IRC log of swd on 2007-09-04

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14:51:27 [TomB]

rrsagent, bookmark

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See http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T14-51-27

14:51:33 [TomB]

zakim, this will be swd

14:51:33 [Zakim]

ok, TomB; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes

14:52:03 [mhausenblas]

Meeting: Semantic Web Deployment Working Group - Telecon 2007-09-04, 15:00 UTC

14:52:10 [mhausenblas]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0003.html

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas

14:52:36 [mhausenblas]

-> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes previous 2007-08-28

14:52:44 [mhausenblas]

regrets+ Vit_Novacek

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regrets+ Clay_Redding

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Chair: Tom

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scribenick: mhausenblas

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas

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14:54:08 [TomB]

regrets+ Quentin, Simone

14:57:48 [TomB]

regrets+ Daniel, Sean, Vit, Quentin, Simone

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regrets+ Sean

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SW_SWD()11:00AM has now started

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+Michael_Hausenblas

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+??P15

14:59:04 [TomB]

zakim, ??P15 is TomB

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+TomB; got it

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+Ralph

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+[LC]

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zakim, LC is edsu

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sorry, ed, I do not recognize a party named 'LC'

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+Rodrigo

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Zakim, Rodrigo is me

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+berrueta; got it

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas

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+Antoine

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+??P35

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zakim, ??p35 is Alistair

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+Alistair; got it

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+Elisa_Kendall

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+Guus

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+Jon_Phipps

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Topic: ADMIN

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PROPOSED to accept minutes of -> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html 2007-08-28

15:05:33 [JonP]

zakim, Jon_Phipps is me

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+JonP; got it

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Tom: There was a minor issue, though

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second

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RESOLUTION: accepted minutes of 28 Aug 2007

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upcoming telecon: 11 Sep

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face-to-face meeting - Amsterdam - October 8-9 2007

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-> http://www.few.vu.nl/~aisaac/swd/ Logistics

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regrets for 17 Sep [dinner in House of Lords :-)]

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regrets from me for 11 Sep telecon

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda draft agenda

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-> ttp://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39408/swd-ftf-adam-registration/ registration

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s/ttp://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39408/swd-ftf-adam-registration/http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/39408/swd-ftf-adam-registration/

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ACTION: Guus to update the f2f agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html#action07]

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-- continues

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas

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Topic: SKOS

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#SKOS

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Tom: New issue "Drawing the pictures" - see Sean's posting

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Aug/0016.html post

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Tom: Any volunteers?

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... not a major issue; postpone

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ISSUE 35: ConceptSchemeContainment (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/36)

15:10:55 [TomB]

Guus proposes that we not discuss "drawing the picture" at the F2F unless we have a document to discuss.

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Guus: Discussed with Sean

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... encourage people to use owl:import

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... enables to make statements on multiple documents

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... merge graphs

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ACTION: Guus to email a proposal to the list about the issue of containment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/24-swd-minutes.html#action01]

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-- continues

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Guus: Will prepare this for F2F

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Issue-26: RelationshipsBetweenLabels (http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/26)

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ACTION: Guus to move ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04]

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-- continues

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Guus: Will be finished within next two weeks

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ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05]

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-- continues

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ACTION: Alistair to state the difference between the two flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal for issue 26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action05]

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-- continues

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ISSUE-31 BasicLexicalLabelSemantics proposed resolution

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see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0170.html

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Tom: Alistair, is it a good place at the agenda for the F2F

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Tom: Should we copy in the proposed solution?

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ACTION: Tom to paste proposed solution to ISSUE-31 into F2F agenda

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ISSUE-38 CompatibilityWithOWL-DL

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[sorry, i get called away for a few minutes]

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OWL Full tag http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jul/0124.html

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XXX: Compatibility with OWL-DL

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... issue; new OWL 1.1 WG in the pipeline

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... might be resolved within this new OWL version

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s/XXX/Alistair

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas

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Elisa: We've been following the OWL 1.1 development

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... Sean may have a better idea about the timeline

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Tom: Drop it for F2F

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Topic: RDFa

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa RDFa Overview document

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ACTION: Ben to bring up the HTML WG review of RDFa syntax with Steven [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html#action01]

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-- done

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-> http://www.w3.org/2007/08/30-rdfa-minutes.html#item03 XHTML2 WG review

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Ralph: Ben reminded Steven P. on the process

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... Shane and Marc take care for the Syntax doc

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s/Marc/Mark

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa

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Schedule is out of sync!

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Tom: I find it confusing looking at the Wiki page wrt F2F

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Michael: Syntay - mean http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-rdfa-syntax-20070830/ ?

