent out.
15:24:08 <eneumann> q?
15:24:47 <Don> [SS] Once we've agreed on the technical part we can go to vendors, etc.
15:25:33 <Don> [EN] If we go back to the original HCLS document, we are the bridge between technical and social.
15:26:05 <Don> [EN] We need to figure out what are the social constraints.
15:26:34 <jar286> TDWG just became LSID committed.... that's a biggy
15:26:34 <Don> [EN] Has anyone been monitoring growth and content of LSID sites versus HTTP?
15:27:12 <Don> [EN] What is the best way for people to quickly adopt a connectible model?
15:27:32 <Don> [EN] Some orgs adopted LSID internally.
15:27:53 <Don> [AR] Good idea. And we need to know what they're doing with LSIDs.
15:28:50 <Don> [AR] How they're doing it, what their use cases are, etc.
15:29:25 <jar286> lsids are uris
15:29:26 <Don> [AR] Uniprot is  using URIs.
15:30:21 <Don> [SS] The next version of Uniprot will be available in RDF.
15:30:22 <eneumann> I do think Rolf A is using Eric Jain's model
15:30:27 <jar286> you mean http uris.  (lsids are uris too.)
15:31:52 <matthiassamwald> beta.uniprot.org makes all datasets available as RDF which uses the PURLs.
15:32:09 <Don> Thank you Mathias
15:32:50 <jar286> What exactly is meant by 'a PURL'?  something served by PURL software? something hosted by OCLC? ...
15:33:23 <Don> [JR] The URI draft is only covering a part of the issue so far.
15:33:41 <matthiassamwald> Sorry, I was unclear: it uses the http://purl.uniprot.org/ namespace.
15:34:00 <matthiassamwald> That's all.
15:34:22 <Don> [JR] If we're going to use shared names, then some organization will need to 
15:34:56 <Don> [JR] post names or provide standard names.
15:35:44 <Don> [EP] Recommend that URIs should have the following characteristics.
15:36:58 <Don> [EP] Get the requirements out first. Then how we figure out how
15:37:09 <Don> [EP] to meet the requirements.
15:40:44 <Don> [SS] Next week Jonathan will discuss the Wiki page.
15:40:56 <Don> [SS] Alan...updates on Demo?
15:41:19 <Don> [AR] Request about querying anatomy
15:41:33 <Don> [AR] Updated Demo page with sample query.
15:41:58 <Don> [AR] Jonathan put RDF mostly in one place
15:45:45 <jar286> Don's 11:33 remark should be a reference to "Meaning of a Term", not to a "URI draft"
15:46:12 <jar286> "Meaning of a Term" talks only about the client perspective, not minting or publishing
15:46:32 <jar286> or URIs for public database records
15:48:15 <Don> [SS] Semantic Web students are creating ontologies.
15:48:33 <Don> [SS] Experimental design and clinical trial ontologies.
15:51:12 <Don> [AR] Is the intention that one will be able to reproduce the conversion in code?
15:51:53 <Don> [MS] Should enable people to do same with their own DB
15:52:36 <Don> [AR] Working code is more valuable than discussion.
15:56:41 <Zakim> -Eric_Neumann
15:58:45 <Don> Neurosciences meeting is November 3 through November 7 in San Diego, CA
15:58:57 <Don> www.sfn.org
15:59:49 <ericP> Neurosciences meeting overlaps with W3C Technical Plenary November 5 to 10
16:01:13 <Don> Eric N...what is the command to save notes?
16:02:13 <eneumann> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:02:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/10-BioRDF-minutes.html eneumann
16:02:23 <Don> Thank you!
16:02:30 <eneumann> No problem.
16:04:08 <Don> [SS] I'm thinking that the Face-2-Face is at the tech plenary.
16:07:36 <Zakim> -Kei_Cheung
16:07:37 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:07:37 <Zakim> -EricP
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