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s/Syntay/Syntax

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Overview available at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts

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Tom: No preferences where to keep it updated

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Michael: Looking at http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#RDFa

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Tom: RDFa issues at F2F are Syntax doc and get buy-in from rest of WG on final design

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... should prepare a snapshot around 24 Sep

15:31:34 [RalphS]

ACTION: Ralph update RDFa agendum for Amsterdam f2f after discussion with RDFa TF

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Topic: RECIPES

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see http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#Recipes

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ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09]

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-- continues

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ACTION: Diego to prepare a f2f agenda topic for recipes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html#action08]

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-- done

15:32:21 [berrueta]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0004.html

15:32:29 [RalphS]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0004.html Diego's f2f Recipes agendum

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Diego: Had a discussion with Jon just before the telecon

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... can I commit the agenda to the Wiki?

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[sorry for my absence, I' back]

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Tom: Would be helpful for each discussion item to have a reading list

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Topic: VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT

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-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#VocabularyMgt

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Elisa: Peter (?) might shed some light on this and I see synergies

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... agenda is capable of holding this?

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ACTION: Vit to prepare WG agenda for VM by 11 September [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html#action10]

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-- done

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Aug/0037.html

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ACTION: Elisa to ask for feedback on VM draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-swd-minutes.html#action06]

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-- continues

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas

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Tom: Can someone take an action to update the Wiki?

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ACTION: Elisa to update the VocabMgt agenda in the F2F

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Tom: TAG and ZZZ reviewed the voc management doc

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... my question is regarding the scope

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Elisa: Talking about URI # vs. / issues

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... beyond that it does not talk about other things

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Tom: Should point from the SWD page to it

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Tom: AOB?

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Tom: Guus, anything about arrangements at F2F?

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... dinner for those who arrive Sun night

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Guus: Propose to start at 9:00 CET

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... end Tue on 17:00 CET

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-> http://www.few.vu.nl/~aisaac/swd/hotels.php list of Amsterdam hotels

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s/at 9:00 CET/on Mon at 9:00 CET

15:46:19 [RalphS]

Guus: allow 15-20 mins from the University to Schiphol airport

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Guus: Back to SKOS

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... regarding owl:import

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... in SPARQL you can use multiple graphs

15:48:40 [TomB]

http://www2005.org/cdrom/docs/p613.pdf

15:49:03 [mhausenblas]

Guus: My question to Alistair would be

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... if we can handle it without making SKOS dependent on OWL

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Alistair: Using named graph

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... and give guidiance

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s/guidiance/guidance

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... we should make the most of what is in SPARQL

15:50:50 [Elisa]

there may be some related insights for provenance, etc. in the proof markup language (pml) - see http://www.ksl.stanford.edu/KSL_Abstracts/KSL-04-01.html

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... not for using owl:import

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Guus: I'm going to write up the proposal

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Antoine: Objection against owl:import

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Guus: One solution would be to defined ConceptScheme as a subclass of XXX

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Tom: Thanks everyone

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-Elisa_Kendall

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-Alistair

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-Ed?

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-Antoine

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-JonP

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-Ralph

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-Michael_Hausenblas

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-berrueta

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-Guus

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s/XXX/owl:Ontology

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html mhausenblas

15:55:27 [mhausenblas]

RRSAgent, list participants

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I'm logging. I don't understand 'list participants ', mhausenblas. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:55:30 [TomB]

rrsagent, list attendees

15:55:30 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', TomB. Try /msg RRSAgent help

15:55:42 [TomB]

zakim, list attendees

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As of this point the attendees have been Michael_Hausenblas, TomB, Ralph, Ed?, berrueta, Antoine, Alistair, Elisa_Kendall, Guus, JonP

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rrsagent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-minutes.html TomB

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-TomB

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SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Michael_Hausenblas, TomB, Ralph, Ed?, berrueta, Antoine, Alistair, Elisa_Kendall, Guus, JonP

15:56:58 [mhausenblas]

zakim, list attendees

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sorry, mhausenblas, I don't know what conference this is

15:58:40 [RalphS]

zakim, bye

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Guus to update the f2f agenda [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html#action07] [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-07-59

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Guus to email a proposal to the list about the issue of containment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/24-swd-minutes.html#action01] [2]

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-13-09

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Guus to move ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action04] [3]

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-14-03

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/03-swd-minutes.html#action05] [4]

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-14-26

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Alistair to state the difference between the two flavours of the SimpleExtension proposal for issue 26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/07/17-swd-minutes.html#action05] [5]

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-14-39

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Tom to paste proposed solution to ISSUE-31 into F2F agenda [6]

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-17-01

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Ben to bring up the HTML WG review of RDFa syntax with Steven [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html#action01] [7]

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-21-36

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ACTION: Ralph update RDFa agendum for Amsterdam f2f after discussion with RDFa TF [8]

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-31-34

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to Recipe issue 1.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/24-swd-minutes.html#action09] [9]

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-32-00

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Diego to prepare a f2f agenda topic for recipes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html#action08] [10]

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-32-10

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ACTION: Vit to prepare WG agenda for VM by 11 September [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/28-swd-minutes.html#action10] [11]

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-37-05

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ACTION: Elisa to ask for feedback on VM draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/08/21-swd-minutes.html#action06] [12]

15:58:44 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-37-26

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ACTION: Elisa to update the VocabMgt agenda in the F2F [13]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/04-swd-irc#T15-38-43